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he's also Mongul in Warworld apparently, not seen that yet).
I like you. Don't come to school tomorrow watch Warworld.

Admittedly it may have caught me in something of an off mood but really I think it may be one of the worst animated DC movies I have seen. Ponderous and predictable as fuck, the first descriptions that come to mind. The one and only positive I found with it was Lobo (mildest of spoilers, but being mindful).

And I like Mongol. Young Justice did him and War World far better.
 
I like you. Don't come to school tomorrow watch Warworld.

Admittedly it may have caught me in something of an off mood but really I think it may be one of the worst animated DC movies I have seen. Ponderous and predictable as fuck, the first descriptions that come to mind. The one and only positive I found with it was Lobo (mildest of spoilers, but being mindful).

And I like Mongol. Young Justice did him and War World far better.
Appreciate the warning and spoiler avoidance.
That's a sad sign. While they've had some rough ones an actual stinker of an animated movie was a rarity for DC. I will likely still watch it out of personal acceptance of suffering but your warning has slid it below Disney's various recent offerings.

For what he is Mongol is often used surprisingly well. I'd argue he has elements of Mojo from Marvel. While unquestionably more dangerous he has that same element of casual dickery that allows him to be used for very odd scenarios. Sometimes you just need a villain who will kidnap people and shove them into death matches.
 
@Basic Blond Boy Says doesn't agree with me. Writes post I agree with!

You just violated the commutative law of posting! :)
I think the one thing I would say now is that I am not sure kids even care for Superman. The thing is, he can get an audience, but every version past super basic ones like JL Action are so dour as they try to parrot Injustice. Nowadays, you see people hold up Homelander and Omni-Man as we get an infinite stream of evil Supermen. Supes really needs better writing that isn't the usual subversive shit comic writers pull, which leads to the audience you described above. It is sad that JL and STAS were able to pull off a more complex Superman years ago, yet few can match it. I think Captain America has basically become the new Superman as he follows much of the same JL arc.

I also just give more credit to Batman, I think he held up way better than any of the cynical edgy heroes and definitly has more staying power to me than really any of Marvel or even the rest of DC. I put Superman and Batman on par with each other and say only Teen Titans has really matched them in terms of writing going into adulthood.
 
The Flash is a 4/10 movie, not awful but far cry from good. The main issue is Ezra Miller, putting aside all his bullshit outside the movie, he is just miscast in the role, he wasn't good in Justice League (the time travel scene is great but that is not due to him), and now he has a full movie as the star and co-star. With pretty much the same script but with a different lead actor who has a natural charm but is also able to pull off the nerdish awareness being asked it would be a far greater movie.

The CGI isn't good, but in some parts, I do think the director was telling the truth that it was a style he was going for, but that doesn't change the fact it looks like shit.

Ben Affleck seemed checked out, the way he delivered that infamous using money to end the crime line makes me feel like he was doing the worst take he could in order to hope they don't use it. However, his bike chase was a very good action scene and one of the highlights of the movie.

Micheal Kenton is good with what he is given and does tie down the core theme in the movie but outside nostalgia bucks no reason for this version of Batman as outside him and the old theme, nothing there to tie back to the past movies even in terms of visuals. In terms of his death, it was needed to tell the story they wanted in the Flash, just they don't have a good arc for him in the movie and ends up feeling like a marketing cash grab.

The CGI cameos, look bad and felt very shallow, I understand the want and need for them in a multiverse movie but could have been done better. May have been better by using Elseworlds comics as the basis, rather than using dead celebrities.

The core of the movie is him bringing back his mother from the dead, yet after he meets that goal very little time is spent with his reformed family, thus the emotional core in the final act isn't nearly as impactful as the movie would hope.

The actress who played Supergirl did a good job, not much to her character but wasn't much to Flashpoint Superman as well.

The action is mostly fine, never awful but hard not to compare it to Man of Steel with the Zod fight scenes, and it falls far short of what Zack Snyder was able to do.
 
I hate this opinion because Batman and Superman are both, it is what makes them unique. There are many no-power/low power heroes, but the reason Batman is so famous is because they put him through internal conflicts more often than not. The Riddler is a battle of the mind, Scarecrow is all about making Bruce come to terms with his fears, and Joker has increasingly been targeting Batman in ways to break his mental state. The villains typically say something about Bruce as a person, showing how broken he is, but also why he is above them.
they are both because a) there's an exception to every rule and b) you still need both.
take the hulk for example, he still has his internal jekyll/hyde conflict, just with more demolition involved. without that he would just be a green wrecking ball of low intellect.

scarecrow/riddler/joker playing mindgames with batman is still an external conflict, remove those and the conflict is gonna with it. and not every conflict is physical, sherlock holmes having a battle of wits with moriaty is still an external conflict - otherwise holmes would just chill, play violin and probably give himself a golden shot simply to escape the sheer boredom. however superman sitting in the fortress of solitude pondering the meaning of his humanity isn't something you can just remove or is caused by an adversarial force. that doesn't mean supes can't smash shit occasionally if need be, but the power is part of the inner conflict too - all that power and how to use it?

Little kids like Superman - bright colours, cool powers, good and heroic. Older kids and those adults who still read comics mostly no longer believe in purity, altruism, unironic heroism. I'm not sure anybody surrounded by funkopops can. So they like Batman. Batman is broody, edgy, driven by motivations that they aren't embarrassed by (revenge, trauma). Batman is "cool".
eh, dunno. teens are edgy because they're teens. kids are more "pure" and naive, superman potentially leveling cities trading blows is great action for them, adults having more life experience would see the toll of human lives and damage etc.
I'd say people go with batman first because he's simply easier "to get" and his fight is usually "some of gotham's rogue gallery is up to no good and needs to be stopped". for superman that wouldn't really work, what he has to deal with and how he does it scratches another itch. I wouldn't call it immature, just people having different tastes and one is more mainstream (and it doesn't mean someone can't like both for different reasons and that they're different in the first place). or in another example, people rather watch the hulk smash stuff than bruce banner/hulk have a philosophical discussion about split personality and the dominance of either..

as for the mentally stunted adults, keep in mind those are the same people who just emancipated the punisher - if it was about living out their revenge fantasies they could've just made him punch some nazis and exchange the skull for an antifa logo (but then he'd still be a cis white male, so...).
the eyebrow raising part is rather that they started glorifying villains for some weird reason, either because it's one of their pet genders/races/minorities or some weird cognitive dissonance where only the bad guy is allowed to do bad things - or anything at all - which on some level makes him the "good" one in terms of interesting for actually doing something... a neutered hero that doesn't do anything heroic because he isn't allowed to or doesn't fit their retarded notion of the world is simply boring, and even they know that subconsciously. it's the same reason their writing is so awful and schizo, they can't have the "good" guy do bad thing because he's "good", but the villain can't be too "bad" because it could trigger someone and depending on the hero would be sexist/racist/whatever. and every hero is only as good as the villain (or the struggle he has to overcome, but modern heroes have no struggle since they're already perfect).

I'll say this. Whilst the writing for Superman in various media has often been questionable, the casting has been exemplery. Tom Welling, Brandon Routh, Henry Cavill... they're all superbly qualified for the role in both looks, charm and empathy. Routh and Cavill were both cheated out of what they deserved honestly. At least Tom Welling got a really good run as Superman.
people doing dean cain dirty as usual... at least he got prime teri hatcher as lois.
 
that reminds me of an opinion I read ages ago that batman's conflict is external, while superman's in internal.
you can put supes against a cosmic enemy, but at that point all reference of scale goes out the windows. a few pages back there was the discussion why batman is "more popular" or at least used more often, and it's simply that he's more understandable in who he is, what he does and his personal struggles. and the power isn't so off charts it can easily comes across silly or needs retarded plot devices to depower superman - batman after all is just swole inspector gadget with a gimpsuit.

however lot people don't wanna watch supes come to terms on who he is and what he can('t) do, but some dude in spandex fucking shit up, so you have more or less 2 camps you need to try to satisfy. man of steel tried but was a bit too serious about it (and later attempts at course correction either didn't work or were sabotaged on different levels). you need better writers for superman "to get it right", writing for batman and most other heroes is much easier, and writing is what especially turned to shit the last decade.

tbh I'm still wondering why they didn't do an injustice movie, maybe because you can't build a cinematic universe around it, but it would have enough action and shit going on, while giving supes and some others enough character for the normalfag audience at least understand it.
I immensely disagree, there is absolutely nothing complicated about writing a fun Superman story where he gets to be smart, kick ass and save the day. He debuted in something called Action Comics for crying out loud, Superman's adventures should be all about high-octane action and big stakes. I have no idea where this meme started or how but it's always been retarded.
 
I immensely disagree, there is absolutely nothing complicated about writing a fun Superman story where he gets to be smart, kick ass and save the day. He debuted in something called Action Comics for crying out loud, Superman's adventures should be all about high-octane action and big stakes. I have no idea where this meme started or how but it's always been retarded.
All-Star Superman most likely.
 
I enjoyed parts of All-Star Superman but it absolutely should not be used as a guideline for how every single Superman must be structured.
My favourite Superman story has very odd structure. It's a told mostly from Lex's and The Question's point of view, with Superman largely observed from outside. It's weirdly mystical / illuminati-ish / esoteric . Wish I could remember the name of it and searching "superman the question comic" doesn't exactly help.

It's also quite good at showing how you might threaten the man of steel and exploit weaknesses he doesn't even know he had. Lois is great in it as well including a little bit at the end between Question and Clark which I wont spoil.

If anybody knows the comic, let me know!
 
Nope but Lex Luthor: Man of Steel is similar and IMHO the correct way to do a grimdark Superman comic (make it about Lex's insatiable ambition vs Superman's impossible standard).
 
Nope but Lex Luthor: Man of Steel is similar and IMHO the correct way to do a grimdark Superman comic (make it about Lex's insatiable ambition vs Superman's impossible standard).
Yes, Lex Luthor: Man of Steel is similar in some respects and very good. It wasn't that, though. Also, Lex Luthor: Man of Steel is definitely not "grimdark". Grimdark is like WH40K setting - everything over the top crushing darkness. In the grim darkness of the 41st Millenium there is only war is where it started. Grimdark describes settings like that. A few deaths and a nefarious plot don't make something grimdark. Especially as Luthor fails.
 
Yes, Lex Luthor: Man of Steel is similar in some respects and very good. It wasn't that, though. Also, Lex Luthor: Man of Steel is definitely not "grimdark". Grimdark is like WH40K setting - everything over the top crushing darkness. In the grim darkness of the 41st Millenium there is only war is where it started. Grimdark describes settings like that. A few deaths and a nefarious plot don't make something grimdark. Especially as Luthor fails.
WH40K isn't that grimdark TBH. It's edgy, yes, but it's so in a very satirical way. I mean this is the same franchise that has an entire race of cockney-accented space orcs that can literally make guns work by just believing it really, really hard.
 
WH40K isn't that grimdark TBH. It's edgy, yes, but it's so in a very satirical way. I mean this is the same franchise that has an entire race of cockney-accented space orcs that can literally make guns work by just believing it really, really hard.
I've actually seen a lot edgier quite honestly
 
WH40K isn't that grimdark TBH. It's edgy, yes, but it's so in a very satirical way.
Grimdark is a satirical term. I mean say the words out loud - it's not just dark it's grimdark! Who in their right mind uses it as a serious term of discussion? "Oppenheimer is a complex film dealing with the Grimdark subject matter of the development of atomic weapons. In considering the Grimdark consequences of..." Just no - it was always tongue in cheek. And I am well aware of the cockney orks - I had the original Rogue Trader book when they printed it back in 1987 and the White Dwarf issues where WH40K articles appeared. WH40K is the definition of grimdark because WH40K introduced the term. It was a setting where there was nothing but war and everything was over the top in its grimness. Mankind was Catholic Space Nazis who spent their time hunting down people with birth defects whilst slowly losing the last remnants of technology beset by space orks and unutterably cruel elven space pirates worshipping a corpse on a throne that was fed hundreds of thousands of lives daily to power a space lighthouse. It was British satire in the mould of 2000AD and when the term "grimdark" was coined it was coined exactly to represent the over the top everything-more-awful-than-everything-else type of setting of WH40K. That's what it means.
 
Grimdark is a satirical term. I mean say the words out loud - it's not just dark it's grimdark! Who in their right mind uses it as a serious term of discussion? "Oppenheimer is a complex film dealing with the Grimdark subject matter of the development of atomic weapons. In considering the Grimdark consequences of..." Just no - it was always tongue in cheek. And I am well aware of the cockney orks - I had the original Rogue Trader book when they printed it back in 1987 and the White Dwarf issues where WH40K articles appeared. WH40K is the definition of grimdark because WH40K introduced the term. It was a setting where there was nothing but war and everything was over the top in its grimness. Mankind was Catholic Space Nazis who spent their time hunting down people with birth defects whilst slowly losing the last remnants of technology beset by space orks and unutterably cruel elven space pirates worshipping a corpse on a throne that was fed hundreds of thousands of lives daily to power a space lighthouse. It was British satire in the mould of 2000AD and when the term "grimdark" was coined it was coined exactly to represent the over the top everything-more-awful-than-everything-else type of setting of WH40K. That's what it means.
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I'd take 98% of the MCU over either version of Justice League.

The first arc in the Justice League cartoon (which combined is like not even 80 minutes long) manages to better set up a story and introduce the cast than Snyder's bloated mess.
 
Eh, it's very divisively opinionated & more deserving of it's position than any MCU movie that isn't Iron Man so I don't see how it's bad.
The MCU and the DCU or whatever it’s called are not the only superhero movies that exist. And Justice League wouldn’t crack top ten regardless.
 
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