DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

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ArthuriusMartyrius said:
I LOLed at Snyder changing Superman dodging Steppenwolf trying to punch him to Superman dodging Steppenwolf trying to open hand strike him, something that makes no fucking sense and looks awkward as hell.
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I thought that Matrix-dodge was so lame and generic in the theatrical cut that it had to be Whedon's footage. Shades of Luke doing bullet time in TLJ. It's better in the original Snyder context. They charge at each other, seemingly building up to a standard superhero shockwave-clash (as seen in Man of Steel and pretty much everything else), only for Superman to casually move aside when Steppy tries to grab him (the same way Doomsday grabbed him in BvS). Superman is actually trying to avoid attacking him, and only hits him when he winds up for a punch. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, Zack Snyder is humanity's greatest living genius and Joss Whedon is always wrong.

Honestly think the Whedon cut has some bits that would have been pretty good in a different movie. Even though he's a fedora-tipping sex pest douchebag who used to be overrated until everybody decided they hate him, he's better at MCU dialog than any of the MCU's other scriptwriters. But nobody could have recut Snyder's footage into an MCU-type movie, it was a dumb idea that was never going to work. I bet he delivered exactly what his paymasters were asking for. If I were capable of pitying Joss Whedon I'd feel bad that he got stuck holding that grenade.

xXx: State of the Union said:
And I agree that they should just started with a Justice League movie. People really act like everyone needs a big origin story film but like jesus christ how hard is it to just grasp each characters personality and powers and enjoy the story being told? How many people don't fucking know Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and have at least a general knowledge of Green Lantern, Flash and Aquaman?
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The actual reason for introducing the Avengers with individual movies was so that audiences wouldn't reject a movie about a norse god teaming up with a guy in a robot suit etc out of hand for being obviously stupid. From Spider-Man until circa 2010 or so superhero movies assumed that audiences might be skeptical of them or unable to take them seriously and tried to downplay their comic bookness at least a little bit.

Nobody cares anymore, studios put out films about autistic fanfic ideas like different versions of Spider-Man meeting each other and hanging out with a wizard or whatever and everybody just rolls with it. It's certainly not that hard to understand the important parts of a superhero movie. "Hmm, why is this Martian Manhunter guy green, I wonder where he could be from?"
 
Uranus Pink said:
FUCK NO!!!! and not when it have been done repeatedly in cinema history when all the movie needs at most is a few minutes for each character of the group. Yet for super hero movies the studios are compelled to cover everything from conception, childhood to wherever the actual story supposed to take place.
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so where were the hawkeye and black widow movie when they showed up in avengers? and no, iron man 2 wasn't an origin movie.

normies don't give a shit about side characters, so they don't get movies. but you also can't just dump an ensemble cast with no introduction unless it's something relatable like oceans 11 normies can immediately grasp.
it's also funny as fuck to think super heroes weren't considered icky nerd shit outside the big few where they conveniently ignored that - and again, some dude in a power suit and a norse god are hardly on the level of batman/superman/spiderman. maybe captain america, but that's mainly a burger thing.

you're forgetting that "cinematic universe" is also codeword for "release all kinds of shit people are gonna watch due to brand", that's why studios are all in on that because they know they can make dosh via quantity, not quality.

Scarlett Johansson said:
How they haven't recast Wonder Woman is beyond me.
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same. can't wait for wonder transwoman, it's current year after all.
 
Uranus Pink said:
Those superheros everyone knows, it is Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Hawkman and the other secondary, tertiary and etc. characters whom people start asking who are they.
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People know Green Lantern, it’s just not Hal Jordan Green Lantern. I think a big hurdle for that terrible Ryan Reynolds movie was that people associated GL with Stewart outside of comics. JL was a massive success in its time and many knew him and Martian Manhunter off of it.

xXx: State of the Union said:
Cyborg is the one character you can make the argument people knew little to nothing about, and even then they were able to make it so you "got it" in the film.
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Except Teen Titans was huge, so people knew Cyborg. Maybe they didn’t know his origin, but the character was still very popular.
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
How they haven't recast Wonder Woman is beyond me.
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Well they re-cast the writer/director officially, so I am pretty sure they recast the tits too. I think the only reason they haven't officially de-cast/re-cast is because there's no Wonder Woman movie getting made any time soon.

Edit - I got my threads mixed up, there's a lot of overlap with the HBO thread.
 
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Scarlett Johansson said:
How they haven't recast Wonder Woman is beyond me.
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We don't know the plans but they could still hopefully do so, or least demand she takes a lot of acting lessons.

But I doubt they will wait too long a new Wonder Woman movie, in all the press about Warner Discovery merger they labeled Wonder Woman, along with Superman and Batman as key ips.
 
Calandrino said:
I thought that Matrix-dodge was so lame and generic in the theatrical cut that it had to be Whedon's footage. Shades of Luke doing bullet time in TLJ. It's better in the original Snyder context. They charge at each other, seemingly building up to a standard superhero shockwave-clash (as seen in Man of Steel and pretty much everything else), only for Superman to casually move aside when Steppy tries to grab him (the same way Doomsday grabbed him in BvS). Superman is actually trying to avoid attacking him, and only hits him when he winds up for a punch. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, Zack Snyder is humanity's greatest living genius and Joss Whedon is always wrong.
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I don't really know what you are seeing differently since it's the exact same scene except Steppenwolf goes for a grab/open hand strike in Snyder's version instead of a punch and it, well, looks retarded. I'd wager it was Steppenwolf trying to punch Superman in the original, non-Whedon-League, non-Snyder-Cut version too but I've seen enough of Snyder's stuff to reasonably guess that he was petty enough to change it to something that looks like ass just so it would be different from Whedon.
 
This whole mad dash for cinematic universes is just another sign that Hollywood is creatively bankrupt. The entire industry is run by suits who have zero knowledge on film making but a lot of knowledge on maximizing profits. Rather than make art with the talent they have, they'd rather copy or poach the competition because they see them making money, like movies are just brands of soda or chips that they can mass-produce for dumb consumers.
.Basic Blonde Boy said:
People know Green Lantern, it’s just not Hal Jordan Green Lantern. I think a big hurdle for that terrible Ryan Reynolds movie was that people associated GL with Stewart outside of comics. JL was a massive success in its time and many knew him and Martian Manhunter off of it.
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That.........honestly surprises me. I'm right at the cutoff between zoomer and millennial and did sorta grow up on the JL cartoons, but I'm shocked anyone at any age can think of Green Lantern and not immediately associate it with Hal Jordan. To me he's as synonymous with the mantle as Bruce Wayne is to Batman.
It's the same with Barry Allen. My age group would've read comics that were mostly about Wally West and would probably know that he is the one in the JL cartoon, but I'd smack anyone who tried to insinuate the real Flash is anyone other than Barry.
Wally and Jon are fantastic characters who really came into their own and stepped out of their predecessor's shadows, but I'm honestly shocked there are people of any age group that would mistake them for "the real thing".
 
Uranus Pink said:
X-Men had the advantage of even normies had a basic knowledge and understanding of who were the main core of the X-Men group up to the Chris Claremont and Jim Lee mid 90ies era.
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X-Men also has the benefit of using an avatar, Wolverine, as the main driving force for the series. It focuses on his relationship with the other characters. I guarantee you an origin story about Cyclops, Jean Gray, Quicksilver, Blink, etc. would be either very boring or deviate greatly from the source material. Same goes with GotG.

Stanley Ipkiss said:
This whole mad dash for cinematic universes is just another sign that Hollywood is creatively bankrupt. The entire industry is run by suits who have zero knowledge on film making but a lot of knowledge on maximizing profits. Rather than make art with the talent they have, they'd rather copy or poach the competition because they see them making money, like movies are just brands of soda or chips that they can mass-produce for dumb consumers.
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True. Unfortunately, the movies do have to maximize profits because for some reason these films need very high results to merely break even. There was a time where a movie like The Godfather or Gone With the Wind, if you adjusted for inflation, would make as much money as a Marvel film or a Jurassic World film. Because of modern society, though, people have been conditioned to enjoy schlock, hence why alternatives are coming up and Hollywood lacks the original gravitas it previously had.
 
Stanley Ipkiss said:
That.........honestly surprises me. I'm right at the cutoff between zoomer and millennial and did sorta grow up on the JL cartoons, but I'm shocked anyone at any age can think of Green Lantern and not immediately associate it with Hal Jordan. To me he's as synonymous with the mantle as Bruce Wayne is to Batman.
It's the same with Barry Allen. My age group would've read comics that were mostly about Wally West and would probably know that he is the one in the JL cartoon, but I'd smack anyone who tried to insinuate the real Flash is anyone other than Barry.
Wally and Jon are fantastic characters who really came into their own and stepped out of their predecessor's shadows, but I'm honestly shocked there are people of any age group that would mistake them for "the real thing".
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Take it like this, the only mainstream adaptations of GL at the time were JL and Super Friends. For anyone that didn’t follow comics, like at all, seeing GL as black isn’t that weird.

You have to remember, the general audience has no clue who any of these characters really are past movies and shows, maybe video games. With Stewart being the most prominent GL outside of comics in 2011, obviously many got confused, especially parents who’s only exposure to him was watching the cartoon with their kid. Hal really only became mainstream after the film. Otherwise he was relegated to single episodes of JL or The Batman, or really old and shat on Hannah Barbara animation. After the film, he started appearing more between LEGO, the animated films, his own show, Injustice, etc..

Hell, Barry rarely showed up till the 2010s as well. The Flash show, LEGO, Young Justice, The New 52 films, Injustice, and more didn’t happen till at least 2011.

If you want to add more, barely anyone knew Jason Todd was the second Robin and assumed it was Tim all along thanks to BTAS.
 
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is desperately trying to cook the books on Black Adam so he can get into the new Gunn DC movie stable as a replacement for his starring in Fast and Furious movies. Black Adam 2: 2 Black 2 Furious looks like it will not be happening. It earned less than 400 million. It is a for-certain flop and box office bomb. What this should do is dispel any ideas that Dwayne Johnson is a real movie star. He's not even on the level of the modern day geriatric Stallone. He is going to have to beg to be in another tentpole (and he'll definitely make attempts at begging).
 
Commander X said:
Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is desperately trying to cook the books on Black Adam so he can get into the new Gunn DC movie stable as a replacement for his starring in Fast and Furious movies. Black Adam 2: 2 Black 2 Furious looks like it will not be happening. It earned less than 400 million. It is a for-certain flop and box office bomb. What this should do is dispel any ideas that Dwayne Johnson is a real movie star. He's not even on the level of the modern day geriatric Stallone. He is going to have to beg to be in another tentpole (and he'll definitely make attempts at begging).
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As much as I liked Black Adam (it's not perfect, but it was fun. Brosnan was perfect casting for Dr Fate), The Rock has honestly been a direct-to-video kind of film star. His only real success has been with The Mummy Returns (fuck me, that's coming up on 21 years old), Fast And The Furious and for the only non-sequel film he latched onto, Moana.
 
I don't understand why Black Adam got his own movie. Normies don't know who that character is. Even I barely do. He should have been introduced in a Shazam film. Only if that was successful should he have gotten a spinoff.
 
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anti SJW said:
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It's even worse with context lol.
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Those were just the first 3 pages. Here's the delivery.
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Also, ex-DeviantArt artist RJ Palmer being a faggy shill in the comments doesn't even surprise me anymore. He deserves his own thread for his shilling & redditor attitude alone since the last 3-4 years.

The worst thing about this is, there's an official DC manga, with Joker being a father to a Batman turned into an adolescent. It hasn't even gotten a stable fan translation since last year (let alone an official one), despite being great & funny to read.
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One Operation Joker - MangaDex

The dastardly Joker faces up against his archnemesis in a new way! He now has to take care of him as a baby? After Batman fell into a chemical vat turning him into a baby, Joker must now raise him to be Batman. What will happen next?!?
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Scarlett Johansson said:
How they haven't recast Wonder Woman is beyond me.
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How DC/WB continue to cast women with no asses beyond me. Wonder Woman wears a leotard. Wonder Woman needs a GREAT ASS like Linda Carter. Also, why even cast a Latina as a supergirl who has no ass? Latinos love big asses! They won't like boy Ass supergirl. Even the MCU do a good job at casting women with great asses.
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.Basic Blonde Boy said:
Except Teen Titans was huge, so people knew Cyborg. Maybe they didn’t know his origin, but the character was still very popular.
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How the hell DC continuously fails at cashing out on the Teen Titans cartoon is beyond me. Hell cashing in on teen titans go. How hard can it be to give fans a Raven and Starfire from the OG teen titans cartoon in mainstream DC comics? What DC did was make Cyberg the black guy in the Justice league and call it a day.
anti SJW said:
I'm done.
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DC and Marvel are like why don't American comics sell as well as Japanese manga in America?

RurkerHivemind said:
This is like this Nigger Butt Babies from Gay Niggers From Outer Space. But with none of the irony.
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The American comic book industry, of DC and marvel, are like a living parody of people joking about political correctness gone wrong back in the 90s. Demolition man was trying to warn us.
 
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Travoltron said:
I don't understand why Black Adam got his own movie. Normies don't know who that character is. Even I barely do. He should have been introduced in a Shazam film. Only if that was successful should he have gotten a spinoff.
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It's because it was The Rock's vanity project and attempt to set himself up as the main star of DC and declined cameos in Shazam films because he felt he was too good for that and wanted himself to be Superman's archenemy.
 
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