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Early 80s-ish
That is a hard negative as even anime in it's butchered American form was just started to be shown in U.S. TV syndication in the late 70ies-early 80ies. With Speed Racer, Astroboy, Battle of the Planets, Starblazers, Kimba the White Lion and a handful of movies. Again manga and American manga style comics like the Robotech comic adaptation got going in the mid 80ies. After Robotech, Voltron, Force Five, and numerous other individual anime series started being shown on U.S. TV.
 
Awwwww, just when I was starting to enjoy it!

(Total spoilers. I can't be arsed separating out what I want to say and nobody here is watching it anyway and it's so predictable spoilers don't really matter much... but you have been warned)
Joker's Daughter? Guess who her dad is! Joker? No. Harvey Dent. Harvey Dent is Joker's Daughter's dad. Only he didn't know because it was his split personality other half that sired her on Cassandra Cillian from the Librarians show.

Whenever I see the same actor in a role I am tempted to imagine that it's a shared universe. Like Carol Kane was in both Gotham and The Unbreakable Kimmie Shcmidt. So in my head Kimmie's landlady was Penguin's mum and I really wanted to see Penguin just leaving the apartment in the backround one time. And now it's happened again - Librarians / Gotham Knights cross over when?

Cassandra Cillian (I don't know the actresses's name and can't be bothered to look it up) was actually pretty good as Joker's Daughter's Mum. Not much to work with but nice to see them add an actress to the cast. Not wholly fair - a couple of them are decent. Just not many. And Harvey Dent is stunningly bad. We've been waiting (I say we - like anybody by me is watching this!) to see Harvey's evil side. Well Harvey's evil side is almost exactly like his good side except he grins. I'm being serious.

Stephanie Brown has discovered she's a lesbian after snogging Harper Rowe. Bruce Wayne's adopted son (no, he's not one of the Robins. So far as I know he's an original character created for this show) is hooking up with Joker's Daughter. And Robin has been grounded by her mum for being Batman's sidekick. Stephanie Brown's dad is the Cluemaster but the Cluemaster is actually a gameshow host, not a criminal. But... he has done a massive heel turn in the last couple of episodes and now has his villain arc laid out. We'll never get to see it because of the cancelling though. He's one of the handful of decent actors though so kind of a shame.

The villains of this season are of course The Court of Owls. Possibly the least intimidating criminal masterminds I have ever, ever seen. The villains in the Scooby Doo: Mystery Incorporated cartoon were more chilling. Yet again, I'm being serious. Also, that's a good show. You should watch it (and go in spoiler free, it's worth it). Where was I? Oh yes - the court of owls. They're after a magic rock which grants eternal life. The heroes gave it to them last week. Why? Well they slit Batman's adopted son's throat forcing one of them to reveal she had it in her pocket the whole time. Kind of lucky that bluff paid off. Also, it's funny how the "Knights" can beat up a room filled with a dozen hardened and armed gangsters but face them against a group of pampered rich people in owl masks and it's "oh no, we've been caught - we'd better leave and let them keep the rock.

Honestly though, I have come to weirdly enjoy the show. It's awful but also kind of entertaining in a madly simplistic way. And useful - did you know that Mischa Collin's acting can actually slow down time? I was changing a lightbulb on a ladder (I have high ceilings) with Gotham Knights on in the background. The ladder tipped and I was falling towards the fireplace which has a mock-marble mantlepiece. Could have hurt quite a lot but Misha Collins came on at just that moment and time slowed to a crawl like it always does when he tries to act. So I was like, moving, but really slow. So I was able to sort of twist around and put my hands out in front of me. Then it switched to some different cast and time went back to normal but I was able to land much better.

Thanks Mischa!

I hope this cancellation doesn't spoil any of the cast's careers because even though the show is a disaster I'm a nice person and want them to do well. Oddly especially the FtM trans character (both actor and character). Although I think she sets a terrible example for girls who might be encouraged to also have elective masectomies and mess up their body with hormones, she's actually by far the most likeable member of the cast and best actor of the mains as well. So I kind of wish you therapy, but also the best.

Anyway, that's Gotham Knights for you.

How could this possibly-

Never mind.
It is very, very much like Batwomen. Except with fewer hot women in it.
 
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Joker's Daughter? Guess who her dad is! Joker? No. Harvey Dent. Harvey Dent is Joker's Daughter's dad.
What the fuck? That almost sounds made up...
Why? Well they slit Batman's adopted son's throat forcing one of them to reveal she had it in her pocket the whole time. Kind of lucky that bluff paid off.
You're making this shit up are you? but then again modern writing is so retarded you are probably telling the truth, but I'm not gonna watch and find out.
Could have hurt quite a lot but Misha Collins came on at just that moment and time slowed to a crawl like it always does when he tries to act. So I was like, moving, but really slow. So I was able to sort of twist around and put my hands out in front of me.
Ok now I know you're making this shit up...
 
What the fuck? That almost sounds made up...

You're making this shit up are you? but then again modern writing is so retarded you are probably telling the truth, but I'm not gonna watch and find out.

Ok now I know you're making this shit up...
Fun fact: Gotham Knights season 1 is only 10 episodes long but Mischa Collin's acting makes it seem like 12. That's how he got the job - pay for a production run of 10 but get a 20% uplift for the cost of one salary. And tbh, I'm not actually sure they pay him. I think he just followed the other actors onto set one day.

EDIT: If I can find a good source to download the show in actual files rather than streaming, I might do a supercut of Misha Collin's acting. Normally I'm not so mean but according to posters above he's got a humiliation fetish so...
 
Some scenes have leaked from the Flash movie and they really made a great use of that $220million budget wow.




 
Some scenes have leaked from the Flash movie and they really made a great use of that $220million budget wow.


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I've spotted that on the /tv/ boards and I laughed so loud. This has to be a cutscene for a PS3/XB360 game, not a $220 million budget movie. I'm not surprised however, because studios would rather invest BlackRock money than care about effort. Nigga, even the Transformers movies looked better than this.
 
Reading through the spoilers on Twitter reveals that not only did WB include a "cameo" of the deceased Christopher Reeves but also one of (no relation) George Reeves. When you read up on circumstances of his death, it's on par with Disney having Peter Pan be the villain in the recent Chip 'n Dale movie.
 
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I've asked it before across the Farms and will again, but... did anyone expect DC to become such a tarnished brand a decade ago with Man of Steel dropping? Okay, maybe a dozen years ago with Green Lantern trying to kickstart a movie 'verse.

But seriously. DC has become the solid has-been or cheap copy of Marvel in pop culture when it comes to any superhero discourse unless it's about Batman. DC can't write anything not-Batman to save their lives after decades obsessing on grim and gritty street-level vigilantism since Watchmen and TDKR in '86. Now it's finally paid off in the worst way the past decade as their attempt at a cinematic universe, THE way Marvel re-ignited themselves as a genuine pop culture staple for zoomers and millennials, didn't just fall flat but actively harmed themselves not just with those groups, but young children. They don't know how to write superpowered-heroes anymore because they bought into the memes of the Justice League charter members being "OP as fuck" instead of just using a cross of "strong as they need to be" with plots that aren't immediate high stakes reflecting that. They don't know how to write optimistic personalities anymore because they've been obsessed with being the "mature" option against Marvel, which is especially funny considering Marvel was originally THAT against DC in the 60s to mid 80s. They don't even know any solo hero's "world" intimately outside Batman and end up crossing them all over sooner or more uselessly than expected versus the rich tapestry they provided Batman with so he can safely be the only hero in any given series.

Now DC is a joke and no matter how bad it gets for Marvel, they can confidently claim they're not DC. People still like individual major members of the Avengers like Cap, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk much less Spidey or even Wolverine. Who has, say, Flash or Green Lantern as their favorite DC hero? Even Wonder Woman? Can anyone really talk on and on about those guys' villains and supporting cast the way they can on Batman's? No, because DC stopped giving a shit on them and now they're all stagnant and have been for ages.

Most of all, what will DC do if people end up tired of Batman himself?
 
Reading through the spoilers on Twitter reveals that not only did WB include a "cameo" of the deceased Christopher Reeves but also one of (no relation) George Reeves.
I read that shortly after George Reeves' death, the producers of the 50's Superman show wanted to make a spinoff show based on the Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen comics but Jack Larson turned it down due to Larson disgusted at the idea that the producers wanted to make money off of Reeves' death.
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The Flash box office predictions seem to be all over the place from $58 to $80 million for North American. Aquaman opened at $72 million in North America, and world wide ended up grossing over $1 billion, so a weak opening weekend isn't the end all if the movie is well liked and has legs.

However Flash despite all the "best super hero ever" movie talk before it came out, has a poor CinemaScore of B, so it likely will have no legs much like Ant-Man 3 which also got that rating, however that had a good opening weekend to start off with which the Flash will lack.

For anyone wanting to know what CinemaScore is
CinemaScore® is the industry leader in measuring movie appeal among theatre audiences. Since 1978, CinemaScore has been polling moviegoers at major movie releases on opening night to collect demographic information and calculate a distinctive CinemaScore grade.
Good tool when it comes to blockbusters to get an idea if the movie will get word of mouth or repeat viewership, really want an A or higher for those type of movies, with a B+ being fine but could go either way. B for superhero stuff is nearly always flops since the MCU came around

My guess it will out gross Black Adam's $393.3 million but unlikely to pass Ant-Man 3's $476.1 million, if the budget is right of it being between $200 - $220 million it will lose money, however if they did the tax write off like people are now saying they should have, they would have lost more money. It will likely at some point turn a small profit with rentals, DVD/Blu ray and TV/Streaming licensing. but that may take a while.

I think they really over estimated how much people would enjoy the dead eye cgi cameos, very odd because if they just the real actors who were still alive for the cameos I do think audiences would have enjoyed them. Such having Brandon Routh as Superman, or Keanu Reeves as Constantine, rather than CGI Christopher Reeves or CGI but still alive Nic Cage. Most of the talk I hear is more about this or bad CGI overall than the story of the movie, which really speaks to how much of a bad idea it was.
 
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Reading through the spoilers on Twitter reveals that not only did WB include a "cameo" of the deceased Christopher Reeves but also one of (no relation) George Reeves. When you read up on circumstances of his death, it's on par with Disney having Peter Pan be the villain in the recent Chip 'n Dale movie.
putting aside matters of taste, I'm surprised they included him simply because the series isn't _that_ well-remembered, compared to Adam West Batman
I mean, I guess it was on Nick at Night into the 90s?
 
However Flash despite all the "best super hero ever" movie talk before it came out, has a poor CinemaScore of B, so it likely will have no legs much like Ant-Man 3 which also got that rating, however that had a good opening weekend to start off with which the Flash will lack.

For anyone wanting to know what CinemaScore is
https://www.cinemascore.com/ Good tool when it comes to blockbusters to get an idea if the movie will get word of mouth or repeat viewership, really want an A or higher for those type of movies, with a B+ being fine but could go either way. B for superhero stuff is nearly always flops since the MCU came around
I can't find the link to a 1993 article anywhere, but said 1993 CinemaScore report calls any movie a B or below an automatic failure. Sure, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam made have been successful, but that's only because of good luck. The Flash doesn't have any luck.
 
I've asked it before across the Farms and will again, but... did anyone expect DC to become such a tarnished brand a decade ago with Man of Steel dropping? Okay, maybe a dozen years ago with Green Lantern trying to kickstart a movie 'verse.
DC has a problem balancing camp and seriousness. Superman alone makes 90% of potential plots have to work around him being so fucking overpowered. Batman is called Batgod these days because of how hard he's been pushed to match. Red Arrow and his heroin addiction, the retarded rape plot of identity crisis, and whatever the fuck Final Crisis was. It's been a mess for decades at this point. Marvel isn't better by much, but it took until the mid 2000s to really get fucked.

Both live action movie franchises' courses can be measured through their comics, really.
 
DC has a problem balancing camp and seriousness. Superman alone makes 90% of potential plots have to work around him being so fucking overpowered. Batman is called Batgod these days because of how hard he's been pushed to match. Red Arrow and his heroin addiction, the retarded rape plot of identity crisis, and whatever the fuck Final Crisis was. It's been a mess for decades at this point. Marvel isn't better by much, but it took until the mid 2000s to really get fucked.

Both live action movie franchises' courses can be measured through their comics, really.
100% with you. I read the comics too, from before and back in the periods you mention to now.

It's why I mention "strong as they need to be". They really need to do what Marvel does with Spider-Man: acknowledge his official strength level is actually quite high but he tangos with street level and has become used to it on a psychological level, resulting in the classic nerd knowledge he's always been holding back until he needs or is pissed enough to cut loose.

Now Superman's base level of strength, Flash's base level of speed, etc. is certainly going to be higher than Spidey's. Common sense there. But Superman's animated series gave him the biggest baseline nerf to his strength since Julie Schwartz did in the 1970s, and it worked great for the DCAU - he could still pull off some god-tier feat if he needed to but sparingly. The classic world of cardboard speech moment was incredible BECAUSE nothing on that level had quite happened yet for Supes.

But because WB/DC is so used to sucking the dick off of nonpowered vigilantes like Batman and the Watchmen they really don't get that anymore, hence my "they don't know how to write superpowers anymore" bit above. And it finally came home to roost for the past decade and a half when superheroes became big in pop culture again. Amazing how bad they blew it all.
 
Spoiling some little bits from the Flash movie for those who have even bare minimum hope for it.

Honestly speaking, this is moreso a showcase of the bad CGI itself than a movie spoiler. It's not just usual bad CGI, it's almost makes scenes ugly to watch. Mind you, the director's excuse for this is that's it's actually supposed to be bad on purpose, to show Flash's PoV.






We have a scene where the film (kinda) tries to rip-off Quicksilver scenes from the Fox X-MEN films. I say kinda cause any Speedster film can do it, it doesn't automatically mean it's a rip-off. One more thing, he puts a baby in a microwave.





That baby in microwave thing? He does it twice.



The film tries to sell Ezra as a thirst trap, but he's no Cavill, he's not even Batffleck, or even Jason Momoa as CHADquaman. Seriously, he has so many ass-shots that you'd think the director wants to breed Ezra's Ezrussy. Mind you, this is a film technically made for kids.




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One thing I saw which made me laugh was Keaton's hair & beard, which looks like it's taken from some Halloween outfit. Seriously, it's like they spent most of the production budget of this film into getting Ezra out of jail.



Later, we get an unironic mobile game ad in the name of a ENTER moment. No seriously, it looks like a Fortnite screen.


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Honestly speaking, Supergirl's role in this is very weird. She might unironically be the least bad character in this, while her role is almost consisting of 10 lines & a total screentime of 15 minutes at best. Yet despite that, her character feels like it could have some depth. Also, I don't know how I can remotely like this film after it desexualizing a somewhat hot Latina.
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Her actress, Sasha Calle, is a Telenovela, soap-opera actress so her acting is pretty mixed, she just screams most of the time, & her whole job in the film is essentially being Zod's punching bag & later dying by his hands in just 15 minutes of her total appearance, which is very based in my book. At the same time, if done competently, she might not be as bad. She does make for a good meme potential tho.
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Speaking of which, Michael Shannon tries to do his best as Zod here, but you can tell he has to actually try hard compared to his peak in Man of Steel, as if he wasn't lying about the "hard to act in front of just green screen" part in his recent interview. To make it even worse, DCEU's best girl, Faora-Ul is back... for almost 5-10 seconds, with mask covering her face so much, they might as well could've just used a lookalike (yes, Antje Traue actually came back as Faora-Ul for this).


Funnily enough, the best cameo in this film, is also Superman's... Nick Cage's Superman.



Batman's suit is probably the worst in live-action history. Also, this is probably the 1st Batman on screen who stands with his hands clasped like a vulnerable betamale. It's BetaBat, or BatBeta, which sounds more awkward. It's like the Tom King Batman run suddenly got adapted cause he's working on his own DCEU project.



Oh yeah, speaking of Batman. George Clooney is apparently the next Batman to cameo, but the one in the post-credit scene is rumored not to be George Clooney himself, but George Clooney, deepfaked on Keaton.
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After all this, we get this... I swear to god, I think I see Elliot Rodgers in this.

 
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