DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

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Battlefield2142EU said:
As crap as the final seasons and newer shows were. The arrowverse probably had a more successful run than the DCEU. The fact DC and WB didn't capitalize on the popularity of Green arrows during the first two seasons of Arrow shows how intellectually challenged both companies are. Before CW Arrow, Oliver queen was one of the most hated DC superheroes. He still is.
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As far I can tell the Arrow series was meant to be "let's do a Batman show without taking a risk by actually using Batman." They did not divert hard from GA's origin but a lot about the show's first season screamed Batman, specifically the Nolan Batman.

Regarding capitalising on the show's success how should they have done so more? Stuck him in animated stuff? He showed up a lot in the oft mentioned Batman Brave and the Bold as well as getting one of the DC Showcase one-shots. He also continues to get various comic runs but I doubt those are what you mean. I suppose you could have done a movie but with Arrow running you either do that version of the character or the comic one, those are very different versions of a minor character so you gamble hard doing so. Having a Superman movie when Smallville was airing would have been one-thing, Green Arrow is nowhere near as well known so you have to pander to Arrow fans or comic fans.

I honestly don't think he's an accidental caricature of a liberal . Certain writers might have changed that or tried to pretend he isn't but at times Oliver in the comics comes across as a full blown mockery of the ideals he holds. While he might at times manage to support the values he claims to hold he also often falls over his own two feet due to not being able to stick to them.

To say nothing of him occasionally being the male feminist stereotype, though one with a better track record with women due to having a degree of charm. Were he in the real world by now he would have been MeToo'd a lot and I would be unsurprised to see DC doing that story at some point.
 
Morethanabitfoolish said:
Regarding capitalising on the show's success how should they have done so more? Stuck him in animated stuff?
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Green Arrow should’ve been a founding member of the Justice league in the new 52. Considering the arrow came out a year after the new 52 launched.
Morethanabitfoolish said:
Were he in the real world by now he would have been MeToo'd a lot and I would be unsurprised to see DC doing that story at some point.
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DC and marvel will never do a storyline critical of #MEtoo. Realistically kingpin and peguin would be weaponizing the ME too movement against Bruce Wayne and daredevil.
 
Battlefield2142EU said:
Green Arrow should’ve been a founding member of the Justice league in the new 52. Considering the arrow came out a year after the new 52 launched.
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Fair point, I think he was in one of the New 52 Justice Leagues wasn't he? Was there a Justice League Europe?
Battlefield2142EU said:
DC and marvel will never do a storyline critical of #MEtoo. Realistically kingpin and peguin would be weaponizing the ME too movement against Bruce Wayne and daredevil.
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It'd be a non-stop parade of women followed shortly thereafter by "oh, so you slept with none of those women? Guess that explains all of these MEN who said you harassed them!"
 
Michael Wade said:
There's a lot of buzzword talk about climate change and global warming. Not too insuferable within the context of what they are saying but slightly annoying.
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It's unfortunate that climate change will now forever be associated with Aquaman (the topic was even brought up when he appeared in the 2000s DC animated universe). I agree that it wasn't too preachy however it was not subtle when the greenhouse gas affecting Earth's temperature and mutating life is literally green.
Product Placement said:
Well I was dead wrong, Aquaman 2 is already above $250 million world wide, with the lack of new movies out in January $400 million+ seems like a lock, not sure if it will make a profit from the cinema run but with other markets (Streaming, dvd, VOD, TV licencing) should make a profit at some point.



So already out grossed The Marvels $205.6million, not far off the Flash's $270.6 million.
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While the MCU diehards and anti-woke grifters took victory laps regarding Aquaman 2's weak opening, they didn't take into account it could benefit from the "January dump" period.
 
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Amber heard probably killed the WB and paramount merger. But Aqua 2 at least did better than marvels still.
 
So I just finished watching Aquaman 2, and I really enjoyed. Was overall a really fun and entertaining blockbuster. Bringing back Oceanmaster and fleshing out his relationship with Aquaman was a good choice. Much better than the bland Aquaman and Mera romance in the first film.

The film aslo ended on a positive note which was bittersweet knowing that this is the last film in this universe.
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Amber heard probably killed the WB and paramount merger. But Aqua 2 at least did better than marvels still.
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It helps that Aquaman has a likable lead actor. Brie Larson is as charismatic as a hunk of wood.
 
Aquaman 2 is just as bad as the previous film. Both are dog shit and retarded.

Plus it ends by stealing the "I am Ironman" scene.
 
It's amazing how most people I see who have an opinion on Tom King think he's awful. I gave his work a try and it's just awful. One minor quibble, but something that is symptomatic about his overall work is how he wrote Travis Morgan, aka The Warlord, created by Mike Grell who had 133 issue comic run and is a fantasy hero in the vein of old pulps. Tom King wrote him as this totally pathetic loser who was desperate to join the Justice League. Not to mention his Rorschach book, which featured grotesque depictions of a not-Steve Ditko, an actual Frank Miller and an actual Otto Binder (early contributor to Superman, Captain America, etc.) At least when that beardo Moore referenced comics history in Watchmen, he was respectful and not a ghoul about it. If that comic was the first time you'd heard of Otto Binder, King was informing you about how this influential Golden Age creator was a UFO kook who tried to use reel-to-reel tapes to hold seances to contact his daughter, who'd been killed when she was hit by a car, and went "What's that? Kill the President some time in the future? OK!" I mean he was into UFOs, and "ancient astronauts" but he was a lot more than that. And say what you will about Ditko, he was a weirdo (though not to the extent some people have potrayed him as) but at least he actually believed in something and had the courage of his convictions.

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Aquashit 2 is a monster flop, one of the biggest of all time.

The previous film made 1 bi and the sequel is not going to get even close to half of that. In more sane times, like 3 decades ago, it would mean the end of the career of everybody involved in this film. Jason Mamoa would be forced to retire and the director would spend the rest of his life making direct-to-video Steven Seagal films.

But capeshit is the nigger of cinema, they always get another chance so we already have 24 sequels confirmed and now people are saying it's actually doing totes all right just because another capeshit did even worse some months ago.

And yes, this capeshit that did worse is going to get 50 sequels as well. The niggers of cinema.
 
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Amber heard probably killed the WB and paramount merger. But Aqua 2 at least did better than marvels still.
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What the hell does Amber Heard have to do with WB and Paramount merger? Unless you mean Aquaman 2 flopping, but pretty sure WB was aware of how the movie was tracking before the merger talks started, plus outside capeshit their movies have done mostly well this year anyway.

Hope that shit doesn't happen, but really doubt they have even said her name in any talks given how unimportant is to both studios
 
Commander X said:
At least when that beardo Moore referenced comics history in Watchmen, he was respectful and not a ghoul about it.
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I remember hearing rumors that Tom King Rorshach was supposed to end with totally not Alan Moore being killed by Rorshach. It's amazing how Tom King and HBO guards feel so dated compared to the original. Even the Doomsday clock aged shockingly better. Too bad doomsday clock wasn't actually about the US vs Russia and Middle East proxy war with superheroes.
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What the hell does Amber Heard have to do with WB and Paramount merger?
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WB stood behind Amber Heard publicly as they did with Ezra Miller. WB still didn’t apologize for firing Johnny Depp. If half the rumors are true. WB fought to keep as much Amber heard as possible in Aquaman 2. The public still sees Aquaman 2 as an Amber Heard movie.
 
Battlefield2142EU said:
I remember hearing rumors that Tom King Rorshach was supposed to end with totally not Alan Moore being killed by Rorshach. It's amazing how Tom King and HBO guards feel so dated compared to the original. Even the Doomsday clock aged shockingly better. Too bad doomsday clock wasn't actually about the US vs Russia and Middle East proxy war with superheroes.

WB stood behind Amber Heard publicly as they did with Ezra Miller. WB still didn’t apologize for firing Johnny Depp. If half the rumors are true. WB fought to keep as much Amber heard as possible in Aquaman 2. The public still sees Aquaman 2 as an Amber Heard movie.
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Did you watch the trial? Because WB wanted to get rid of her before all this because she had no chemistry Jason Momoa but Elon Musk stepped in to keep her in the movie

They also hid her in all the trailers, to point public weren't aware if she was in the movie or how much of a role she had before it came out. Do agree with them sticking up for Ezra Miller was fucked and they should have replaced Heard, but neither of these things have anything to do with the merger between WB and Paramount that could happen.
 
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What really got to me was the Adam Strange mini-series King wrote. If you thought that 1990 mini-series written by some graphic designer for DC was dark, the one that doubled on Alan Moore's take from the pages of Swamp Thing, where Adam Strange was mocked by the citizens of his sometimes home planet as a primitive and a throwback and he'd only really been wanted around for stud service, then Strange Adventures (2020) takes it down to new levels. It's the same old boring Tom King stuff, no matter which character he's writing about, a lot of depressing hackwork, characters written with a deconstruction slant that often annihilates who they were before and turns them into moping a-holes with PTSD. Modern Adam Strange stories could maybe take a cue from, as one example. the 2004 "Planet Heist" storyline, do the whole adventure/thriller space opera business but no, you get this instead (courtesy of, ug, TVTropes)

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Battlefield2142EU said:
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Five flops in a row. American public getting sick of superhero movies. James pederast Gunn hires Tom King to help reboot DC. Calling now. DCU will be more politically pandering than MCU and Star Wars now.
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I'm still not sure if they're sick of capeshit, or if they're just becoming aware how passionless and devoid of actual artistic merit these movies are.

Plus DC needs to realize that most of their movies are meh with a few exceptions. They should stick to animated shit. I've never seen them make a truly bad animated movie or series from DC. If I was them that's where I'd put my focus.

Then again, I'm not a greedy whore like they've become. I would actually want to make good shit for the sake of making good shit instead of purely with profit motive in mind.

I think that's why the DCU stuff especially has felt so bland and forgettable. They saw Marvel doing the MCU shit and all they saw was a profit being made and they weren't in on it.
 
Battlefield2142EU said:
WB stood behind Amber Heard publicly as they did with Ezra Miller. WB still didn’t apologize for firing Johnny Depp. If half the rumors are true. WB fought to keep as much Amber heard as possible in Aquaman 2. The public still sees Aquaman 2 as an Amber Heard movie.
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Not gonna lie, before hearing it was decent I held back because of her. Im glad it's doing ok.

WB and marvel are moronic for not recasting their actors if they are not afraid of being sued because of contracts.

Battlefield2142EU said:
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WB at this rate is going to under before the mouse. Never should have cancelled the synderverse, that's a betrayal that's never going to be forgiven unless they strike SOLID gold. Even then people will not see it out of spite.

I can see failure from miles away.

Commander X said:
What really got to me was the Adam Strange mini-series King wrote. If you thought that 1990 mini-series written by some graphic designer for DC was dark, the one that doubled on Alan Moore's take from the pages of Swamp Thing, where Adam Strange was mocked by the citizens of his sometimes home planet as a primitive and a throwback and he'd only really been wanted around for stud service, then Strange Adventures (2020) takes it down to new levels. It's the same old boring Tom King stuff, no matter which character he's writing about, a lot of depressing hackwork, characters written with a deconstruction slant that often annihilates who they were before and turns them into moping a-holes with PTSD. Modern Adam Strange stories could maybe take a cue from, as one example. the 2004 "Planet Heist" storyline, do the whole adventure/thriller space opera business but no, you get this instead (courtesy of, ug, TVTropes)

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To his credit in this case, I believe the adam strange story is self contained elseworlds.
 
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