It does have more of a Conan/Red Sonja influence
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I finished up the rest of the show to date. Still hasn't jumped the shark, imo, but I still think the first season was the strongest. It is supposedly coming back for another season... minus the entire secondary cast, and a reduced episode count. Budget cuts. I'm not entirely pessimistic about it. The show's always looked more expensive than it supposedly really is. If they can stave off Talking Dead syndrome with some deep cuts, it might even work out for the best... maybe. Presumably they will have the opportunity to wrap things up. The new villain (Lex Luthor) looks to be a decided improvement over the last few. Better to burn out than fade away, you either die a hero or live long enough to be a villain, etc etc. Not a lot of cases where I'm glad that a show went on for 20 seasons, or even 6 really.
Also skimmed some YT video's of Tyler Hoechlin's Supergirl appearances... jfc. Allegedly, these two shows had similar budgets, somehow. I could easily forget it's even the same actor.
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How much of a faggot do you have to be to think The Dark Knight returns is anti-left and Frank Miller conservative? Frank Miller is far more openly anti-Ronald Reagan and Republican than Alan Moore ever was. P.S Vee Infuso, you defended Batman when he recently showed up ignoring looters because of BLM and racial justice. Frank Miller was writing about left pro defunding the police shit back in the 80s.
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Please tell me those panels are not real.
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Frank Miller is such a leftist, he hates Islam for being anti-gay and anti-feminist. He depicts Trump voters as joker supporters who hate democracy because Darkseid also pro-Wall and anti-immigration. Yet people pretend he isn’t a bigger leftist than Alan Moore. He wrote a story about Batman helping BLM and Antifa.
Was there a comic from Miller where Batman helped Asians during Stop Asian Hate?
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I'm just here to say I don't really give a shit about DC outside of Batman and most of my experience has been with the movies and the Arkham games.
That's it. I'm a normie faggot when it comes to DC. Same for Marvel really, I only really know Spidey but this isn't his thread.
I'm gonna say it though, I still think the two best Batman movies were Batman 89' and Batman Returns. Still my favorite batsuit design too. Like yeah okay you could argue it's simplistic but I feel like the simplicity is what makes it so good. So many Batsuits these days are over designed and try way too hard to make it look all realistic and technicool.
That's it. I'm a normie faggot when it comes to DC. Same for Marvel really, I only really know Spidey but this isn't his thread.
I'm gonna say it though, I still think the two best Batman movies were Batman 89' and Batman Returns. Still my favorite batsuit design too. Like yeah okay you could argue it's simplistic but I feel like the simplicity is what makes it so good. So many Batsuits these days are over designed and try way too hard to make it look all realistic and technicool.
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Than why is the Joker even still alive in the DCEU?
If you're talking about the 2019 Joker movie, that doesn't count as part of the DCEU, let alone the Snyderverse, as it was a standalone movie
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In some ways he's not wrong, considering even the comics have asked this question many times of him not killing resulting in more casualities.
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I do want to say though since I can't say it anywhere else without getting sperged at but man people are really autistic sometimes when it comes to Batman it's actually kind of hilarious. Like am I the only one that thinks people take Batman way too seriously?
I don't know what it is about him but man does he attract autists like flies on shit.
So many people absolutely sperg the fuck out if you dare insinuate Batman is goofy in any manner. I feel like the movies are somewhat to blame for this. I'm no expert but I didn't exactly lie in my previous post I'm not some mega nerd when it comes to comics but I know enough from just hearsay and general googling to know that capeshit in general is extremely fucking goofy. Hell, Batman himself used to be downright hilarious back in the day but now he's all edgy and brooding and it brings in all the edgelords. I miss when Batman was just a cool super hero and not edgy. They focus so much on Batman being a brooding loner these days that they forget he used to be a family man.
It makes sense for early Batman to be edgy and brooding but the problem is he never has development he never becomes better he's always just a brooding faggot. Though I think that might just be because the movies are absolutely allergic to Batman's sidekicks. (Probably thanks to Forever and Batman and Robin.) so he never builds his family ever. And I always see the argument of like "B-But Robin can't be a kid!" or "Robin is too goofy!" or whatever but it's like Batman by his very nature is fucking goofy. Plus they could always just do what the Arkham games did and have him be a young adult. Make him exactly 18 I don't know. It can work they just don't care enough to try because they need Batman to appeal to the edgy loner crowd.
Though the people that fucking idolize Batman and say shit like "It's cool because anyone can be Batman!" are hilarious. Like yes, you too can be trained by the deadliest assassin in the world. Be a fucking billionaire with dead parents, cutting edge technology and plot armor thicker than Amy Schumer's thigh. You just have to believe hard enough! Shit cracks me up. Batman might as well have super powers.
EDIT: Also I apologize if this is the wrong thread for this. I couldn't find a better thread besides a general DC thread. So, hopefully I'm not just shitting up the thread here.
I don't know what it is about him but man does he attract autists like flies on shit.
So many people absolutely sperg the fuck out if you dare insinuate Batman is goofy in any manner. I feel like the movies are somewhat to blame for this. I'm no expert but I didn't exactly lie in my previous post I'm not some mega nerd when it comes to comics but I know enough from just hearsay and general googling to know that capeshit in general is extremely fucking goofy. Hell, Batman himself used to be downright hilarious back in the day but now he's all edgy and brooding and it brings in all the edgelords. I miss when Batman was just a cool super hero and not edgy. They focus so much on Batman being a brooding loner these days that they forget he used to be a family man.
It makes sense for early Batman to be edgy and brooding but the problem is he never has development he never becomes better he's always just a brooding faggot. Though I think that might just be because the movies are absolutely allergic to Batman's sidekicks. (Probably thanks to Forever and Batman and Robin.) so he never builds his family ever. And I always see the argument of like "B-But Robin can't be a kid!" or "Robin is too goofy!" or whatever but it's like Batman by his very nature is fucking goofy. Plus they could always just do what the Arkham games did and have him be a young adult. Make him exactly 18 I don't know. It can work they just don't care enough to try because they need Batman to appeal to the edgy loner crowd.
Though the people that fucking idolize Batman and say shit like "It's cool because anyone can be Batman!" are hilarious. Like yes, you too can be trained by the deadliest assassin in the world. Be a fucking billionaire with dead parents, cutting edge technology and plot armor thicker than Amy Schumer's thigh. You just have to believe hard enough! Shit cracks me up. Batman might as well have super powers.
EDIT: Also I apologize if this is the wrong thread for this. I couldn't find a better thread besides a general DC thread. So, hopefully I'm not just shitting up the thread here.
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He also said more people watched Rebel Moon than they did Barbie, so I’m pretty sure he’s just incredibly pissy about his movies being mocked.
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I read that in the Joker's voice!
But no, you're not. I will say though that different heroes are marketed to different audiences. Batman is meant for an audience of edgy teens. Just as the Flash is meant for a more hopeful audience and Plastic Man is meant to be whacky and cartoonish. Though sometimes the best stories are the ones where that baseline is challenged. Flashpoint is one of the darkest stories. Plastic Man has a pretty good arc in the Injustice series of comics that deal where he fulfils a pretty serious role. Yet still, Batman is meant for the people who take him seriously - it's what that audience (mostly) likes.
Yep - because that's the Batman fanbase (mostly).
The Young Justice cartoon dealt pretty well with young heroes. They are largely not publicly known like the Justice League itself and get used for recon and undercover work that the more visible and high-powered Justice League. They actually discuss age and specifically call out Batman recruiting Robin as a kid in this clip:
You might like Young Justice, actually. It's one of the least goofy treatments of DC characters and in its own way Superhero way, realistic. Takes an absolute nose-dive after S2, however. Including introducing a non-binary bisexual Muslim superheroine who is actually an ancient alien intelligence that still thinks "Islam is for me". And also possesses an exhumed dead body to do all this stuff. It's most definitely not as fun as that sounds, just sad because it's serious about that character. First two seasons interesting, though.
I liked the most recent Batman movie and hope to see more in the universe. Batman in it has cool tech and yes, can fight six people at once, but other than that is more or less played straight. Fantastically shot as well.
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So like a lot of super hero shows then?
Only one I can think of that didn't jump off a cliff at some point was the original Teen Titans series. I remember watching it when I was a boy. Though I remember the final episode being completely dogshit. They bring Terra back to life for basically no reason I think, don't explain it and just in general the entire episode was cringe all around. Then I remember reading later that it was one of those episodes where the writer was like "IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SHIT YOU JUST DIDN'T GET IT!" thankfully I think the movie where they go to Japan ends up being the true conclusion to the series if I remember right? But yeah, the final episode's lesson was meant to be about letting go or something and that you won't always get all the answers but I think it could've been done better. I get what they were going for but it didn't quite hit right.
It actually astonishes me that Teen Titans GO! is still ongoing like jesus fucking christ man. I was still in school when that shit started. I'm a grown ass adult now. Like holy fuck. I'm not even mad anymore I'm impressed. I'm amazed they've managed to keep it going for this fucking long. Man, why can't good shows get that kind of fortune? I guess probably because good shows actually know when to end? Going to go a bit boomer mode for a moment here because I know a popular argument regarding GO is that "Oh well adults are not the target demographic so you can't complain about it." but the thing is I'm not complaining for me, I'm complaining for the kids. Like, old cartoons used to at least TRY to teach kids some kind of lesson or something. Fuck even the original Teen Titans taught some okay lessons but nowadays a lot of kids entertainment just seems like absolute brainrot slop that I wouldn't let my own children watch fuck even my nephews or nieces. Like, fuck man. I don't care how boomer it sounds I genuinely do miss the old days.
I think I watched The Batman 2004 when I was younger too but weirdly don't remember much about it. Well besides that he fights fucking Dracula at some point.
Those were the two DC related series I remember watching.
That being said I may check out young justice out of morbid curiosity. I guess I'm a masochist I wanna see how hard they drop the ball.
Yeah I saw it. I appreciated it for them being relatively genuine instead of filling it with ironic "humor" like so many modern super hero movies. Might be a step in the right direction but I won't hold my breath.
Yeah, that's fair I guess. I just feel like people take it a bit too far. Not that I mind serious Batman as long as it's well written I just wish people were more interested in depicting his rise. Because for me I feel like Batman actually has a great capacity to be one of the more hopeful stories. I mean think about it, a guy who is traumatized by losing his family at a young age eventually builds his own? I dunno I like the sound of it. I feel like it's a very hopeful message and kind of heartwarming but almost no Batman media anymore takes that angle.
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Zack is a dumbass edgelord who just wants to do Frank Miller Batman without understanding the point of him. He also compared Batman to a God because people don't want him to not kill, which given how Zack views Superman, Zack has a Moviebob view of how Superheros are the new mythology except if he were a DC fanboy.
He means the Jared Leto Joker who killed Jason Todd in Snyder's universe and for some reason is alive and well.
Yeah Zack is a dumbass and his metric for saying more people watched Rebel Moon and it made more money is Netflix saying that each view assumes there are 2 people watching it and they count the people who click "start" so there could be people who clicked start than shut off the movie after 30 seconds.
He also said Dune Part 2 is a flop when it's already making a lot of money. So it definitely is Zack Snyder getting butthurt over people making fun of his movies.
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Honestly, I really like TTG. Don’t know how much you have watched, but it is pretty good when it wants to be. It is written by the people who did Drawn Together and much of that style of humor is in it.
Also, it does teach lessons. They actually went into full detail on how to create long term financial investments out of rental properties. I am not joking. As a shitpost to Mr. Enter, they had an entire episode teach kids about making an income by cleaning up rentals.
I swear, no one on staff gives a shit, and they unironically created one of the few based cartoons of the 2010s. The plots are fucking wild in this show and have quite a bit of creativity.
Batman is best when you get the 2-3 elements to work in tandem: The family dynamic, crime drama and horror. There are many heroes without powers in comics. Batman did way better than them as the series roots in 50s media made it very distinct. Most of the animation and games get this, but the movies struggled hard, especially now in a post-Nolan timeline where he needs to be realistic.
Batman Brave & The Bold is also a great series if you are into campy Adam West era Batman. Feels like a good mix of BTAS and West.
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This was also why i was hyped about James Gunn taking over, Mr.Troma himself is no stranger to making shit cheap, and between the absurd ROI of Shazam! and both the joker and (supposedly) the batman being cheaper intimate films i felt they finally were getting the combination right and considering the movie financial trends they would have been at the forefront of the new paradigm. the MCU owned the 2010s, but DC would get the 20s. Instead the film budgets were the usual high amounts but they just looked like cheaper shitty movies.
it matched the aesthetic, in those films Batman was their freddy or jason or more like the godzilla of those films if you account for screentime. much like the victims in slashers, the villians get most of the screentime but its all about the guy in the suit. They pretty much abandon the playboy persona for those films which would have been great to make canon. People forget just regular Bruce Wayne scares the shit out of the Joker to the point that he flinches and jumps backwards.
thats what having a budget higher than the Dark Knight gets you. which is also why its not getting a sequel. it actually pisses me off, pretty much right up until the premiere they were lying about it being a more intimate cheaper film. That it was more like an indie film with an IP wrapped around it a la the joker and that it was the cheapest Batman film since the 1960s spin off of the tv show. That would have been amazing foresight for DC and would match their stated goals about what would separate the DC movies vs the MCU a decade ago. instead it was your typical $200+ million extravaganza that was just made to look like a cheaper mid budget movie. While a great movie, i'm sure the studio will demand so much more of the sequel especially with the economics of modern filmmaking signaling the death of the $150-450 million movie budget blockbuster.
This was also why i was hyped about James Gunn taking over, Mr.Troma himself is no stranger to making shit cheap, and between the absurd ROI of Shazam! and both the joker and (supposedly) the batman being cheaper intimate films i felt they finally were getting the combination right and considering the movie financial trends they would have been at the forefront of the new paradigm. the MCU owned the 2010s, but DC would get the 20s. Instead the film budgets were the usual high amounts but they just looked like cheaper shitty movies.
people have been saying that since cartoons were invented. people were demanding the public execution of the creators of Mad Magazine when it was huge in the 50s for similar reasons. and its live action spin off is so goddamn influential every top comedian has said they were addicted to watching reruns of it as kids. the cartoon network cartoon spinoff of mad also was accused of being brainrot when it was just as good as the tv show or magazine.
thats more of a modern retcon, people forget batman didn't really have a "family" until the 2000s. he pissed off dick so much he abandoned him, he's also the reason batgirl got crippled and then the jason todd stuff happened. Tim's really the one that got the ball rolling on the bat family and a big reason for that in the comics was to tie-in to the movie all about the bat family called......Batman & Robin. Once that ship sailed the comics slowed down on the whole bat family thing but didn't abandon it completely. But don't you dare say "no batman media focuses on that" when its literally a huge reason for the rebooted trilogy we all know and love.
it has to make a half billion dollars by the end of the month to not be considered a flop and its barely halfway there
not seeing Adam Carolla listed on imdb for it.
again, i think the fact audiences destroyed the Bat Credit Card movie is a huge reason they don't try to embrace the elements of the hero you get in the games and cartoons
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Absolutely fair, I probably don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. Especially since I only saw it when it originally first came out. Just doesn't seem like it's for me. I did warn that it was probably just the boomer in me being a nigger. Probably not even going to bring it up again. I guess I just needed to let that out.
Fair as well.
Yeah I think the Nolan movies definitely marked a turning point for Batman.
I've never seen anyone liken Tim Burton's Batman to a horror movie killer before... but you know what? I see it. Also 99% sure that Batman killed multiple people. Of course the main villains but plenty of henchmen too. Pretty sure there's one guy he just straight blows up with some bomb?
Truth be told I kind of liked it. Probably the best depiction of a Batman that kills. I feel like nowadays the whole "Batman who kills" thing is overdone or done completely wrong when I feel the Tim Burton movies got it right before anyone else.
I'm a retard, which trilogy? There's only two movies that I remember that involved Robin and that was Forever and Batman and Robin. They did plan to make a third one called Batman Unchained or some shit but due to the poor reception of Batman and Robin of course it was cancelled.
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You really don't want to - unless your masochism descends right to your soul. It's not hilariously bad, it's just depressing. The first two seasons are very well written and tightly plotted. The most notable quality of all is that the villains are competent, even when defeated. But whilst I don't think the showrunner changed I think there was some change in management or restrictions on him and the qualities that enabled him to make the show good became the same qualities that made it a downbeat mess once nothing restrained them. Other than some occasional heavy-handed dialogue and perhaps the worst Joker interpretation I've ever seen in animation (thankfully just in one episode), it's pretty solid.
I stuck through S3 for the sake of the two previous ones but didn't really enjoy it. S4 I noped out of. Though it contains some of the most heavy-handed and dubious messaging with Beast Boy going on and on about how important it was for him to seek help, how prescription anti-depressants are good and necessary. If you want to see drawn out scenes of slow dialogue with traumatised heroes sitting in a circle whilst Black Canary runs a support group, then later seasons are for you. If you want to see Lex Luthor be frightening competent, Vandal Savage be fucking awesome and to see heroes (mostly) win through their abilities rather than plot armour, S1-2 are worth a watch.
I hope I haven't got your hopes up too high. It's not perfect but it's better than most.
Yeah, TTG writers were completely unrestrained. The show was nuts. And yes, Beast Boy reinstates the Gold Standard one episode after being turned into a leprechaun (iirc, Robin is actually a leprechaun in remission and passes it onto Beast Boy).Honestly, I really like TTG. Don’t know how much you have watched, but it is pretty good when it wants to be. It is written by the people who did Drawn Together and much of that style of humor is in it.
Also, it does teach lessons. They actually went into full detail on how to create long term financial investments out of rental properties. I am not joking. As a shitpost to Mr. Enter, they had an entire episode teach kids about making an income by cleaning up rentals.
I swear, no one on staff gives a shit, and they unironically created one of the few based cartoons of the 2010s. The plots are fucking wild in this show and have quite a bit of creativity.
And the writers are super-aware of the criticisms and have some fun with it. There's a faux-crossover with the Young Justice cartoon where the YJ characters tell the TT that they're not serious enough, so Robin decides they must all get more serious. I have to admit I laughed.
Also, it does call back to the previous TT series on multiple occasions. There's even an entire cross-over movie.
B:TBatB was superb. It fully embraced its comic book nature and wasn't constrained by a need for heavy realism. At the same time, it didn't sacrifice real emotion. The episodes where Batman gets the chance to undo his parents' murder are something else. And it has solid moral lessons in it which kids need so that alone gets it a very positive reaction from me. AND it also has some belting musical numbers including the hilariously sexual Birds of Prey number:
I'm a sucker for a good musical episode so I'll throw in others from the show:
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I don't know if it's been mentioned in the thread before. But you've brought it to my mind again. They actually planned at one point to do a Batman musical. The plot was supposed to be an adaption of the two Tim Burton movies or at least borrow heavily from them and Jim Steinman was supposed to be on the soundtrack. Yes, you read that correctly. There's a few of the songs that were meant for the musical floating around on youtube.
Don't know the details 100% since it's very hard to find information about it online. But I heard apparently they didn't think a musical based on a super hero would do well so they waited to see if the Spider-Man musical did well to gauge whether it would be worth it or not. And well, if you know how absolutely disastrous Spider-Man Turn Off The Dark was you already know what the conclusion was.
Anyway, I actually kind of like some of these songs can't lie. I listen occasionally. Like Land of the Pigs and Dark Entwined with Darkness. Not half bad. Though I guess it's a bit of cheating since they got Jim fucking Steinman to write their shit.
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