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Humble Architect said:
my favorite from the Byrne run is when him and Lois are going to cover some event and they meet up at his place, he’s still getting ready (laser shaving) and while he’s doing so, Lois goes over to his weights and pretty much just says, “This is pussy weight, you’re pathetic.”
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they do a inversion of this in Lois and Clark but it's framed as more of her just being weirded out by him because she goes in his apartment and sees he only has junk food, useless dumbbells and he's getting dressed and sees he's ripped and is like what the fuck is up with this guy? It's one of the early moments that probably are seeding the idea he's superman to her.

Lois and Clark and their relationship is a big thing I miss in media. I don't mind us starting with them together and she already knows (if that's what they're doing) but their dynamic fucking sucks in everything these days. Lois should be kind of a blunt mean bitch and Clark takes it and gives it back to her which almost nobody can do but him, which is why she likes him. The CW show made him a subservient husband who never puts his foot down, BvS and Justice League made him basically need her around to cry and be sad to, and the anime makes them all have gay stock anime character personalities that are annoying as fuck and he likes her kawaii I'm so quirky-ness that's decidedly not Lois Lane in any way shape or form.

they're really not a hard couple to write I don't know why they don't just do it properly. Lois is cynical and might come across as mean but intelligent lady and Clark can take what she gives her and dish it back to her and she's impressed by their banter, he's also smart, and the fact his farmboy optimism is actually the guy and not an act. but he's also got the manly edge to him going on a girl raised by a military father would want. plus he's a space alien god man but that's neither here nor there. they're both reporters out to do good.

remember when Clark was a reporter out to do good in his day job too when he isn't Superman? I fucking do but nobody making Superman material does, and they think that is exclusively Lois' entire personality and she's the only person with a press pass who does anything. and they just make Clark a doting retard who probably should get fired because he doesn't do anything but encourage his wife and not write stories at all, let alone about anything important or of substance.
 
God, if you exist, you will give me a Question noir show thats good, and doesnt give the question weird supernatural powers

Please? Pretty please? my favorite hero is forgotten
 
Lois and Clark and their relationship is a big thing I miss in media. I don't mind us starting with them together and she already knows (if that's what they're doing) but their dynamic fucking sucks in everything these days. Lois should be kind of a blunt mean bitch and Clark takes it and gives it back to her which almost nobody can do but him, which is why she likes him. The CW show made him a subservient husband who never puts his foot down, BvS and Justice League made him basically need her around to cry and be sad to, and the anime makes them all have gay stock anime character personalities that are annoying as fuck and he likes her kawaii I'm so quirky-ness that's decidedly not Lois Lane in any way shape or form.

they're really not a hard couple to write I don't know why they don't just do it properly. Lois is cynical and might come across as mean but intelligent lady and Clark can take what she gives her and dish it back to her and she's impressed by their banter, he's also smart, and the fact his farmboy optimism is actually the guy and not an act. but he's also got the manly edge to him going on a girl raised by a military father would want. plus he's a space alien god man but that's neither here nor there. they're both reporters out to do good.
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Actually Lois being more of a nicer, kinder woman is something I think works way better if you want to write a genuine heartfelt romance between her and Clark. Lois as a cranky bitch only works if you write her and Clark as having some belligerent attraction to one another, having a brief fling and then deciding that it won't work and going back to friendly colleagues roasting each other over stupid shit. Otherwise you end up with something that was unfortunately a bit too common in the Post-Crisis era which is Lois being a BPD psycho and Clark a passive doormat who won't leave her because she keeps his balls in her purse.

That being said I never particularly cared for Clark and Lois as a couple so it doesn't matter to me either way (and yes, I know it's "tradition" because she was the first but so was Julie Madison and barely anybody gives a fuck about her when it comes to Batman comics). At this point I'd be more impressed with a piece of Superman media where Lois isn't front-and-center as far as supporting cast goes.
 
msd said:
God, if you exist, you will give me a Question noir show thats good, and doesnt give the question weird supernatural powers

Please? Pretty please? my favorite hero is forgotten
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Only if he's written the way Steve Ditko intended him, not how he was written by his many later, lesser writers.

And yes, that includes Dennis O'Neil.
 
ArthuriusMartyrius said:
Actually Lois being more of a nicer, kinder woman is something I think works way better if you want to write a genuine heartfelt romance between her and Clark.
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It's like an act. its her defense mechanism. making her too nice on the exterior strips her of her entire character and makes her relationship with Clark basically be nothing because it stops him from being the thing that broke through her shell and just makes them boring as fuck and lose any real chemistry. and her upbringing makes her like that.

Clark being a doormat is the exact opposite of that dynamic.

I agree I'd be more impressed if she's not front and center, the problem is they give her all the agency and make her solve (or be the solution) to every problem in his life, and that sucks.
 
el bandito loco said:
I agree I'd be more impressed if she's not front and center, the problem is they give her all the agency and make her solve (or be the solution) to every problem in his life, and that sucks.
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Lois became the female power fantasy with most of her new adaptations being heavily written by women. She is a basic women that ends up being the great detective that solves the case, then gets to breed super genes with the biggest chad in DC. This is also why I don't see them going back, most women didn't care about Superman till Lois became a femcel fantasy and can pump out fujo bait in the form of Johnathan Kent.

My Adventures with Superman was a majority female writing staff, I doubt the CW was much different. There was also that book 'Girl Taking Over,' which was some Asian women's power fantasy as she saw herself in Lois Lane as a child. Hilariously, MAWS is similar for having some asian women see herself in Lois.

ArthuriusMartyrius said:
At this point I'd be more impressed with a piece of Superman media where Lois isn't front-and-center as far as supporting cast goes.
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She is too important/popular for that. If anything, like Batman, I think Superman now works well when you move past the early years. I have a fondness for the older Superman and Lois as they graduate to parents and the writers flesh out the Super family & their relations to the Bat Family/DC super community.
 
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Basic Blond Boy said:
Lois became the female power fantasy with most of her new adaptations being heavily written by women. She is a basic women that ends up being the great detective that solves the case, then gets to breed super genes with the biggest chad in DC. This is also why I don't see them going back, most women didn't care about Superman till Lois became a femcel fantasy and can pump out fujo bait in the form of Johnathan Kent.
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the problem is making that the norm instead of the exception. I don't like her as a useless damsel in distress and she should figure out and solve stuff, but within reason and not be the real protagonist 70% of the time. her being an integral character is fine, just not at the cost of Clark's own agency or intelligence. they're partners and equals in their field. really I think the major issues tend to be with the balance of the supporting cast, too many people with regards to superman and think the cultural osmosis version of the character is untouchable and they have to do that because they're idiots and don't get it at all and so they give any development or just interesting things to anyone else, or have him purely as a reactionary character to whatever someone else is doing.
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
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Does James Gunn Superman look weird because special effects in movies are getting worse or new Superman less muscular compared to Henry Cavill and the CW Superman?
 
Didn't Lois kick a gangster on the balls in her first appearance? She was always strong minded. Yes, it is annoying that feminists latch on to the fact that she kicked a man but not why. Modern feminism mistakes being rude and mean to men as being empowered when in reality, Lois was brave because she stood up to an evil and dangerous man.
 
Battlefield2142EU said:
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Does James Gunn Superman look weird because special effects in movies are getting worse or new Superman less muscular compared to Henry Cavill and the CW Superman?
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As your meme states, his cinematographer is incompetent. If his goal is to replicate Donner Superman... well, those were movies made in the 1980s and were not in UHD 4K resolution. If those movies looked goofy, it's because there wasn't much choice back then. Now, looking blandly lit is a choice and probably the wrong one at that.
 
The Nothingness said:
When you think about it, you can count on one hand the episodes that have Diana stand out. "The Savage Time" arc where she meets Steve Trevor in the past and later the present, "Maid of Honor" where she acts as a big sister for Princess Audrey, "Hawk and Dove" where she cannot defeat the Annihilator by fighting it, and "To Another Shore" even if she was used a mouthpiece to push the global warming agenda.
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Her dedicated episodes are the only real problem I have with DCAU WW.

I think her characterisation is actually quite good. She's a naive idealist, a champion for causes who has grown up as an actual princess among a society of female warriors. Yes, on the surface she appears quite similar to Hawkgirl because she's a fighter etc., but once you pay attention to them, you can see their personalities are polar opposites. They don't think the same way, they don't talk the same way, their judgements are worlds apart. They are culturally and temperamentally completely different. This Diana is not a brawler, and she's not a tomboy. She's a supernaturally skilled athlete who only uses her physical abilities when she feels forced to (but, being a princess unused to criticism, that happens more often than she expects early on, like when she punches the television in frustration at Godfrey - yet when Toyman 'kills' Superman, she doesn't take his head off despite her grief.) She'd rather talk things out. Can you imagine telling Hawkgirl to just talk things out?

Personally, I think that is a much better character for modern WW than other attempts we've seen. It actually has a lot of room for exploration, and allows her to play off DCAU Batman and Superman quite well. Ignoring all other context, if you just take the them as people, it is not difficult to imagine a world where Bruce and Diana are married, and their best friends are Clark and Lois. Their personalities all gel together in just the right way. The Trinity, in turn, serve as a contrast to what are essentially their bizarro counterparts in GL (the Batman), Flash (the Superman) and Hawkgirl (the Wonder Woman). J'onn is the 'mediator' between the two groups.

Unfortunately for the DCAU, Diana's episodes often shafted her. The Savage Time is a nice homage to the Golden Age, but there's so much going on that nothing has time to be fully developed. Fury is among the worst JL episodes. Hawk and Dove is quite possibly the worst JLU episode of all. To Another Shore is also among the worst. This Little Piggy had a great set-up but then, of course, turned her into a pig so she couldn't talk for most of it.

Maid of Honor and The Balance are two that stand out as actually fleshing out her personality for a whole episode, and Shayera sums up their relationship at the end of the latter - they are oil and water. If you buy into MBTI or its many spin-offs, Diana is an ENFP and Shayera is an ISTP. These are actually about as far apart as you can get in temperament terms. They don't understand each other at all. Take Starcrossed - Diana is the most upset out of everyone with Shayera's actions, and that's not just because she betrayed the League. Diana is not the kind of person who could act as a spy in the first place. She's enough of a fish out of water trying to adjust to the world she volunteered to enter, and she just wants to be who she really is, rather than lie. Shayera is ok with lying if it works, which makes her a great spy. She struggles to be openly 'herself', and isn't even sure who that person is at times.

Which of the two ladies you prefer probably depends on your personality as much as anything else.
 
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Lot of 90s to 2000s DC cartoons getting discussed recently on here. May as well bring this thread back to say welcome potential DC animation friends!

Time to create the Brave & The Bold thread, the true best DC animation:
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
Lot of 90s to 2000s DC cartoons getting discussed recently on here. May as well bring this thread back to say welcome potential DC animation friends!

Time to create the Brave & The Bold thread, the true best DC animation:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nk-Nqbl-5rI:161
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To bring that together with the current DCAU WW discussion, BatB had the best Wonder Woman. Using the original theme and sound effects from the 70's show was inspired. Also, the show had a tonne of subtle humour like Steve Trevors cooing at the two women having a cat fight. It's clearly working for him.,,


 
Incecticyder said:
Didn't Lois kick a gangster on the balls in her first appearance?
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I love when Lois loses it.

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One thing that tends to get overlooked is that Clark is an alien, standing off the side, raising an eyebrow at all the unpredictable humans, and Lois is the most illogical of them all. That’s what set her apart from other romantic interests in comics. It’s a shame they’ve toned her down and made her more mild-mannered. Maybe it's because they don’t want her to fall into "manic pixie". But when she's just "a reporter," she loses her edge.
 
Captain Syrup said:
I love when Lois loses it.

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One thing that tends to get overlooked is that Clark is an alien, standing off the side, raising an eyebrow at all the unpredictable humans, and Lois is the most illogical of them all. That’s what set her apart from other romantic interests in comics. It’s a shame they’ve toned her down and made her more mild-mannered. Maybe it's because they don’t want her to fall into "manic pixie". But when she's just "a reporter," she loses her edge.
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Lois is an Army Brat. She is not illogical but she is a curious reporter though. She gets into more trouble than she can deal with but she is also determined to risk her life too for the truth.
 
Incecticyder said:
Lois is an Army Brat. She is not illogical
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I keep forgetting that the newer versions of her character lean hard into her army background. But she had ambitions that went beyond Military. If I’m not mistaken, it was a big sticking point between her and Sam.
 
Captain Syrup said:
I keep forgetting that the newer versions of her character lean hard into her army background. But she had ambitions that went beyond Military. If I’m not mistaken, it was a big sticking point between her and Sam.
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Yes, she had other ambitions but her military background gives her a no-nonsense attitude even as a reporter. SJWs like to pretend that she was a damsel in distress because she was not as strong as Clark but forget the times she did so her strength or her moral character. She is someone on top of her career too. But nothing is good enough for them.
 
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