DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Humble Architect]

You can call me a sensitive fag if it comes off like this but I got a bit of an issue with the Absolute shit making Jeffery Epstein into a character gimmick for their not-Pennywise.

You don’t get to call the elites satanic pedophiles while being on the payroll of the elite satanic media company pushing demoralizing propaganda.

 

[el bandito loco]

You can call me a sensitive fag if it comes off like this but I got a bit of an issue with the Absolute shit making Jeffery Epstein into a character gimmick for their not-Pennywise.

You don’t get to call the elites satanic pedophiles while being on the payroll of the elite satanic media company pushing demoralizing propaganda.

Is that what Joker is? I heard the newest issue is all about him but I'm only reading Absolute Supes and Manhunter, I read the first issue of Absolute Batman & Wonder Woman, and absolutely didn't like either.

 

[Humble Architect]

Is that what Joker is? I heard the newest issue is all about him but I'm only reading Absolute Supes and Manhunter, I read the first issue of Absolute Batman & Wonder Woman, and absolutely didn't like either.

He’s just Pennywise and Epstein merged in a traditional Bruce Wayne skin. Honestly it felt like someone time-travelled and ripped off the new additions to the Pennywise mythos from “Welcome to Derry.”

Awful

 

[Newcomer 42]

You can call me a sensitive fag if it comes off like this but I got a bit of an issue with the Absolute shit making Jeffery Epstein into a character gimmick for their not-Pennywise.

He’s just Pennywise and Epstein merged in a traditional Bruce Wayne skin

...What.
Wow, 3 times they shit on Bruce Wayne, considering that it seems "Rich Joker" uses not-Venom (as in, the Marvel alien), and the opposite of rich Bruce Wayne should be poor Wayne, not a middle class one with a living mom (instead of having both parents alive, which should have been the "proper" opposite), and yet somehow able to asspull all kinds of gear. Oh, and it's not even all elites, as I recall the first issue having random mobsters being killed by the EEEVILER! rich parodies.

 

[Immaputsomedirtinyoureye]

Still containing the tradition of white women fucking dogs.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

The foundation of the Gunnverse is rotten. You could do a cheap Supergirl movie where she is struggling to get out of her cousin's shadow. Where her arc is learning that sometimes just saving people and the knowledge of a job well done is more important and you don't have to live for fame and adulation. But that would require an emotionally mature Superman to impart life lessons onto his cousin which she rejects at first. But later realizes the importance of. But of course we can't do something like that.

One of the nice parts about DC as opposed to Marvel is the simplicity of its heroes. You can have a Supergirl story where she's just this bright and sunny teenage girl trying to do good like her cousin. I like gritty internal struggles as much as the next person, but Supergirl is the wrong character for it.

This... this is just a Captain Marvel movie with a--and I can't believe I'm saying this--less attractive lead.

 

[Humble Architect]

...What.
Wow, 3 times they shit on Bruce Wayne, considering that it seems "Rich Joker" uses not-Venom (as in, the Marvel alien), and the opposite of rich Bruce Wayne should be poor Wayne, not a middle class one with a living mom (instead of having both parents alive, which should have been the "proper" opposite), and yet somehow able to asspull all kinds of gear. Oh, and it's not even all elites, as I recall the first issue having random mobsters being killed by the EEEVILER! rich parodies.

My thing is the Absolute universe so clearly is just the Mark Millar universe (Nemesis is what Absolute Joker should’ve been) but less sincere because it’s publishing a “the elite are satanic monsters” narrative, which is true but it’s from a company Larry Fink’s cabal has it’s claws in.

It’s the same thing the Boys did, taking a legitimate, real issue and making it an outlandish joke, which discredits it. Now I’m not saying Scott Snyder is a tool of the system, he’s just a fucking idiot who clearly wants to edge-farm a real issue, the victims of which are still kicking and the president himself is downplaying it.

Plus a world “made by Darkseid” to torture our heroes wouldn’t be this boring, it’d be Earth-3.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I like the Kara that could be. The idea. Someone from an alien culture stuck in some primitive world. It should be jarring for her and traumatic. But depictions almost never lean into that. At most they brush over it quickly to get to the quirky fun Supergirl.

Kara is the ultimate potential women. She has great material, but DC consistently changes the character and can never truly settle on anything.

Peak Kara is hidden somewhere in a combination of Tomorrowverse, Batman & Superman, Injustice 2 and DCSHG. She should be a Superman with more of a disconnect from humanity given her being from an entirely different world, and unlike Clark, actually living within it for years. She is also decently temperamental and a bit more cocky/confident than Clark, trying to separate herself from him. If anything, she should be a reverse Dick Grayson, a character who is more like Bruce on the outside who adapts many of Clark's traits internally. She should theoretically have the surrogate parent relationship with Bruce that Dick has with Clark, her personality and upbringing should be a bit more in line with his - plus the Batman, angry teenage girl pair up would be fun.

They should also give her more relationships to play off of. Barbara Gordon is the most obvious pair up for the World's Finest women. Extra points if they make Kara a bit of a tech geek like the Tomorrowverse so they have something to relate on. Giving Kara the DCSHG brand would be cool, allowing her to pair up with more neglected female legacy characters around her age since she doesn't have a main group like the Titans or Young Justice.

 

[Humble Architect]

Kara is the ultimate potential women. She has great material, but DC consistently changes the character and can never truly settle on anything.

Peak Kara is hidden somewhere in a combination of Tomorrowverse, Batman & Superman, Injustice 2 and DCSHG. She should be a Superman with more of a disconnect from humanity given her being from an entirely different world, and unlike Clark, actually living within it for years. She is also decently temperamental and a bit more cocky/confident than Clark, trying to separate herself from him. If anything, she should be a reverse Dick Grayson, a character who is more like Bruce on the outside who adapts many of Clark's traits internally. She should theoretically have the surrogate parent relationship with Bruce that Dick has with Clark, her personality and upbringing should be a bit more in line with his - plus the Batman, angry teenage girl pair up would be fun.

They should also give her more relationships to play off of. Barbara Gordon is the most obvious pair up for the World's Finest women. Extra points if they make Kara a bit of a tech geek like the Tomorrowverse so they have something to relate on. Giving Kara the DCSHG brand would be cool, allowing her to pair up with more neglected female legacy characters around her age since she doesn't have a main group like the Titans or Young Justice.

I always thought the solution was in Earth-2 Kara.

She should crash AFTER Lois and Clark get hitched and be adopted for her last few teenage years…….. like Robin. Her and Clark ideally should have a reverse Batman/Robin dynamic initially, where the main hero is cheery and the sidekick is a bit grumpy and jaded. Which leads to the the same brother/dad relationship Dick and Bruce have, where Kara is Clark’s cousin, but he’s a big brother figure and he’s old enough to impart wisdom. Essentially, Clark and Lois should be her Ma and Pa Kent, taking an alien into their home and showing her that the backwater dustball isn’t all bad.

The best depiction was Superman/Batman Apocalypse because it trimmed the fat of that story and Clark was at his most dad-like.

Kara should age into Power Girl, maybe she’s a Titan when Jon is born to “get out” and let the Kents raise the kid.

Just integrate her better into the world.

I like KC Power Girl how she doesn’t say much but is unflinchingly loyal to her cousin and is his “bodyguard,” in such a dark story, it’s good to see the two still having each other’s back. It also makes the ending all the more brutal.

 

[Newcomer 42]

My thing is the Absolute universe so clearly is just the Mark Millar universe (Nemesis is what Absolute Joker should’ve been) but less sincere because it’s publishing a “the elite are satanic monsters” narrative, which is true but it’s from a company Larry Fink’s cabal has it’s claws in.

I heard about Nemesis, but never read it. Is it about a rich guy playing to be Batman but randomly killing people, right? Not sure how you can make a lengthy story out of that.
Also, Absolute Batman is Batman Earth Three, you know, that comic where a more realistic take on Batman was done, sadly rushed.

It’s the same thing the Boys did, taking a legitimate, real issue and making it an outlandish joke, which discredits it. Now I’m not saying Scott Snyder is a tool of the system, he’s just a fucking idiot who clearly wants to edge-farm a real issue, the victims of which are still kicking and the president himself is downplaying it.

I recall reading about a rapist supervillain who had the baby laser-eye his way out of the poor mom, edgy to the max. I dunno if the show goes that far. Or who's the show for.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

not-Venom (as in, the Marvel alien),

the wife scrolled past a youtube video with a thumbnail of him and holy shit I'm mildly suspicious that's literally traced from MvC1 or Lethal Protector or something

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I know a lot of people loved Batman: The Animated Series (despite the fact that there were many weak or weird episodes—there were episodes where Batman faced off against an android clone of himself or traveled to Japan to fight a ninja or got kidnapped by a fat guy who forced him to work him in a gold mine, and these sorts of episodes are never talked about, but then no one gets mad at how badly the series was screwed over; first with the animation change of "The New Adventures of Batman and Superman" by adding Superman into the mix (though I did enjoy the three-part crossover episode, "World's Finest"), then folding both of them into Justice League while brushing over what would've been the next Superman season (regaining the trust of Earth after the whole Apokolips incident) but Batman got it worse not only because of an even stupider-looking costume with pointier ears, having no episodes with Batman villains and getting screwed over by the Bat-Embargo, and then giving Batman the worst ending possible and Bat-cucking Terry's dad by making not only Batman Beyond canon but Terry Bruce's biological son. (I liked Batman Beyond for the most part--great theme song, but almost none of the villains survived for more than a few episodes).

What would've been great would be if they found a way to continue Batman's story through another series post-Justice League, but without the restraints that censors had put on the series, which would allow villains like Mr. Zsasz to show up, more adaptations from the Batman Adventures comic book series and from the Batman mythos.

I know they made stand-alone animated films with the same VAs, most notably The Killing Joke but it wasn't in the same continuity (the relation with Barbara is notably different). It's a shame that the only episode with Batgirl, Tim Drake Robin, and Nightwing was an extended dream sequence.

The more I think about it the more problems there are, though—Tim Drake's arc is not going to get much better if you adapt "Death in the Family" and swap out Jason Todd for Tim Drake (even if you spare his life). "Mask" (from the Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight series would be an excellent episode with proper execution but it's also kind of similar to "Perchance to Dream"...and if I recall it was Bruce Timm and Paul Dini, after all, who were responsible for screwing up everything in the first place. You could tell that they wanted things to be more woke (more than the comic books, even) if the censors didn't catch on.

All I'm saying is that while I wish that there were more episodes, I'm 100% sure that it would also be a monkey's paw wish and that we would be worse off with it.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

What would've been great would be if they found a way to continue Batman's story through another series post-Justice League, but without the restraints that censors had put on the series, which would allow villains like Mr. Zsasz to show up, more adaptations from the Batman Adventures comic book series and from the Batman mythos.

You could just play the Arkham games, they are essentially BTAS without the censors. The LEGO series is also pretty similar and feels like an unofficial continuation of the DCAU.

 

[Overly Serious]

You could just play the Arkham games, they are essentially BTAS without the censors. The LEGO series is also pretty similar and feels like an unofficial continuation of the DCAU.

I feel the Arkham games are a lot heavier on the realism. In B:TAS I seem to recall things like Riddler having giant typewriters and other such gimmicky props. In Arkham City he has rusty cages hanging from chains. It's not just a matter of censors. It's a great deal less, for want of a better word, cartoonish.

 

[Humble Architect]

Arkham was weird, especially Knight where it’s arguable that Ivy was a better LI than any of the other chicks in the series, I get Arkham Bats due to to “this all happened in one night” nature of the games doesn’t have time for hijinks unless they’re the gay clown but it’s weird how Selina was divorced from the plot completely and that game was the last time we got the old Ivy, before she got replaced by the “do no wrong dyke”.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

Count me in as another saying Arkham is just "mature" BTAS in that sense. It is Paul Dini's writing in the end, after all. His guest issues on Detective Comics so many ages ago had the same "BTAS, but mature" sense as well.

 

[el bandito loco]

Count me in as another saying Arkham is just "mature" BTAS in that sense. It is Paul Dini's writing in the end, after all. His guest issues on Detective Comics so many ages ago had the same "BTAS, but mature" sense as well.

they weren't even guest issues, he had a fully fledged run for like 5 years. he was doing Detective while Morrison did Batman up through Batman RIP.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

That’s on me then, I only remembered few specific issues. My bad, lads.

 

[Calandrino]

I'm really enjoying the fallout from the Superman movie because it really is a example of the Conscious viewer versus the Vibes viewer.

Most of this is due to The Little Platoon's review making a good point early on:

The entire movie has no reason to continue on after the first 15-30 minutes because if Lex's plan is to kill/capture Superman, did he have UltraMan leave him alive after beating him bad enough he needed healing at The Fortress of Solitude?

I hate defending this movie but I don't consider all the "why didn't Lex just..." criticisms valid. Lex's motive was to validate his own ego by proving that his suspicions about Superman were true. He didn't want to simply kill Superman (initially), he wanted to injure him enough to lead him to his lair and search for evidence. He kept him alive after capturing him because he really thought Superman had some dark secrets to give up. In his mind, he wasn't framing Superman, he was proving to the world that he was right about him.

Yeah, it's pretty stupid that he left Superman guarded by a guy who could restore his powers with no surveillance. And it's pretty convenient that Lex guessed right about the Kryptonians in the first place. And that he was able to coincidentally find such damning evidence. And it's a little doubtful that he could decode the message when none of the stuff in the Fortress could, and that experts were so sure that an alien message made with super-science couldn't be forged. And it's dumb that Supergirl didn't know that Kryptonians were evil, or at least that Clark's parents were evil, or that she never told him, or whatever. tbh, I'll respect the Supergirl movie writers a little if they even try to address that instead of hoping nobody thinks about it. And it's lame that Superman starts the movie mortally injured and spends the rest of it getting his ass beat... that's how people who hate the character try to make him "relatable" and it never works, it just makes him look like a loser.

But the part where Lex didn't kill Superman at the beginning, yeah I thought that made sense. Great writing, that part.

Because this Lex is too OP and he needs to be nerfed by making bad decisions.

And there's that too. Mxy levels of "this guy should have better stuff to do".

 

[The Nothingness]

The Gunn nuts/bots are out in full force with Az's reaction to the Supergirl trailer. Some even claiming that Kara will grow out of her cynical attitude by the end of the movie. It's the middle of the 2020s, what is the likelihood a female protagonist in a capeshit movie will be in the wrong and have character development