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Thetan said:
I wonder if Outward Bound would help Jace? It might help disabuse him of some of his tough guy notions / illusions. It's a great program, and it really builds character and self-esteem (I did it when I was 17). The Maine wilderness program (which is the one I did) isn't too far away and, from what I've heard about Jace's family, they should be able to afford it. It's not psycho therapy, but it would certainly be more beneficial than Jesus camp. The whole rugged outdoor self-sufficiency thing might appeal to the tough guy pull yourself up by your own bootstraps survivalist in him. Then again, he might not last long. There's always the potential of him wimping out, and his presence could be disruptive / annoying to the other participants.
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I thought the main reason Gail put him in Jesus Camp over anywhere else was because of the religious aspect. If someone suggested to her that Outward Bound would help, would she even be interested in it? Although Jace does seem somewhat interested in the outdoors, judging by the homeless videos and a few other things.
 
As long as he doesn't try to make himself a grilled cheese in his room I think the odds of him burning to death will go down to about 40/60.
 
Gimpy said:
I thought the main reason Gail put him in Jesus Camp over anywhere else was because of the religious aspect. If someone suggested to her that Outward Bound would help, would she even be interested in it? Although Jace does seem somewhat interested in the outdoors, judging by the homeless videos and a few other things.
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If nothing else, it would clean him out. He wouldn't have any access to drugs or alcohol for the entire 14 days of the program. Outward Bound has proven successful for a lot of "at risk" youth, so there's a chance it would work for Jace. As I said in my earlier post, one of his biggest challenges would be his abrasive personality. The Outward Bound program is big on teamwork and cooperation. Participants are expected to show empathy and compassion for their fellow classmates. These are areas where I could see Jace having difficulty.
 
Thetan said:
If nothing else, it would clean him out. He wouldn't have any access to drugs or alcohol for the entire 14 days of the program. Outward Bound has proven successful for a lot of "at risk" youth, so there's a chance it would work for Jace. As I said in my earlier post, one of his biggest challenges would be his abrasive personality. The Outward Bound program is big on teamwork and cooperation. Participants are expected to show empathy and compassion for their fellow classmates. These are areas where I could see Jace having difficulty.
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I think it could do him lots of good, but only if he manages to get his mental issues under control beforehand. He needs to start with a clean slate. I hope they can get him to take his meds before the situation deteriorates any further.
 
Thetan said:
If nothing else, it would clean him out. He wouldn't have any access to drugs or alcohol for the entire 14 days of the program. Outward Bound has proven successful for a lot of "at risk" youth, so there's a chance it would work for Jace. As I said in my earlier post, one of his biggest challenges would be his abrasive personality. The Outward Bound program is big on teamwork and cooperation. Participants are expected to show empathy and compassion for their fellow classmates. These are areas where I could see Jace having difficulty.
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For those of us who don't really know about Outward Bound, could you give us an explanation of what it is, and how you feel it could benefit Jace? I took a glance at their wikipedia page but it seems a bit vague.
 
Gimpy said:
For those of us who don't really know about Outward Bound, could you give us an explanation of what it is, and how you feel it could benefit Jace? I took a glance at their wikipedia page but it seems a bit vague.
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From the sounds of it, hardcore boy scouts.
 
Gimpy said:
For those of us who don't really know about Outward Bound, could you give us an explanation of what it is, and how you feel it could benefit Jace? I took a glance at their wikipedia page but it seems a bit vague.
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Well, what it is is pretty self-explanatory. As far as what it could do for Jace, it could help him get more in touch with himself (his real self, not Stryker). It could give him, Jace, a sense of accomplishment which would allow him to take pride in himself rather than living viacariously through his Mary Sue, Stryker. It could also help him learn to get along with and work with others. These are both transferable life skills that could benefit him later on should he manage to actually get a job.
 
Gimpy said:
For those of us who don't really know about Outward Bound, could you give us an explanation of what it is, and how you feel it could benefit Jace? I took a glance at their wikipedia page but it seems a bit vague.
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My sister goes to a school that partners with them, and I'll try to explain it from what she's said: You go hiking/canoeing for a couple weeks with a group and do motivational group exercises whenever you aren't helping around camp,sleeping, or moving between campsites. So it would involve a) being without internet, gamersnax, or weed, b) taking direction from an authority figure and c) interacting with other people, including sharing a tent. I don't see that ending well.
 
Thetan said:
Well, what it is is pretty self-explanatory. As far as what it could do for Jace, it could help him get more in touch with himself (his real self, not Stryker). It could give him, Jace, a sense of accomplishment which would allow him to take pride in himself rather than living viacariously through his Mary Sue, Stryker. It could also help him learn to get along with and work with others. These are both transferable life skills that could benefit him later on should he manage to actually get a job.
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http://www.cracked.com/article_20843_6-shocking-realities-secret-troubled-teen-industry.html
 
Gimpy said:
For those of us who don't really know about Outward Bound, could you give us an explanation of what it is, and how you feel it could benefit Jace? I took a glance at their wikipedia page but it seems a bit vague.
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As cheezy as it sounds, you could also draw a Survivor analogy here. It probably wouldn't take long for Jace to get voted off the island.

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Gorogoroth said:
http://www.cracked.com/article_20843_6-shocking-realities-secret-troubled-teen-industry.html
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I won't reply in detail because I don't want to derail the thread, but yeah, good point. There is rampant abuse in the "troubled teen" industry. I've never heard any complaints about Outward Bound though.
 
The Mass Debater said:
Suddenly a new tweet: "Pastor Faggots trying to get into my room again. Grilled cheese can wait."
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Either bad grammar or more than one pastor. My money is on the former, but seeing as how this situation has been escalating, the latter wouldn't suprise me.

Thetan said:
As cheezy as it sounds, you could also draw a Survivor analogy here. It probably wouldn't take long for Jace to get voted off the island.

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Hell, I can see Jace wanting to be voted off the island. Is there any way we could suggest this to Gail? I know it would probably be beyond the scope of the forums here, but seeing as what's been happening to Jace recently, it couldn't hurt.
 
Trickie said:
This one really struck me. The depth of which a human can delude himself is incredibly scary.
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When he is on his meds he is a badass marine, a commander, an all-round swell dude everybody loves. Then after he takes those pills and sobers up a bit from all the toxic waste in his body, he's hit with the truth. And the truth is kind of sad. His friends moved out, started their schools and careers and he lives at home with his mother, commanding an imaginary army. He's talked about this in at least one video I've seen.

I think the medications take away his ability to imagine a better reality for himself. They make him face facts he isn't willing to face and he hates it. Meds make him get real and reality kills his blaze.
 
Jace's determination to live his lifestyle is both admirable and pitiful, especially when he goes to these extreme lengths. If this persists, I'm sure Gail will just call the police and have them break the door down and haul Jace away.
 
Gimpy said:
Either bad grammar or more than one pastor. My money is on the former, but seeing as how this situation has been escalating, the latter wouldn't suprise me.
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I was going for authentic (HIGH REALISM) Jace, with the traditional lack of punctuation and slightly cryptic tweet. Probably shouldn't have used full stops as it was gay and unrealistic.

Gimpy said:
Hell, I can see Jace wanting to be voted off the island. Is there any way we could suggest this to Gail? I know it would probably be beyond the scope of the forums here, but seeing as what's been happening to Jace recently, it couldn't hurt.
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I think first Jace needs a proper medical examination and the subsequent care before anyone else should have to suffer his presence. I agree though that sane Jace would probably really enjoy something like Outward Bound and it would give him something he could be proud of.
 
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