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Doctor of Autism said:
The next matchup is Joker (Persona 5) vs Giorno Giovanna (Jojo)

Honeslty not going to be a fun matchup to powerscale since it could easily be a coin flip

Though if fandom salt is a factor, I want Giorno to win because Persona fans are cringeworthy.
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I've never play Persona so how does Joker counter Giorno's nullifying causation aka he can make you do nothing?
 
Evil Peter Griffin said:
I've never play Persona so how does Joker counter Giorno's nullifying causation aka he can make you do nothing?
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It's a long story but Joker has a lot of OP personas that could potentially do something.

It's a hard matchup to really think of an easy outcome too
 
Valstrax said:
When you think your show is going to die, just spark a controversy. It always works!
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I just watched the Bardock vs Omni-Man fight, and that's definitely what happened here. They still refuse to properly scale DB characters, they're citing the destruction of a sun sized disc while ignoring that Bardock is strong enough to blow the sun up. They really have a hardon for capeshit.
 
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SSj_Ness said:
I just watched the Bardock vs Omni-Man fight, and that's definitely what happened here. They still refuse to properly scale DB characters, they're citing the destruction of a sun sized disc while ignoring that Bardock is strong enough to blow the sun up. They really have a hardon for capeshit.
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Didn’t the crew say in 2012/2013 that DB can’t really be scaled in the usual sense because “Saiyans have a unique genetic makeup that makes them different from others”? I just remember them saying that power levels don’t mean squat.
 
Lone Star said:
It's funny seeing people go "They ALWAYS make Dragon Ball characters lose, they just HATE Dragon Ball!" when Dragon Ball characters have had at least half a dozen victories thus far. I've never seen a more pissy and insecure fandom.
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it's just mexicans dude
 
Random Internet Person said:
Didn’t the crew say in 2012/2013 that DB can’t really be scaled in the usual sense because “Saiyans have a unique genetic makeup that makes them different from others”? I just remember them saying that power levels don’t mean squat.
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I don't remember them saying that Saiyan line, but they did say Power Levels don't mean shit, a conclusion which they came to based primarily on a statement by an official guidebook that said Power Levels eventually become immeasurable. They somehow extrapolated from that to come to the conclusion Power Levels are entirely unreliable and meaningless (I think they literally cited a fan site's quote to that effect to bolster their position), even though that's only true of Power Level readings specifically, because they can be manipulated to deceive opponents. They are actually an integral concept throughout the series, even before they were called Power Levels.

People often say they lost relevance after Z, but in DBS Whis explicitly states Goku broke through Hit's Time Stop solely because he had a higher Power Level, so that couldn't be more wrong. As for scaling, the only reason I remember Death Battle gave for not scaling Goku but scaling every other character ever was some bullshit about his personal experiences or something, I should watch it again because it's funny how quickly they handwaved it away. Some Goku cosplayer must have fucked their girlfriends or something because they really hate DBZ.
 
Doctor of Autism said:
It's a long story but Joker has a lot of OP personas that could potentially do something.

It's a hard matchup to really think of an easy outcome too
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It's an awful match up because it's two characters who, at their peaks, can just say "nu-uh" to any attack and have unblockable instakills. The winner will be whoever the writers jack off to more.

Although, because jojo fans have been really fucking annoying lately, I will say joker's got a slight edge being able to dip into the velvet room if GER tries to diavolo him.
 
Local FloRida-man said:
It's an awful match up because it's two characters who, at their peaks, can just say "nu-uh" to any attack and have unblockable instakills. The winner will be whoever the writers jack off to more.

Although, because jojo fans have been really fucking annoying lately, I will say joker's got a slight edge being able to dip into the velvet room if GER tries to diavolo him.
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Yeah on one hand I want Giorno to win because Persona fans are annoying

On the other hand I want Joker to win just to spite the people satisfied with the bullshit DIO battle
 
SSj_Ness said:
Some Goku cosplayer must have fucked their girlfriends or something because they really hate DBZ.
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That's what I was talking about earlier, Dragon Ball characters have won plenty of times. Yet somehow this becomes the song and dance. And there's a good reason Power Levels essentially vanished after Namek, especially in explicit numerical form. Like you don't think Toriyama sat down and actually thought "Okay, if a character has a Power Level of X, he can do Y." right? It was just a way to point at a character and say "His number is bigger than ours, we're fucked!"

I'm not fond of Dragon Ball powerscaling because a lot of it is tell, don't show, my least favorite kind of powerscaling. Cell is said to be Solar System Level. Why? Because he said he could do it, but never showed off any such power. And then Goku and Vegeta, who were stronger than Cell at the time, were terrified of a planet-busting attack from Kid Buu. Vegeta can't lift 1,000 tons despite (supposedly) being able to destroy planets with his bare fists and so on.
 
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Lone Star said:
That's what I was talking about earlier, Dragon Ball characters have won plenty of times.
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Yeah, it's a little different to throw Hercule a bone over Dan than to have Goku beat Superman.

Lone Star said:
And there's a good reason Power Levels essentially vanished after Namek, especially in explicit numerical form. Like you don't think Toriyama sat down and actually thought "Okay, if a character has a Power Level of X, he can do Y." right? It was just a way to point at a character and say "His number is bigger than ours, we're fucked!"
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They didn't vanish at all, only stopped being represented numerically, I even showed an example of that from the current series.

Toriyama didn't even sit down and think out the plot, let alone the intricacies of power scaling. But if you think a century of Superman comics by dozens if not hundreds of authors is more consistent, by all means, go ahead. Unofficial crossover content is inherently messy and stupid for obvious reasons, especially complicated fiction, because these can hardly withstand self-contained scrutiny let alone blending incompatible and contradictory stories.

Lone Star said:
m not fond of Dragon Ball powerscaling because a lot of it is tell, don't show, my least favorite kind of powerscaling. Cell is said to be Solar System Level. Why? Because he said he could do it, but never showed off any such power. And then Goku and Vegeta, who were stronger than Cell at the time, were terrified of a planet-busting attack from Kid Buu. Vegeta can't lift 1,000 tons despite (supposedly) being able to destroy planets with his bare fists and so on.
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I much prefer being told than shown when there's no good way to do so without feeling pointless. The only way Cell is going to show his power is solar system tier is by blowing one up, so now you need to contrive that just to do what you can in a sentence. Once you reach scales beyond planetary you usually need to tell so it doesn't get messy.

Anyway, just because the attack destroyed a planet doesn't mean it wasn't stronger. Here's something Toriyama should've explained in the manga but made a statement about instead to handwave the issue, that characters have control over their ki to such a degree that attacks which should produce larger destruction don't because of ki control (so a city level attack will only blow up a mountain or whatever). That's basically necessary because we already had moon busting early on, not every attack can take a chunk out of the planet or wipe out a solar system, imagine trying to write around that.

The lifting strength shit never made sense, even in Z. Kid Goku lifted and threw a car with a person inside in the very first chapter of Dragon Ball. His official Power Level was 10, so yeah, I don't think I need to spell out the math on why it's retarded that in Z he couldn't lift 40 tons in the Buu saga despite being much stronger. Nobody ever said this shit was science, it's gook comics and jew comics, the former at least is cool and tries to kinda make sense sometimes.
 
Joker won and honestly it makes some sense though it's pretty funny how every battle kind of is the same for the winner powering up last.

Bowser vs Eggman is next
 
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