Debate Android Raptor about abortion again

[decline]

God created man in His image; in the divine image He created him; male and female He created them -- Gen. 1:27

With (the tongue) we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings who are made in the image of God . . . This ought not be so, brothers -- James 3:9-10

Being human means being created in the image of god. At no point ever are we just a bunch of cells.

Lord, what is man that You care for him, mortal man that You keep him in mind? . . . With glory and honor You crowned him, giving him power over the works of Your hands -- Ps. 8:5-7

God not only created us, he loves us even to the point that he became one of us and died for us.

Be fertile and multiply -- Gen.1:28

I have brought forth a man with the help of the Lord -- Gen 4:1

God is fertile. Love flows into life. And so can woman as His image, who has inherited His gift of fertility, birth life from love.

Truly children are a gift from the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward -- Psalm 127:3

To deny children is to deny life and to deny love, to deny humanity and - ultimately - to deny god.

There is only one creature that does so and it is Satan. Hence, there is no debate about abortion.

OP is in dire need of an exorcism.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

why not, eris? what is inherently wrong with a woman who loves her worms? why does her happiness offend you?

It's less about her and her worms and more about how you think anybody would believe you'd wholeheartedly wish a lunatic woman ecstatically running up to you in celebration with her worms good luck.

You'd rightly think she has a screw lose even if you'd be polite. You wouldn't think like that about her pregnancy instead. Pretending you'd treat both situations the same as if they're indistinguishable is indeed disingenuous.

 

[Dyn]

How did worms even come into this? The decision of whether or not a woman wants to have a child has massive implications over the rest of her life, how is it being equated to whether we'd be happy for a retarded womanchild beaming a tardgrin at us with a handful of earthworms?

 

[Lurker]

It's less about her and her worms and more about how you think anybody would believe you'd wholeheartedly wish a lunatic woman ecstatically running up to you in celebration with her worms good luck.

You'd rightly think she has a screw lose even if you'd be polite. You wouldn't think like that about her pregnancy instead. Pretending you'd treat both situations the same as if they're indistinguishable is indeed disingenuous.

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oh my god, you are so genuinely autistic it hurts.

How did worms even come into this? The decision of whether or not a woman wants to have a child has massive implications over the rest of her life, how is it being equated to whether we'd be happy for a retarded womanchild beaming a tardgrin at us with a handful of earthworms?

hey, i'm not the retard who keeps bringing it up

 

[Dyn]

I thought you were talking about anal buttworms because somebody must have brought up the 'parasite' argument but then I scrolled up and read it and it makes even less sense to me than that.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

oh my god, you are so genuinely autistic it hurts.

Yes, I, the one who can distinguish between a woman's baby shower and a loon with her handful of worms, am the autistic one :stiry:

 

[Lurker]

I thought you were talking about anal buttworms because somebody must have brought up the 'parasite' argument but then I scrolled up and read it and it makes even less sense to me than that.

yeah he's trying to use an analogy where somehow you're disingenuous if you can be happy for both a crazy woman and her earthworms, and a pregnant woman. idk why he used worms specifically, might be him subconsciously comparing babies to parasites, which is SICK and WRONG

Yes, I, the one who can distinguish between a woman's baby shower and a loon with her handful of worms, am the autistic one :stiry:

yes

 

[Dyn]

To keep the discussion moving, I will give @SSj_Ness his precedent on distinguishment by saying there is a clear difference in my feelings towards a woman making an adult woman decision about adult issues, and my feelings towards a weirdo playing in the dirt with earthworms.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I thought you were talking about anal buttworms because somebody must have brought up the 'parasite' argument but then I scrolled up and read it and it makes even less sense to me than that.

Her logic originally was "if it makes her happy" then she'll basically celebrate her friend's pregnancy. Apparently to her the determining factor isn't the value of the baby, just if what the friend is celebrating makes her happy. So, I just applied it to something else to see if she remained consistent or not.

Like an idiot she tried to remain consistent even under ridiculous hypotheticals because she's too stupid to figure out a way to both remain consistent and not celebrate worms.

 

[AnOminous]

Being human means being created in the image of god. At no point ever are we just a bunch of cells.

Yeah. Right.

 

[Lurker]

Her logic originally was "if it makes her happy" then she'll basically celebrate her friend's pregnancy. Apparently to her the determining factor isn't the value of the baby, just if what the friend is celebrating makes her happy. So, I just applied it to something else to see if she remained consistent or not.

Like an idiot she tried to remain consistent even under ridiculous hypotheticals because she's too stupid to figure out a way to both remain consistent and not celebrate worms.

technically worms are more valuable than a clump of cells, so yeah, go worms~

 

[Lurker]

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Yeah. Right.

"no, not like that."

 

[decline]

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Yeah. Right.

Goes does not cause or permit birth defects.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

At no point ever are we just a bunch of cells.

Actually, that's all we ever are. Some retards think we're no longer a clump of cells after being born, yet another magic ability of the birth canal. It confers personhood, sentience, even transmutates our very bodily structure from cell based to whatever they think we are now.

 

[Lurker]

Goes does not cause or permit birth defects.

how does that explain your and @SSj_Ness's existences

 

[Dyn]

Apparently to her the determining factor isn't the value of the baby, just if what the friend is celebrating makes her happy.

Yeah, bringing new life into the world is a massive, joyous, lifechanging occasion for most people and it's a lot easier to empathise with their happiness than it is to understand why a retard is showing you worms. At the same time though, I wouldn't be saying "congratulations I'm so happy for you" if a friend burst into tears telling me she's pregnant and her life is ruined.

 

[decline]

Actually, that's all we ever are. Some retards think we're no longer a clump of cells after being born, yet another magic ability of the birth canal. It confers personhood, sentience, even transmutates our very bodily structure from cell based to whatever they think we are now.

From the widespread held belief that arbitrarily places the birth canal as some sort of purgatory that turns you from an object into a person, you are right.

But no sane person thinks that way. If anything, it is an admission of the limited understanding of man that we have to designate the act of birth as some sort of man making ritual in order to cope with it in our human laws.

 

[Lurker]

Actually, that's all we ever are. Some retards think we're no longer a clump of cells after being born, yet another magic ability of the birth canal. It confers personhood, sentience, even transmutates our very bodily structure from cell based to whatever they think we are now.

akshually we're all stardust

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

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Yeah. Right.

Right. Yeah.

I wouldn't be saying "congratulations I'm so happy for you" if a friend burst into tears telling me she's pregnant and her life is ruined.

But you wouldn't think she's a raving lunatic whether she was shedding tears of joy or sorrow regarding her pregnancy, unlike with the worms. The hypothetical wasn't intended as a coup de grâce, just to establish there's a difference and to see if she'd pretend otherwise.

 

[AnOminous]

Goes does not cause or permit birth defects.

Are you saying he lacks the power to stop them? Because if he doesn't permit them but they occur, that seems to be what you're saying. Oh wait he gave us a way to stop them ourselves. It's called abortion.

Right. Yeah.

That person is sentient and has a functioning brain and a personality. With alobar holoprosencephaly you're usually stillborn, rarely live more than a couple hours, and are (one hopes) never conscious, since the brain hasn't even split into two hemispheres.

Exactly why the fuck should anyone be forced to give birth to a horrible monster who if it experiences anything at all, is just excruciating pain before an early death?