Debate Android Raptor about abortion again

AnOminous said:
And even that's retarded because these dumbfucks think a twelve cell blastocyst is somehow on the moral level of a human.
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This implies that a person somehow becomes a person from previous non-personhood based on the number of cells in their body. You clearly think twelve is too few--so how many does it take to achieve personhood? Can you put a number on it?
 
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gang weeder said:
This implies that a person somehow becomes a person from previous non-personhood based on the number of cells in their body. You clearly think twelve is too few--so how many does it take to achieve personhood? Can you put a number on it?
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No because you can have the proper number of cells and still lack most personhood. Think the Hartley Hooligans.
 
I have no skin in this game but:

(1) Those who claim "my body, my choice" should also add this little addendum: "my responsibility". So if the woman who lives by this "code of honor" decides to abort, then that is her decision. But if she chooses to keep the baby, don't even think of going to court to get your penniless meth head boyfriend to pay child support you hypocrite.

(2) In regards to the abstinence argument: it is most definitely still on the table. Keeping it in your pants is perhaps one of the greatest litmus tests of inner strength. Parents who just fuck like bunnies usually have no self control, and will generally be shitty parents that raise shitty kids. Parents who carefully plan out their ability to birth and raise a kid are usually great parents, and their kids will turn out all right. Try to guess which of these two will be in the market for abortions. Yes, this is an argument for abortion, I'm glad you noticed.

(3) Abortions in the case of danger to the woman, or in the case of unlawful insemination: the decision should always be in the hands of the woman, I don't think that most sane people will have a problem with this point.

Now that we have weeded out the unsavory demographics via abortions: I believe that in normal cases the father and the mother of the unborn should both have an equal say in keeping or terminating the pregnancy. The definitions of when it is to late to terminate should be left up to the democratic processes of the local communities.

Side note: "Even one cell is life" quote by your 9th grade Biology teacher.
 
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AnOminous said:
I already explained why that's a nearly irrelevant question. It certainly isn't a couple hundred though for a nonsentient blob of flesh.
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People cease to be humans when they're temporarily not sentient? Hide the coma patients.
 
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AnOminous said:
I already explained why that's a nearly irrelevant question. It certainly isn't a couple hundred though for a nonsentient blob of flesh.
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That clump of cells is the way to becoming human it's murder of the most vulnerable. Allowing abortion cleared the way to medical assistance in dying aka euthanasia. Abortion being legal has made people not value human life.
 
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okay guys i can solve this once and for all with a question:

if there's a fire and you had to choose between saving several clumps of cells, or an actual living human being, which would you save?

i am very smart, i have solved everything
 
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Lurker said:
okay guys i can solve this once and for all with a question:

if there's a fire and you had to choose between saving several clumps of cells, or many bigger clumps of cells, which would you save?

i am very smart, i have solved everything
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I have a better question, would you save a woman who's not pregnant or the one who's pregnant?
 
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SSj_Ness said:
Why?
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well if they're both equally hot twins then i'd just have to flip a coin.

but pregnancy wouldn't effect my decision. i'd try to save the person most likely to survive.
 
Lurker said:
well if they're both equally hot twins then i'd just have to flip a coin.

but pregnancy wouldn't effect my decision. i'd try to save the person most likely to survive.
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But why not?

How would you reply to a female friend of yours ecstatically breaking the good news to you that she's pregnant with twins?
 
SSj_Ness said:
But why not?

How would you reply to a female friend of yours ecstatically breaking the good news to you that she's pregnant with twins?
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why should i take into account the wellbeing of something that isn't over something that already is? should it not be based purely on the survival of the individual? that's not to say that pregnancy is necessarily a reason to disqualify someone, though. if the other person were in a condition where their chance of survival were lower than the pregnant woman's, then yeah, i'd save the pregnant woman.

"haha, good luck!"
 
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Lurker said:
why should i take into account the wellbeing of something that isn't over something that already is?
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Isn't what, exactly?

Lurker said:
should it not be based purely on the survival of the individual?
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That's if you're already running under the presumption of the unborn "not counting" because of your own subjective and dubious reasoning.

Lurker said:
that's not to say that pregnancy is necessarily a reason to disqualify someone, though. if the other person were in a condition where their chance of survival were lower than the pregnant woman's, then yeah, i'd save the pregnant woman.

"haha, good luck!"
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Pretty brief... In what manner would you say that? Would you be sharing in her joy and be wishing her a good pregnancy? Trying to get a read on you there.
 
SSj_Ness said:
Isn't what, exactly?


That's if you're already running under the presumption of the unborn "not counting" because of your own subjective and dubious reasoning.


Pretty brief... In what manner would you say that? Would you be sharing in her joy and be wishing her a good pregnancy? Trying to get a read on you there.
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simply "isn't". i mean, unless you're equating a clump of cells to an already established human life. hence, something that "is" and something that "isn't".

it's not born. it's literally unborn. "not born". in terms of survival, yeah, i'm gonna pick the established person over the clump of cells. you never specified in your initial question how pregnant the woman is, so i'm just going to assume 'not very'. but let's say it's developed into a fetus with all the bells and whistles and shit, like 8 months, in a scenario where the survival of the individual matters, that fetus still wouldn't play a role in my decision. soz.

i'd certainly be happy for her, if it makes her happy. why, eris?
 
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