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Dyn said:
Wait does America actually give welfare payments to illegal immigrants? I thought that was just a right-wing meme, why would any country ever agree to do that? That's fucking insane lmao.
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Which is why a lot of people are a bit mad that we still pay for border security, border agencies, and the like and yet not only do they provide poor border security, they’re giving government benefits to those who cross our border illegally.
 
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Shidoen said:
Which is why a lot of people are a bit mad that we still pay for border security, border agencies, and the like and yet not only do they provide poor border security, they’re giving government benefits to those who cross our border illegally.
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No shot are you letting illegal immigrants sign up for welfare that's absolutely fucking retarded, why would any country ever do that? Especially why would the USA do that? You're the most welfare-hating and immigrant-hating country in the western world, you don't even like giving welfare to your own citizens. This is mind-blowing I always thought this was a parody of retard conservatives who don't understand how welfare works.
 
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Dyn said:
No shot are you letting illegal immigrants sign up for welfare that's absolutely fucking retarded, why would any country ever do that? Especially why would the USA do that? You're the most welfare-hating and immigrant-hating country in the western world, you don't even like giving welfare to your own citizens. This is mind-blowing I always thought this was a parody of retard conservatives who don't understand how welfare works.
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It seems you only care about being critical of the States instead of trying to fully understand what problems we face. I get it, you're someone overtly critical of the infamous American empire (which I hate just as much as anyone should). This is why we have such hatred and such loathing for these things, they're being used against our own citizens. Not to say your country doesn't have any problems, I just don't take the time to care about it since I worry about my country and its people.
 
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It seems you only care about being critical of the States instead of trying to fully understand what problems we face. I get it, you're someone overtly critical of the infamous American empire (which I hate just as much as anyone should). This is why we have such hatred and such loathing for these things, they're being used against our own citizens. Not to say your country doesn't have any problems, I just don't take the time to care about it since I worry about my country and its people.
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No I just straight-up can't believe you let illegal immigrants sign on for welfare because that would be literally insane.
 
Dyn said:
No I just straight-up can't believe you let illegal immigrants sign on for welfare because that would be literally insane.
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Maybe I should clearly state why such a thing is happening, it's the government and their cronies not the actually people that allow this to happen. Sure you can have some people say "No Human Is Illegal" but do they even take the time to scratch the surface of the issue? If you can't believe, then I guess you haven't done much research.
 
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Maybe I should clearly state why such a thing is happening, it's the government and their cronies not the actually people that allow this to happen. Sure you can have some people say "No Human Is Illegal" but do they even take the time to scratch the surface of the issue? If you can't believe, then I guess you haven't done much research.
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Yeah, but to be fair when the Brits are constantly beaten around and humiliated by their government a lot of Americans are willing to ask why they tolerate it, if the government's honestly handing out that much money to illegals (which I wasn't aware was a thing, but then again I try not to pay too much attention to politics) then the same onus is on people to say that's unacceptable.

Also, again I don't know anything, but doesn't welfare eligibility vary by state? So wouldn't the degree of money thrown at undocumented brown people's faces depend on how HIV+ a state is?
 
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Uberpenguin said:
Yeah, but to be fair when the Brits are constantly beaten around and humiliated by their government a lot of Americans are willing to ask why they tolerate it, if the government's honestly handing out that much money to illegals (which I wasn't aware was a thing, but then again I try not to pay too much attention to politics) then the same onus is on people to say that's unacceptable.

Also, again I don't know anything, but doesn't welfare eligibility vary by state? So wouldn't the degree of money thrown at undocumented brown people's faces depend on how HIV+ a state is?
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All states vary by waiver, limits, and income eligibility. What pisses me off most about welfare, this comes from irl, is that a woman (someone I know) with two kids that works a job that makes just enough money can't get the welfare money needed but a man who does nothing and lazes about is eligible for welfare. As I see it an illegal doesn't participate in our society with their own money, only their labor and even then that labor is underpaid and not taxed properly. It's a very fucked system that has been allowed to persist for far too long and it continues its existence only due to the fuckery of the feds and a few loyalists in the states. Even then on the state level we have some terrible leaders as you can tell by people critical of the South, North, Midwest, and the Coasts.
 
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Shidoen said:
It's a very fucked system that has been allowed to persist for far too long and it continues its existence only due to the fuckery of the feds and a few loyalists in the states.
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I just looked it up and federal law explicitly makes illegal aliens completely ineligable for welfare, medicaid, food stamps, pretty much all forms of government benefits except disaster relief and immunisation, but some blue state governments are being accused by conservatives of not having strong enough safeguards against welfare fraud.

It really doesn't sound like illegals are taking all your welfare money.
 
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Dyn said:
I just looked it up and federal law explicitly makes illegal aliens completely ineligable for welfare, medicaid, food stamps, pretty much all forms of government benefits except disaster relief and immunisation, but some blue state governments are being accused by conservatives of not having strong enough safeguards against welfare fraud.

It really doesn't sound like illegals are taking all your welfare money.
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Our safeguards against them aren't effective enough and I mentioned before that citizens who need welfare aren't getting it and citizens who don't deserve it still get welfare. Illegals aren't taking every penny from these programs but the fact remains they're still part of a bigger problem where people undeserving get this money and people in need are left to rot. Even then Illegals are not even required to reveal their status in order to be granted government benefits. I have a document I saved for this occasion but please point out anything as I have not fully read it yet:
 

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Shidoen said:
Our safeguards against them aren't effective enough and I mentioned before that citizens who need welfare aren't getting it and citizens who don't deserve it still get welfare. Illegals aren't taking every penny from these programs but the fact remains they're still part of a bigger problem where people undeserving get this money and people in need are left to rot. Even then Illegals are not even required to reveal their status in order to be granted government benefits. I have a document I saved for this occasion but please point out anything as I have not fully read it yet:
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That's a 1993 publication. The 1996 laws changed things quite a bit. General overview quoted below; more detail at the cited location:

With some important exceptions detailed below, the [1996] law prohibits not-qualified immigrants from enrolling in most “federal public benefit programs.”[14] Federal public benefits include a variety of safety-net services paid for by federal funds.[15] But the welfare law’s definition does not specify which programs are covered by the term, leaving that clarification to each federal benefit–granting agency. In 1998, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) published a notice clarifying which of its programs fall under the definition.[16] The list of 31 HHS programs includes Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), Medicare, TANF, Foster Care, Adoption Assistance, the Child Care and Development Fund, and the Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program. Any new programs must be designated as federal public benefits in order to trigger the associated eligibility restrictions and, until they are designated as such, should remain open to broader groups of immigrants.

The HHS notice clarifies that not every benefit or service provided within these programs is a federal public benefit. For example, in some cases not all of a program’s benefits or services are provided to an individual or household; they may extend, instead, to a community of people — as in a community clinic or the weatherization of an entire apartment building.[17]

The welfare law also attempted to force states to pass additional laws, after August 22, 1996, if they choose to provide state public benefits to certain immigrants.[18] Such micromanagement of state affairs by the federal government is potentially unconstitutional under the Tenth Amendment.[19]

Exceptions to the Restrictions​

The law includes important exceptions for certain types of services. Regardless of their immigration status, not-qualified immigrants are eligible for emergency Medicaid [20] if they are otherwise eligible for their state’s Medicaid program.[21] The law does not restrict access to public health programs that provide immunizations and/or treatment of communicable disease symptoms (whether or not those symptoms are caused by such a disease). School breakfast and lunch programs remain open to all children regardless of immigration status, and almost every state has opted to provide access to the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC).[22]

Short-term noncash emergency disaster assistance remains available without regard to immigration status. Also exempted from the restrictions are other in-kind services necessary to protect life or safety, as long as no individual or household income qualification is required. In 2001, the U.S. attorney general published a final order specifying the types of benefits that meet these criteria. The attorney general’s list includes child and adult protective services; programs addressing weather emergencies and homelessness; shelters, soup kitchens, and meals-on-wheels; medical, public health, and mental health services necessary to protect life or safety; disability or substance abuse services necessary to protect life or safety; and programs to protect the life or safety of workers, children and youths, or community residents.[23]
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Additional info:
 
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Dyn said:
I just looked it up and federal law explicitly makes illegal aliens completely ineligable for welfare, medicaid, food stamps, pretty much all forms of government benefits except disaster relief and immunisation, but some blue state governments are being accused by conservatives of not having strong enough safeguards against welfare fraud.

It really doesn't sound like illegals are taking all your welfare money.
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It sure doesn't sound like they're getting benefits, which is what makes it all the more insidious that they definitely are. At least in California they do, the offices do it pretty openly too. I have been acquainted with plenty of illegals who used benefit cards.
 
SSj_Ness said:
It sure doesn't sound like they're getting benefits, which is what makes it all the more insidious that they definitely are. At least in California they do, the offices do it pretty openly too. I have been acquainted with plenty of illegals who used benefit cards.
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If they're not checking who you are before they give out welfare, why aren't people just signing up for twelve doses of welfare and living it up? I don't understand how this system could work.
 
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Dyn said:
If they're not checking who you are before they give out welfare, why aren't people just signing up for twelve doses of welfare and living it up? I don't understand how this system could work.
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I don't know the exact process they put illegals through, but I do know they're receiving benefits because of those signs and what I've witnessed.
 
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I don't know the exact process they put illegals through, but I do know they're receiving benefits because of those signs and what I've witnessed.
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Federal laws have many restrictions, and they also left it to states to create their own state-level programs if they choose.

California's Medi-Cal offers the full range of (at least certain) programs to those 19-25 and over 50. More detail:


NY and IL also explicitly have certain programs open to undocumented people. Many states give in-state tuition to students who are undocumented (the Congressional Research Service doc I linked mentions these).

Summary sheet for NY: https://www.legalservicesnyc.org/wh...-immigrants-are-eligible-for-benefit-programs
 
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Federal laws have many restrictions, and they also left it to states to create their own state-level programs if they choose.

California's Medi-Cal offers the full range of (at least certain) programs to those 19-25 and over 50. More detail:


NY and IL also explicitly have certain programs open to undocumented people. Many states give in-state tuition to students who are undocumented (the Congressional Research Service doc I linked mentions these).

Summary sheet for NY: https://www.legalservicesnyc.org/wh...-immigrants-are-eligible-for-benefit-programs
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I love far away enough from the border to where I’m not experiencing the influx but close enough as well to where we still deal with a guck ton of illegals. They could have a better pay if they legally immigrated but almost always they’re just sending money back to their relatives or just marrying someone just to get benefits. It sucks since my mom is a legal immigrant and she had to go through a lot even though she married the military way.
 
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