Debate Android Raptor about abortion again

[Evil Ash]

So much going on here...

Anyways abortion: I agree with the US Supreme Court on this, this issue is best left to the local communities. I know some are more sane than others, but what can we do? It's either police everyone using the same yardstick (one world government/Globohomo) or let their be different strokes for different folks and pray that you are growing up in a place that aligns with your beliefs. At least in the latter case you have a glimps of hope to escape to a more preferable setting, while in the former, your only hope is NASA.

 

[OrionBalls]

I think abortions are a necessary evil. When people actually give a shit about children after birth, maybe it won't be, anymore.

 

[AnOminous]

i hate to inform you that ripping a child out of womb (2% of the time only for serious issues) is not a basic human right.

Yes it is, there is no such thing as an "unborn child." That's just utter bullshit made up nonsense. A cluster of cells the size of a pea is not a "child" and that is 99% or so of abortions.

 

[Shidoen]

Yes it is, there is no such thing as an "unborn child." That's just utter bullshit made up nonsense. A cluster of cells the size of a pea is not a "child" and that is 99% or so of abortions.

Yeah but if that clump of cells is due to the negligence to you know, have safe sex, then you’re just going to have to give birth and give that kid the best it can get

 

[gang weeder]

Yes it is, there is no such thing as an "unborn child." That's just utter bullshit made up nonsense. A cluster of cells the size of a pea is not a "child" and that is 99% or so of abortions.

That's every bit as arbitrary as me declaring that an organism the size of a house cat (an infant) is not a person and to say that they are is just utter bullshit made up nonsense. Labeling a person as a "cluster of cells" (all organisms are clusters of cells) and noting their size, then declaring that this makes them not a person, is a complete non-sequitur.

 

[Dyn]

Yeah but if that clump of cells is due to the negligence to you know, have safe sex, then you’re just going to have to give birth and give that kid the best it can get

lol no you're not just take a bus to a civilised state and get that shit scraped

 

[Shidoen]

lol no you're not just take a bus to a civilised state and get that shit scraped

If it’s so civilized, then why can’t they get themselves in order? I’m pretty sure precautions prevent unwanted pregnancies but I’m also certain most of the time it’s both parties at fault for even having a pregnancy. Oh well, if you didn’t want the child you should’ve worn the rubber or taken the pill.

 

[Dyn]

If it’s so civilized, then why can’t they get themselves in order? I’m pretty sure precautions prevent unwanted pregnancies but I’m also certain most of the time it’s both parties at fault for even having a pregnancy. Oh well, if you didn’t want the child you should’ve worn the rubber or taken the pill.

Yeah but when I spill a glass of milk I just wipe the milk up and never think about it again, I don't go "oh that's my fault for not being careful guess I'll just live with a puddle of milk on my counter forever".

 

[Shidoen]

Yeah but when I spill a glass of milk I just wipe the milk up and never think about it again, I don't go "oh that's my fault for not being careful guess I'll just live with a puddle of milk on my counter forever".

So you fill up a glass of milk, you realize where you put it, you take the time and effort to notice that you did indeed pour a glass of milk, and then you watch as your own hand slides it off the counter. Sex isn’t just an accident, be an adult for a change.

 

[The Cunting Death]

Sex isn’t just an accident

That's not what my mom said to me.

 

[AnOminous]

So you fill up a glass of milk, you realize where you put it, you take the time and effort to notice that you did indeed pour a glass of milk, and then you watch as your own hand slides it off the counter. Sex isn’t just an accident, be an adult for a change.

I mean I'm never going to be in this situation as a dude but if some clump of cells is growing inside me and I don't want a goddamn baby that shit is going away.

 

[Dyn]

So you fill up a glass of milk, you realize where you put it, you take the time and effort to notice that you did indeed pour a glass of milk, and then you watch as your own hand slides it off the counter. Sex isn’t just an accident, be an adult for a change.

Cleaning up after your mistakes is adult behaviour. It makes no difference how the milk gets on the floor, I'm still going to wipe it up afterwards because I don't want to live in a house with stinky sour milk.

"Be more responsible" is probably the worst pro-life argument that comes up because that ship has already sailed. The immutable humanity of the embryo is where all your best arguments are.

 

[AnOminous]

"Be more responsible" is probably the worst pro-life argument that comes up because that ship has already sailed. The immutable humanity of the embryo is where all your best arguments are.

And even that's retarded because these dumbfucks think a twelve cell blastocyst is somehow on the moral level of a human.

 

[Dyn]

And even that's retarded because these dumbfucks think a twelve cell blastocyst is somehow on the moral level of a human.

But it's still up to the pro-choice side to argue why it isn't and draw the line where that changes.

 

[Shidoen]

Cleaning up after your mistakes is adult behaviour. It makes no difference how the milk gets on the floor, I'm still going to wipe it up afterwards because I don't want to live in a house with stinky sour milk.

"Be more responsible" is probably the worst pro-life argument that comes up because that ship has already sailed. The immutable humanity of the embryo is where all your best arguments are.

I’m not pro life or pro choice since I think it’s just a blue and green debacle and it’s retarded to indulge a bunch of politicians or activists who don’t care either way. Another point is I think it should be necessary since plenty of people don’t learn their lesson of safe sex the first abortion either due to poor education or pure ignorance. I’m not going to support someone who knows full well the consequences and then tries to escape their own actions. On the state thing, yeah all states should have a day in what to do with it and if a woman goes to another state for one then let her.

 

[Dyn]

I’m not pro life or pro choice since I think it’s just a blue and green debacle and it’s retarded to indulge a bunch of politicians or activists who don’t care either way.

Women being forced to carry and birth children they don't want is extreme and fucked up. Murdering babies is also extreme and fucked up. I think the people on both sides of this debate have strong and sincerely held opinions on it and it's kind of weird to bump it down to the level of like, should cornflakes put a pride flag on the box or not.

 

[Shidoen]

Women being forced to carry and birth children they don't want is extreme and fucked up. Murdering babies is also extreme and fucked up. I think the people on both sides of this debate have strong and sincerely held opinions on it and it's kind of weird to bump it down to the level of like, should cornflakes put a pride flag on the box or not.

My stance is simply if it’s a threat it should be terminated but if it’s not a threat then pick out your options between abortion or adoption. Abortion facilities shouldn’t be like gas stations or grocery stores, leave them in the metropolitan areas. I’m revolted how it’s taken as a common or minute practice.

 

[Dyn]

My stance is simply if it’s a threat it should be terminated but if it’s not a threat then pick out your options between abortion or adoption. Abortion facilities shouldn’t be like gas stations or grocery stores, leave them in the metropolitan areas.

That is just the normal milquetoast pro-choice stance. I think you've been ingesting too many pro-life talking points if you're coming away with the impression there are 24-hour drivethru abortion clinics popping up everywhere like starbucks franchises so you can get your monthly scrape on the way to polates.

 

[Shidoen]

That is just the normal milquetoast pro-choice stance. I think you've been ingesting too many pro-life talking points if you're coming away with the impression there are 24-hour drivethru abortion clinics popping up everywhere like starbucks franchises so you can get your monthly scrape on the way to polates.

Look, down where I’m out despite being in the South I live near a democrat area. I have seen things in trash cans that would make me critical if such a thing would happen. I understand that it’s not some sort of fast food franchise being opened, however it’s getting to a point.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Yes it is, there is no such thing as an "unborn child." That's just utter bullshit made up nonsense. A cluster of cells the size of a pea is not a "child" and that is 99% or so of abortions.

Every organism has an origin, you're not spontaneously manifested as a fully developed 25 year old matured being. It's arbitrary to say it's okay to kill people just because it's early enough, once you open the door to killing people with your own justifications others can do the same for those such as the elderly or disabled.

No, currently being small and undeveloped is not a proper justification, neither is a temporary lack of consciousness. How about just not ending a growing human life?

And even that's retarded because these dumbfucks think a twelve cell blastocyst is somehow on the moral level of a human.

What species is it if not human then?