Debate Android Raptor on the finer merits of 4th trimester abortions

[Kermit Jizz]

New from Bionicle:

I just made the biggest mistake of my goddamn life today. After my drunken night of debauchery due to my divorce, my acquaintance Stanky Whizzleteats invited me over to his house for an afterparty. I said "yes," because of course I wasn't going to leave a brother hanging like that. I thought it was going to be a small little get-together with a few friends, but it turns out he throws absolute RAGERS. Like, borderline Greek orgy-level shit. It was fucking NUTS.

Anyway, I was offered some acid, and I didn't want to look like a prude, so I said
"ABSOLUTELY, I'll drop some fucking acid. Momma didn't raise a little bitch."
I took the whole tab and everyone is looking at me like I'm batshit insane.
It turns out you're only supposed to take a quarter of the dose of LSD that I just took.
Now I'm in the bathroom, and my dick has now turned into a ravenous serpent that has completely devoured one of my testicles, and is now working on swallowing the other.

I am fucking terrified. What the fuck do I do, guys?

Each nut gulped separately.

I see your quadruple acid dose and raise you one suitcase of powdered drywall.

 

[Shidoen]

I see your quadruple acid dose and raise you one suitcase of powdered drywall.

Here's a quote from my state-mandated therapist:

 

[ScatmansWorld]

for the record, I am pro-eugenics.

Is that "pro-eugenics" as in "Parents should have the freedom to edit their baby's genome like a Bethesda character creator so it doesn't come out retarded and crippled"? Or, "The government should personally control human reproduction and what the "correct" genome is"?

Also, nice post number.

 

[Dyn]

Is that "pro-eugenics" as in "Parents should have the freedom to edit their baby's genome like a Bethesda character creator so it doesn't come out retarded and crippled"?

True chads hit 'randomise' and start playing.

 

[Shidoen]

If that doesn't work we could contact the 'cunt witches' or whatever everyone was being called on the last page for some molly and fairy dust. Maybe ecstacy tablets.

I met a cunt witch once and she was shocked when her hexes had no effect on me. She handed me a crystal and I started to chew on it in defiance.

 

[Dyn]

I met a cunt witch once and she was shocked when her hexes had no effect on me. She handed me a crystal and I started to chew on it in defiance.

What a waste of crystal, you're supposed to at least smoke it.

 

[Shidoen]

What a waste of crystal, you're supposed to at least smoke it.

You’re a waste of a crystal

 

[AgendaPoster]

'm currently b& from the Thunderdome otherwise I'd post this there, and I don't want to get sperging on the subject of abortion itself here, but I want to point out most of the fetus gore shock images thrown around by prolifers are actually medical pics of miscarriages/stillbirths from presumably wanted pregnancies. As unpleasant as it sounds the dead fetus can be stuck in a woman's body rotting for some time so when it finally comes out it might not be in one piece.

So when people post those images claiming they're abortions, they're more than likely posting a wanted pregnancy that didn't make it for whatever reason and was probably one of the worst things the mom has to go through in her life.

See Tard Baby General for more info on all the stuff that can go wrong during fetal development/pregnancy. There's so many gestational anomalies it's kind of amazing anyone comes out alive with the correct number of limbs and chromosomes.

Sorry to say but that does not make any sense nor is it relevant.
There are whole didactic movies of late term abortions online and since I was forced to watch them at university, I assure you they are a horrorshow, just as many surgeries are. There's not some significant difference between the gore of removing a dead fetus and the gore of killing the fetus and removing it.
So I can't see how this is relevant to the late term abortion debate.
Also, what's that b& thing

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Sorry to say but that does not make any sense nor is it relevant.
There are whole didactic movies of late term abortions online and since I was forced to watch them at university, I assure you they are a horrorshow, just as many surgeries are. There's not some significant difference between the gore of removing a dead fetus and the gore of killing the fetus and removing it.
So I can't see how this is relevant to the late term abortion debate.
Also, what's that b& thing

B& = band

 

[AgendaPoster]

B& = band

Who dared janny Raptor off from the Dome?!?

 

[Stan]

Sorry to say but that does not make any sense nor is it relevant.
There are whole didactic movies of late term abortions online and since I was forced to watch them at university, I assure you they are a horrorshow, just as many surgeries are. There's not some significant difference between the gore of removing a dead fetus and the gore of killing the fetus and removing it.
So I can't see how this is relevant to the late term abortion debate.
Also, what's that b& thing

What the fuck kind of seminars are you taking bro?

 

[AgendaPoster]

What the fuck kind of seminars are you taking bro?

Gynecological surgery
Aren't you some sort of Christian? You seem to not give a singular fuck about late term abortions even as it's scientifically a fact that the fetus feels pain at these late stages

 

[Stan]

Gynecological surgery

Ooh, based.

Aren't you some sort of Christian? You seem to not give a singular fuck about late term abortions even as it's scientifically a fact that the fetus feel pain at these late stages

I am. I'm Episcopalian.
And I don't love the big A; which is why I made sure I would never be in a position to need one. That said the most common indication for such a late term termination is stillbirth. (others would be diagnosis incompatible w life, or mom's going to die carrying the pregnancy.) I have no reasonable interest in another sister's medical misfourtune, and I don't want to dunk on women who just lost their babies for Internet Christendom points from men who can't, and will never really understand this.

More generally I have no will to impose on other women seeking an elective early-term abortion, either. I'd like it to be an absolute last resort, but that requires access to reliable, affordable BC. The Ethan Ralph special is just too common these days, and I have nothing to gain from forcing women to carry, bear, and care for the children of deadbeat dads.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I'd like it to be an absolute last resort, but that requires access to reliable, affordable BC

Agreed.
But that requires of culture of disallowing glorification of abortion. It means that we, medics and the patients all acknowledge that once we get to the point of the fetus developing a CNS and sensory organs that react to stimuli, when the fetus can live inside an incubator outside the mother's womb, we cannot dismiss this as some sort of unlife crotch maggot that can be butchered away at will cause somebody did not wear a condom or has no education about morning after pills or early pharmaceutical abortion.
We need a culture of education both sexes on what measures should be taken to avoid unwanted pregnancies and that it is always better to prevent. We also need a culture that promotes motherhood, in fact, it should be held as a near-sacred state, as without reproduction we are literally doomed, and alternatives like synthetic/artificial wombs will be next, and you women do not want that dystopia, I assure you.
There are compromise solutions, but both sides have to give up something. The conservatards should give up moaning about expelling literal clump of cells early on and making it some religious issue. And progressives must give up the "not a real person yet" claims of unlife and acknowledge that killing a mother and her fetus counts double.
We also need extensive genetic testing for parents, intrauterine fetal monitoring for the pregnancy, and available abortions when the fetus is not developing correctly - but done as early as possible, with the compassion and knowledge that we are simply humans and we chose this imperfect solution cause we don't know better... for now.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Agreed.
But that requires of culture of disallowing glorification of abortion.

In what universe is abortion “glorified”? Other than a couple randoms (Lena Dunham? and some weirdo trans person who said he wanted to transition and get a uterus so he could have an abortion, and some others trying to be edgy, carried away with political ideology (which is often a reaction to attack or lack of access)), or reacting to current-day threats to its availability, virtually no one considers abortion a goal or god-like. Rhetoric and heated defensive political commentary aside, most everyone has better aims. You may hear people say it was the best decision they made or thank God for it, etc., but that’s not “glorifying” it.

We need a culture of education both sexes on what measures should be taken to avoid unwanted pregnancies and that it is always better to prevent.

We have education on bc (to varying degrees), but we also have stigma around it, accessibility issues, acceptance of young/unprepared childbearing (which severely disproportionately compromises the future of the women vs the men), acceptance of men opting out of child-rearing and/or financial support, acceptance of “please, baby, please, it just doesn’t feel the same,” and misunderstanding of error rates for birth control methods.

Education should say DON’T get pregnant/impregnate anyone unless and until you are 100% ready and in a position to provide that child a secure life with engaged parents who will put the child’s welfare before their own. It should reinforce that there is no reason to have sex - for the first or 5000th time - unless you yourself want to and are fully prepared (in every sense). It should counsel women to take control of their lives and use a woman-controlled birth control method, and never, ever to trust your potential pregnancy to a man. It should counsel men to stop wheedling and whining about condoms, promising to pull out, or “just the tip.” It should instill in men an independent, iron-clad sense of obligation to any child they create and its mother. It should provide accurate information on efficacy, side effects, and suitability of every type of birth control. It should underscore that Plan B (and various formulations intended to function after the fact) is a plan B, not a primary birth control “method.” And it should prioritize sane, rational, fact-based evaluations of the entire topic, candid self-assessments, and manipulation-free and impersonal decisionmaking.

The conservatards should give up moaning about expelling literal clump of cells early on and making it some religious issue. And progressives must give up the "not a real person yet" claims of unlife and acknowledge that killing a mother and her fetus counts double.

I agree abortion should be considered seriously - it’s a serious decision. But if you severely reduce opportunities for unintended pregnancies (by instilling the things I mentioned above), then you’re mostly left with cases such as the rare failure of birth control done right, or situations of rape or manipulation.

Both men and women should make every effort to avoid/prevent a pregnancy -using the best methods available - unless and until they are both fully and completely independently wanting a child. That includes abstaining. And also includes using every method available to prevent it. …and once that choice (active or passive) to have sex is made, and a pregnancy results, both should be equally on the hook for every aspect of raising that child. And that means no more $50/month child support bullshit; no more women declining to pursue child support because they see it as a “punishment,” or “he’ll give what/when he can”; no more blaming single mothers for being leeches on society because they can’t advance in work/earning because they have a child they’re having to rear alone.

There will always be exceptions and outliers, but if everyone approached sex with accurate information and equal accountability and responsibility, the need for abortion would be drastically reduced. Everyone is not going to do that, and as noted, sometimes the best plans fail, so abortion is and should be an accessible option. But if you put in the groundwork and instill self-respect, responsibility, and agency in every person, it becomes a much smaller situation. In our imperfect world, though, where both parties don’t insist on responsible prevention, abortion remains a necessary option.

 

[Stan]

glorification of abortion

I don't really think the left or feminists "glorify" abortion. Maybe you find some edgy comments, a few women who are very clear that they don't want kids, but "glorification" is a bit much. (And yes, I read the OP and I hope it's hyperbole or edgeposting; like when other users here talk about total black people death or whatever.) For my part at least, I don't think there's any feminist glory to be had in having an abortion. I certainly do not think that feminists are out there bragging about how many abortions they had; if there are then that's ghastly. But there are a great many ghastly folks opposing abortion to the right; murdering gynecologists who offer the procedure and shooting up clinics. Even if there was a feminist culture of glorifying abortion, it’s not as dangerous and common as right wing fundies who want to stop abortion by force of arms.

but both sides have to give up something.

?? I'm confused as to what the liberals need to give up in kind for the right to acknowledge that it's unethical to make women have kids they don't want.

We also need a culture that promotes motherhood, in fact, it should be held as a near-sacred state, as without reproduction we are literally doomed, and alternatives like synthetic/artificial wombs will be next, and you women do not want that dystopia, I assure you.

I’m surprisingly unconcerned about this. Not because I don’t think it can happen; I know it can and that experiments are being done on fetal lambs now.

More to say, I don’t think womb availability is the limiting reagent in the developed world. There sure are mgtows who bitch and promise they can’t wait to have kids all on their own with no foids involved; but I don’t actually think they’ll go through with that. They’ll just bitch about it being too expensive or whatever. Women meanwhile can go get some sperm from a donor and have kids on their own using today’s (or even yesteryear’s) tech, and I know this happens often enough IRL that I don’t think incels have a real chance at outbreeding us.

 

[Kiwisee]

I boardbanned that dude and he (she?) sperged out at me so I just banned them.

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I literally could not care less about abortions and I don't know why this sleeper account chimped out at me. I am 99% sure based on their replies they'll become one of those people who hate watch me and shitpost about me for the next ten years.

Is this going to lead into Total Kekistani deportation?

 

[AgendaPoster]

I don't think there's any feminist glory to be had in having an abortion

No, but there is in triggering the chuds. Also you are unwilling to see both sides when people call for TND or take it as a joke. In fact, I'm sure you'd consider most comments here as stochastic terrorism basically and highly dangerous for normalizing this sort of discourse on marginalized communities. It's a form of desensitization.
And both you and Dorothy are unwilling to give up a single thing in compromise. My suggestion was reasonable, I believe, and if implemented would lessen social conflict, would make the religious right feel less threatened on this issue, and females would still have access to abortion, but it would be highly incentivized to be done early, education about morning after pills and contraception would be mandatory, and anything beyond CNS development would be highly discouraged and only done if some sort of medical ethics commission would gives its approval, after examining the circumstances.
Artificial wombs, which is a tech that can be done today if there is a will, is a severe danger for women. I am unsure you understand how much of your value lies within the ability to carry a pregnancy. Sure, most people would lie to you that things are different, but if births can be had without your contribution you will be slowly face exclusion from all power and hierarchy related positions, as now you're just a weaker human without any special capability. Replaceable in full.
You don't want artificial wombs, you don't want realistic sex dolls/robots, it will ruin your sex.

 

[gang weeder]

More generally I have no will to impose on other women seeking an elective early-term abortion, either. I'd like it to be an absolute last resort, but that requires access to reliable, affordable BC. The Ethan Ralph special is just too common these days, and I have nothing to gain from forcing women to carry, bear, and care for the children of deadbeat dads.

Would you support murdering Ethan Ralph's children because they were born to "deadbeat" parents and therefore shouldn't exist?

I don't really think the left or feminists "glorify" abortion. Maybe you find some edgy comments, a few women who are very clear that they don't want kids, but "glorification" is a bit much.

Why would glorifying abortion be wrong?

But that requires of culture of disallowing glorification of abortion.

People will always trend towards one extreme or another on these issues due to oppositional psychology/tribalism. It's part of human nature. Just like how the idea of having a "colorblind" society that somehow "doesn't see race" didn't happen, and instead the attempt to do that simply caused the pendulum to fully swing the other way into anti-white racial norms. And how the idea of simply "giving women equal rights" did not actually make men and women equal, it ended up with women having more power and privileges and status than men. And etc.

Therefore, there is no option to choose between merely "disallowing glorification of abortion" and actively shitting on abortion as a Bad Thing that shouldn't be done at all. You can't do the former without doing the latter. People will either see it as Good or Bad, there is no neutral option.

Education

The only thing that will ultimately matter is consequences. Not "education," although that's fine to have, I guess. But changing norms requires changing consequences. People that fuck up have to face the music. Otherwise nothing changes.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

She's a certified "bingo bango bongo, I don't wanna leave the congo."

Too bad real Africans weren't like that.

Instead, remember when you tried to imply CJD was caused solely by eating contaminated beef?

I said "usually" and was not talking about the genetic or sporadic cases of CJD.

You're a sped, but guntguarding a cow is a new low.

Not really a cow, she just holds the opposite strong opinions on social issues as many right wing users do on this side. We need users like her or the site will be a total hugbox.

If you are a female weeb and not into anime dudes getting crammed full of cock, you're lying

I like cute anime boys having sects with girls.

you pagan niggers

What did he mean by this?

Also, what's that b& thing

It is short for "banned".