Debate Android Raptor on the finer merits of 4th trimester abortions

[AgendaPoster]

People will always trend towards one extreme or another on these issues due to oppositional psychology/tribalism. It's part of human nature. Just like how the idea of having a "colorblind" society that somehow "doesn't see race" didn't happen, and instead the attempt to do that simply caused the pendulum to fully swing the other way into anti-white racial norms. And how the idea of simply "giving women equal rights" did not actually make men and women equal, it ended up with women having more power and privileges and status than men. And etc.
Therefore, there is no option to choose between merely "disallowing glorification of abortion" and actively shitting on abortion as a Bad Thing that shouldn't be done at all. You can't do the former without doing the latter. People will either see it as Good or Bad, there is no neutral option.

Of course there is.
Colorblindness does not work because it's a liberal lie, and everyone, when pressed, can detect race, and has inner thoughts about it. Racial groups can be identified even by bones or blood testing, and of course, genetics, with high accuracy. Anti-white "racism" is just competition from blacks for the resources accumulated by whites. All the racism is competition between various tribes. Competition is natural and you should side with your tribe and want it to win, hopefully without too many atrocities.
People that only see good or bad are simpletons to be manipulated by smarter individuals with the intellectual ability to do so.
The discussion on abortion is informed by data, as I was saying it is scientific fact that the fetus starts feeling pain and distress and that it develops identifiable organs and a nervous system quite early, as well as a beating heart and blood vessels. It's impossible to claim it is not alive or some form of unlife/prelife since we can take it out, put it in an incubator, and it will likely survive with good care.
It's also impossible to claim that the bunch of cells that develop in the first days are life when they have no nervous system nor any organs that they can experience surroundings with. Those stages of development are not problematic to end, but even then it should be regarded with great caution, cause a civilized society depends on replacement levels of reproduction, and we cannot have people reproducing less without demographic catastrophe, which we will see in the next decades with near 100% certainty as reversing the current situation will take 20-50 years.

 

[gang weeder]

The discussion on abortion is informed by data, as I was saying it is scientific fact that the fetus starts feeling pain and distress and that it develops identifiable organs and a nervous system quite early, as well as a beating heart and blood vessels. It's impossible to claim it is not alive or some form of unlife/prelife since we can take it out, put it in an incubator, and it will likely survive with good care.
It's also impossible to claim that the bunch of cells that develop in the first days are life when they have no nervous system nor any organs that they can experience surroundings with. Those stages of development are not problematic to end, but even then it should be regarded with great caution, cause a civilized society depends on replacement levels of reproduction, and we cannot have people reproducing less without demographic catastrophe, which we will see in the next decades with near 100% certainty as reversing the current situation will take 20-50 years.

Well it sounds like you agree with me really.

We can sit here and try to be big brains all day long but when this shit plays out IRL people will have a standard one way or the other that they kneejerk towards. And "abortion is bad, no abortion" is the better standard.

 

[Stan]

In fact, I'm sure you'd consider most comments here as stochastic terrorism basically and highly dangerous for normalizing this sort of discourse on marginalized communities. It's a form of desensitization.

Jeez you’re the second moidoid to use this phrase on me this week. I’ve never used the phrase “stochastic terrorism” in my entire catalog, so you gotta give that one up.

And both you and Dorothy are unwilling to give up a single thing in compromise.

You’re also being damnably evasive about what you want, or what you think is fair to give up in exchange. From my perspective, we have women who should have the choice to determine their own lives even if it means aborting a downs’ fetus or a chemical pregnancy, and a bunch of men who want more control over their reproductive process. But uh, not their body not their choice… I am delighted I had a baby for myself but I also know I would have been really messed up if I was coerced into having one sooner than I was ready.

What’s the quid pro quo here? I won’t accept just a vague promise that “the men will do better”, or the equivocal statement that it would be cool to have better prenatal diagnostic equipment and fetal anomaly screening (is there an anti-diagnostic equipment lobby? Idk that there is…)

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Jeez you’re the second moidoid to use this phrase on me this week. I’ve never used the phrase “stochastic terrorism” in my entire catalog, so you gotta give that one up.

Vaush likes to say it a lot.

 

[Stan]

Artificial wombs, which is a tech that can be done today if there is a will, is a severe danger for women. I am unsure you understand how much of your value lies within the ability to carry a pregnancy. Sure, most people would lie to you that things are different, but if births can be had without your contribution you will be slowly face exclusion from all power and hierarchy related positions, as now you're just a weaker human without any special capability. Replaceable in full.
You don't want artificial wombs, you don't want realistic sex dolls/robots, it will ruin your sex.

I would be fucking *glad* if every man who wants to have a baby of his own workout involving nasty women would just do it already. Like I said before; they’ll all go chicken and say it’s too expensive or it’s too hard to take care of a baby on one’s own. Meanwhile the women can have babies on their own with merely the use of a sperm donor. That’s 19th-century assistive reproductive technology.

Maybe you get a few faygeles to set up some lab babies for themselves but I feel really confident that the bitter straight men aren’t going to naturally gravitate to fatherhood.

Racial groups can be identified even by bones or blood testing, and of course, genetics, with high accuracy. Anti-white "racism" is just competition from blacks for the resources accumulated by whites. All the racism is competition between various tribes.

Holy Christ is it a law of A&H physics that every discussion is eventually going to have to become a debate about race?!

 

[AgendaPoster]

Holy Christ is it a law of A&H physics that every discussion is eventually going to have to become a debate about race?!

He mentioned anti-white racism.
I can explain why this gets brought up 24/7.
There are two huge blindspots in left-academia, race and gender/sex. For example, during my run today, I listened to this (I can recommend it for you)

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/sam-harris-what-the-hell-happened/id1002920114?i=1000594998662

The interviewer grilled Sam Harris on why he platformed IQ/race researcher Charles Murray of Bell Curve fame for what seemed to be an eternity, until Sam no longer cared and openly told him that race and IQ is not a controversial issue in science as it is in society. The data is there, but libs spend decades now trying to diminish its relevance or make the whole research toxic.
I shouldn't have to talk about sex and gender cause you're kinda "redpilled" on it and you know the situation.
So each time a leftist makes an appeal to science and objective reality, you will get bonked over the head by the right with their race and gender concerns. "If you're so preoccupied about science, vaccines, climate change and so much more, why are you trying to cover this up, leftie?"

Maybe you get a few faygeles to set up some lab babies for themselves but I feel really confident that the bitter straight men aren’t going to naturally gravitate to fatherhood.

Artificial wombs would not be managed by lonely incels, but by the state.
A state like Hungary, who doesn't want migration at all, and has an open policy of fixing demographics.
If you think this cannot happen, think again. It happened and will keep happening forever, cause demographics are truly destiny, and they cannot be allowed to be held hostage by a few resentful women and men.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_770

I don't think the accusation that I am vague with what I want is fair, I'm quite open and detailed on what I want to the point where it's deeply autistic. You can accuse me of other stuff, but not this.

 

[The Cunting Death]

Holy Christ is it a law of A&H physics that every discussion is eventually going to have to become a debate about race?!

Yes.

 

[Begemot]

Yeah I know I look fab

Soon you'll look like a slave to my crew's array of glistening black dicks, sweetie....

 

[umami's milk]

Despite my spergingz from last year, I no longer have a dog in this fight. I do appreciate that the seething from both sides has balanced out a little bit. Hopefully artificial wombs do take off and we can just put this all behind us, but knowing how gay the powers that be are, it would probably get fucked to shit just like assisted suicide was.

 

[gang weeder]

Despite my spergingz from last year, I no longer have a dog in this fight. I do appreciate that the seething from both sides has balanced out a little bit. Hopefully artificial wombs do take off and we can just put this all behind us, but knowing how gay the powers that be are, it would probably get fucked to shit just like assisted suicide was.

My prediction, artificial wombs will be denied to the general public due to upsetting women too much. Similar reason trans is struggling to gain acceptance compared to gay. Fags don't threaten women, trannies do.

 

[AnOminous]

My prediction, artificial wombs will be denied to the general public due to upsetting women too much. Similar reason trans is struggling to gain acceptance compared to gay. Fags don't threaten women, trannies do.

I think troons got away with a lot of shit because women viewed them incorrectly as just another kind of fag, a generally nonthreatening population to women.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

My prediction, artificial wombs will be denied to the general public due to upsetting women too much.

I don't think they will be banned but probably only used for severely young fetuses that could not survive outside the womb. It will slowly be used like surrogacy for the rich who don't want to be pregnant and then trickle down to the middle class.

 

[Sammich]

Damn, who sexually abused you when you were younger for you to turn out like this.

probably the roaches.