Debate Freya and Android Raptor about which side of the abortion debates are true pedos (and Mrs. Doubtfire for some reason)

[Freya]

The fuck is "they"? Ohio law allows abortion in order to save the life of a mother, and no doctor is going to suggest a hardly pubescent child is capable of anything approaching safe pregnancy, let alone birth.

You really made this thread thinking "one dumb idiot saying something dumb" was a silver bullet. If that was the case, any anti-abortion argument could just point to you with no further comment.

the sturdy germanic lass who is head of the CINCINATTI ANTI ABORTION ORGANIZATION AND WENT ON TELEVSION saying 10 year olds are built to make babies. it wasn't just a rando.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

the sturdy germanic lass who is head of the CINCINATTI ANTI ABORTION ORGANIZATION AND WENT ON TELEVSION saying 10 year olds are built to make babies. it wasn't just a rando.

Did she object to the standing Ohio law?

 

[Android raptor]

Wild how the same people who accuse lgbtq people of being pedos are in favor of forced child pregnancy and calling female children "women".

 

[SpergioLeonne]

That's unbelievably messed up.

However, I was responding more to that idiot's comments about how the child should have been forced to carry the product of rape to term. A lifelong albatross around her neck and reminder of that horrific crime. kill or rape At least until it kills or rapes her or someone else in the future.

Whatever happens, never ask the future mother of your children if she’d rather keep or abort a rape baby. I think your brain would explode

 

[Puff]

100%. I don't understand how this isn't just the default answer to this.

It is. Normal opinions don't make good headlines though.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

The pregnant child is a victim in this. Ten is too young, and has been since the beginning of time. Margaret Beaufort was married (again, first she was married at three) to Edmund Tudor at twelve and her husband was supposed to wait (the social norm of the time.) he didn’t, and the traumatic birth of Henry VII happened when she was just 13. She never had any more children, and that was apparently down to the horrendous injuries she suffered. It’s also supposed to have turned her into the person she was (interesting, but genuinely ferocious) Ten is a child and extremely high risk for complications md a very traumatic birth
Ohio has exemptions for rape, and child pregnancies. I am generally very much against abortion. At the same time I think that while it’s always killing there may be times when that killing is not necessarily fine and dandy but acceptable. Like war, or killing in self defence, we know killing the born is wrong but sometimes society allows it.
It appears the reason the child had so much trouble getting the abortion was the mother not reporting the boyfriend. I don’t really understand that tbh, if I was that kids mother the boyfriend would be buried under the patio by now.

Otterly, you just summed up my exact feelings on the whole issue in a way I couldn't thank you.

I am all for Birth Control like Condoms, Implants, or anti pregnancy drugs that make conception very unlikely if not impossible and if you get pregnant there is a life other than yours involved (and I do admit I do have some sympathy for the arguments for more general access on some level, but this is a very complex topic) but there are times and situations where taking a life is more noble and moral than the suffering it would inflict on both the children involved.

 

[Freya]

Wild how the same people who accuse lgbtq people of being pedos are in favor of forced child pregnancy and calling female children "women".

it's all projection with them.

https://twitter.com/heartlandsignal/status/1648731531697946624

She very clearly refers to the 10 year old as a woman. Interesting how they need to protect children from the dangers of abortion but not birth.

 

[Android raptor]

Fun fact: the 10 year old isn't the only minor Ohio denied an abortion

it's all projection with them.

Strongly suspect given the timing that the current moral panic over drag queens and whatnot is at least partially a distraction from them denying child rape victims abortions and the ongoing sex abuse scandal with southern baptists.

 

[Freya]

Fun fact: the 10 year old isn't the only minor Ohio denied an abortion

Everyone here will cope and say they just went out of state because the mom was covering up for the rapist. Then someone will try to make it about the liberals because illegal aliens and single moms

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Everyone here will cope and say they just went out of state because the mom was covering up for the rapist. Then someone will try to make it about the liberals because illegal aliens and single moms

Fun fact: the 10 year old isn't the only minor Ohio denied an abortion

Strongly suspect given the timing that the current moral panic over drag queens and whatnot is at least partially a distraction from them denying child rape victims abortions and the ongoing sex abuse scandal with southern baptists.

If Ohio law is preventing minors/women with life threatening circumstances from getting abortions they should add a clause to explicitly permitting them.

Now what?

 

[Android raptor]

If Ohio law is preventing minors/women with life threatening circumstances from getting abortions they should add a clause to explicitly permitting them.

Well they aren't, because Ohio Republicans don't give a fuck about protecting women and children

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Well they aren't, because Ohio Republicans don't give a fuck about protecting women and children

I hate to break it to you, but no politicians cares about any of us peasants.

I don't even think this was intentional tbh. I skimmed the article you posted and it confirmed that Ohio has both a clause for pregnancies that put the mother at risk and a ban on abortions post heartbeat. So what likely happened is they rushed out the heartbeat bill after RvW was revealed without doing the due diligence to make sure the bills didn't conflict. Hell, they might not even conflict, a court might just have to hammer out which one supercedes the other.

Because contrary to what you think, half the country doesn't want to force child rape victims to give birth. That's a niche view even here. This is probably just an instance of beauracracy being stupid and useless, like always.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Well they aren't, because Ohio Republicans don't give a fuck about protecting women and children

Neither do the Democrats seeing that this girl's mother's illegal boyfriend was probably the one that raped her. But it's okay because "NO ONE IS ILLEGAL".
Also, it really is disingenuous to pretend this has to do with the type of abortion irresponsible grown women get to not be a mother and live out their retarded fantasies, when this is pretty blatantly an abortion of a more life-saving medical nature, where the life of the mother is at risk just from giving birth. Those types of abortions are always protected by law in every state and frankly are the type that are morally permissible (or at least, of a less serious moral nature) in pretty much every Christian denomination. What sort of mouthbreather thinks someone is such a caricature that they would unironically prevent a child from getting what is effectively a life-saving surgery just because they are conservative?

 

[Android raptor]

Also, it really is disingenuous to pretend this has to do with the type of abortion irresponsible grown women get to not be a mother and live out their retarded fantasies,

Irresponsible women shouldn't be mothers. The fuck kind of care do you think those women will provide to something as expensive, time consuming, and needy as a kid?

Shame conservatives can't direct all the energy they're spending getting their panties in a wad over drag queens at making sure no children are denied abortions in states they control. You'd think they would if nearly all of them think abortion should be allowed for children.

 

[Freya]

What sort of mouthbreather thinks someone is such a caricature that they would unironically prevent a child from getting what is effectively a life-saving surgery just because they are conservative?

it's their own words. it's what THEY themselves proudly say on CSPAN. what sort of mouthbreather sees this video up above and then plays dumb?

 

[Zero Day Defense]

it's their--

Who is they? Are you respecting the woman's pronouns?

The person you keep jumping up and down about because you need for them to be your silver bullet is a singular person, doesn't represent the entirety of those who would consider themselves "pro-life", doesn't represent the entirety of the pro-life movement, doesn't even represent the entirety of the movement's presence in Ohio, and has no idea of hers represented in any of the actual binding laws Ohio has about abortion-- all of which would allow for a 10 year old to get an abortion, because they're too young to reliably carry a child to term without dying, let alone give birth.

Just the fact that you felt compelled to post this video and make the same sleight twice, after being called out the first time.

You're not even fixating on her avoiding having to answer the question of "should a 10 year old get an abortion" as much as you are microscoping on a single word that could be replaced with the more correct one and hardly alter the point she was making.

You're incapable of making a case for abortion and this is the best you have-- is that it?

 

[Freya]

Who is they?

The person you keep jumping up and down about because you need for them to be your silver bullet is a singular person, doesn't represent the entirety of the pro-life movement, doesn't even represent the entirety of the movement's presence in Ohio, and has no idea of hers represented in any of the actual binding laws Ohio has about abortion-- all of which would allow for a 10 year old to get an abortion, because they're too young to reliably carry a child to term, let alone give birth.

Just the fact that you felt compelled to post this video and make the same sleight twice, after being called out the first time.

You're not even fixating on her avoiding having to answer the question of "should a 10 year old get an abortion" as much as you are microscoping on a single word that could be replaced with the more correct one and hardly alter the point she was making.

You're incapable of making a case for abortion and this is the best you have-- is that it?

she's the head of the anti-choice group for the third largest city in ohio. she's not just some random person on twitter. she isn't the only one that has this belief. so does the head of live action, which is the largest anti choice group in the country.

 

[Caesare]

Everyone here will cope and say they just went out of state because the mom was covering up for the rapist.

That's their culture though. You shouldn't judge them just because Mexican men can't help themselves around children and Mexican mothers blame the children.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

she's the head of the anti-choice group for the third largest city in ohio.

Jog my memory: what are the laws on the books regarding abortion in Ohio?

 

[Fomo Hoire]

she's the head of the anti-choice group for the third largest city in ohio. she's not just some random person on twitter. she isn't the only one that has this belief. so does the head of live action, which is the largest anti choice group in the country.

This man was governor of the entire state of Virginia. The only reason he isn't anymore is because of term limits, not because his constituents have any problems with him. He's not just some random man on twitter.

His belief is that women should be allowed to have abortions for any reason, at any time, including after the baby has exited the womb.

In fact, the procedure he proudly described in an "Ask the Governor" interview would have made doctors begin aborting a baby on their own, then wait to have a discussion with the mother about allowing it to live.



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