Being a man is great. What is this pansy nonsense about needing to bare your fee-fees to someone? Crying about the expectations and responsibilities of manhood shows how far males have fallen. The word "man" used to mean more than merely having a penis. When you start feeling this way or are weak, remember the phrase, "stop being a bitch" and pick yourself up.
Bearing his own burdens not only gives a man his freedom but it is also the foundation of his strength and character. Need someone to speak to for guidance? Pray. Unlike mortals, He won't feed you bullshit. You also won't be burdening the people who look to you for strength.
FtMs, exactly like their MtF counterparts have a twisted and superficial view of masculinity. They think it's adolescent bro culture but with sodomy. They'll NBAM and have no conception of what it is because all troons are the same.
When I say existential concerns I speak in both the macro and personal scale. A man goes through life knowing that the only people that care about him are his family and perhaps close friends(if he is so blessed to have either). Women form social support networks, against the cold indifference of the world.
At least, when all is said and done they do, mannerbunds and what not do mitigate it, but a man’s interior life, his spiritual pains are not shared the way women more or less merge into a gestalt when together.
I understand this more. Woman tend to communicate their pains in different ways than men, usually vocalizing them. But theoretically, men can do so too. What keeps men from communicating these things, and what separates him from woman?
If I met a random woman off the street or at my work telling me her pains right away, I'd assume she's bonkers. Edit: Trying to say I don't care about someone's crazy ass problems for each and every human that I meat, dick or vag. If someone was venting about their life and I didn't know them that well, I'd probably say "yeah, sorry that sucks" but not be more invested in that. If I know someone or I'm in contact with them a lot, then yeah, man or woman.
A man must make himself valuable, if he isn’t, if he fails or he simply doesn’t possess the qualities that allow him to stand out, or such qualities are too common, then he is chaff in the wind. No one will mourn him, he possesses nothing that will avail him to his peers or his superiors, just because he exists. Not so with women.
I think it's more of "if you don't have friends and family who care for you" in general. Family and friends still mourn their male relatives passing even if they have down syndrome and had to be taken care of.
I think society is more sympathetic to women passing though, don't blame you. Women are just inherently seen as more vunerable and as moms and such before men. Perhaps it's evolutionary or cultural as men used to die much more often than women due to wars and generally getting into more dangerous situations (testosterone works in mysterious ways).
Does this mean barren or nonreproducing women understand men as they lost their value?
Does this mean there are no female atheists? I mean, I know we have as male for good fucking reason, but are there no women who don't believe in a higher power? Edit: I'd imagine there would be spiritual men who'd be very upset if you ever said they questioned God(s) too - hardcore religious men exists and can be very protective and prideful of unwavering faith.
Cancer patients, those who have lost children, those who've had horrid marriages, those who've been in tragedies like 9/11 - will women not question their place in the universe then?
Have you ever read thesepoems, by the way? I think you might relate to them well.
Being a man is great. What is this pansy nonsense about needing to bare your fee-fees to someone? Crying about the expectations and responsibilities of manhood shows how far males have fallen. The word "man" used to mean more than merely having a penis. When you start feeling this way or are weak, remember the phrase, "stop being a bitch" and pick yourself up.
That's like...the point I was making. The responsibilities and expectations you cite are why we men hold up the sky. We are the pillars of civilization, of order. It is through us humanity is more than furless beasts scurrying in the woods.
I understand this more. Woman tend to communicate their pains in different ways than men, usually vocalizing them. But theoretically, men can do so too. What keeps men from communicating these things, and what separates him from woman?
If I met a random woman off the street or at my work telling me her pains right away, I'd assume she's bonkers. Edit: Trying to say I don't care about someone's crazy ass problems for each and every human that I meat, dick or vag. If someone was venting about their life and I didn't know them that well, I'd probably say "yeah, sorry that sucks" but not be more invested in that. If I know someone or I'm in contact with them a lot, then yeah, man or woman.
I'd say the point I was getting more at is there a much harder barrier between the Self-that is a man's interior identity, thoughts, feelings and so forth, and the minds of those around him. A hard barrier actually. For women-the boundary between Self and Other(if we must use these terms) is much weaker and porous. Women are not "mental islands"-men are. You ever see a mass of women? They all flow into each other and become something approaching a gestalt. Which is why its weird and off putting when a man bares his soul-we all know intuitively this isn't what men are to be, and its normal for women to share their feelings.
I think it's more of "if you don't have friends and family who care for you" in general. Family and friends still mourn their male relatives passing even if they have down syndrome and had to be taken care of.
I think society is more sympathetic to women passing though, don't blame you. Women are just inherently seen as more vunerable and as moms and such before men. Perhaps it's evolutionary or cultural as men used to die much more often than women due to wars and generally getting into more dangerous situations (testosterone works in mysterious ways).
Does this mean barren or nonreproducing women understand men as they lost their value?
But what value does that man bring? If he is a father and provider, an entrepeneur, a warrior, a scientist-then people have a reason to mourn the loss of his value as a man. A boy with down syndrome who dies age 12 is mourned as just a dead family member, not because of the value lost, beyond which is sentimental.
Well of course, women have innate value because they bare children. A barren woman was seen historically as tragic, a source of incredible shame, and even a sign of curses and divine judgement, a woman who can not fulfill this has her value nullified. And for most of human history and even today-that was a grim fate indeed. Because a value less woman is just a mouth to feed that contributes not even her body to the field.
I wouldn't say they understand them. A barren woman or a woman who has not exercised her value is still accorded certain protections and if nothing else...pity. Maybe abstractly, but usually widows and barren young women were too miserable to understand men.
Does this mean there are no female atheists? I mean, I know we have as male for good fucking reason, but are there no women who don't believe in a higher power? Edit: I'd imagine there would be spiritual men who'd be very upset if you ever said they questioned God(s) too - hardcore religious men exists and can be very protective and prideful of unwavering faith.
There are female atheists, yes. Usually this is a social matter, or one driven by resentment. Not genuine reflection and truth seeking(there are rare exceptions but this is the rule). Same for female religious belief, women go to church-men care about theology. For women, religion is a social function, not a spiritual one.
Cancer patients, those who have lost children, those who've had horrid marriages, those who've been in tragedies like 9/11 - will women not question their place in the universe then?
I remember the concept from psychology. I need to look this up to see if it still holds mostly true, as it feels it does but I'm sure our understanding of the concept is more thorough.
You ever see a mass of women? They all flow into each other and become something approaching a gestalt. Which is why its weird and off putting when a man bares his soul-we all know intuitively this isn't what men are to be, and its normal for women to share their feelings.
You ever see a mass of dude bros or pack of card game shop players? They all flow into each other ans become something aproaching a gestalt. Business men in their suits too. Oh, and construction workers...
I can pick women from other women: you have artistic types, you have nervous quite women who sit in the back, you have social butterflies, you have space cadets, you have type A personalities, agreeable ones, and reserved ones. Upper, lower, middle, and in between classes. Maybe it's an experience thing or what I look for.
I get what you mean by bearing the soul.
But what value does that man bring? If he is a father and provider, an entrepeneur, a warrior, a scientist-then people have a reason to mourn the loss of his value as a man. A boy with down syndrome who dies age 12 is mourned as just a dead family member, not because of the value lost, beyond which is sentimental.
But if he dies at 30, it is the death of a man even if he was a manchild. Sentimentality is a huge value within itself - we're social creatures and evolved to be such since it helped us out.
I'll admit I'm a soft hearted fuck. I am too soft hearted to think that society should matter to each and every person out there. It DOES matter because we have to live in it, but we must work a wagie job.
I wouldn't say they understand them. A barren woman or a woman who has not exercised her value is still accorded certain protections and if nothing else...pity. Maybe abstractly, but usually widows and barren young women were too miserable to understand men.
So it's a different shade of miserable. Curious, do you think valueless men understand women like that, or are they separate enough from women in the reproduction that they don't understand it?
Here's a bit to chew on: the existential dread of only having one job. You are born, you grow up, you become a mother and homemaker, you become a grandmother, you die. The traditional male provider is a burden to have, but the traditional female pigeonhole fucking blew too. Sadly? there's still communities who do this in the west, and mothers who imprint it on their children. I think more women are getting a taste of the male role thanks to the workforce being efficient over anything else (so efficient that some employers walk women to their car to see if they have a child seat in the back - if they have a child, they can't help the company 24/7), but it won't change for a long time if ever thanks to evolution and biology.
Here's a second tidbit: People only wanting your body is a horrid thought for women. Society says you have value! ...but it's not because you're smart or accomplished, it's because you can carry a baby. If you don't carry said baby, why? Fucking useless. There are men who treat you well in this world.... and men who only treat you as a fleshlight. And even the nice ones can turn out to be wolves in sheep's clothing. An object. Not a provider, not an equal, but a thing. This isn't the case with all women, but you see many sad cases like this. To say women who feel like this have many existential nightmares or conflicts of self worth is an understatement.
If a man becomes poor and homeless with no friends or family, he has to climb his way up from the bottom which is incredibly hard with life shitting on him. If a woman becomes poor and homeless with no friends or family, she has an option men don't have: prostitution. It's horrid and turns your value into a part, not a person. Men are seen as cogs in the machine, women are seen as cogs in the machine that you can stick something into. A vagina can shield a woman from a middle to high income family, but it exposes her in poverty. Even the middle and high class have to worry about it.
There's also small things like "what if he only hired me because I have legs or fill part his diversity quota, not because I'm a good worker and have merit?" can burn the soul. "But you still got work and have value because you made money and have a womb," yeah, the last part is the problem, the idea is to be seen as more than a part.
Perhaps the idea that men and women can't relate to each other is true in that one must make himself valuable, while the other is a bit like a house holding golden cups people want to rob. But boy, it drives existential stakes into your heart either way. Society as a whole "cares" for women, but a struggling women still has feelings of worthlessness comparable to a man if she's explictly stated she's not using her vagina. You're not using it? Whatever you man then. Society only cares about women superficially, much like men. Plenty of women realize this by puberty, much like how men realize society doesn't care much about them.
There are female atheists, yes. Usually this is a social matter, or one driven by resentment. Not genuine reflection and truth seeking(there are rare exceptions but this is the rule). Same for female religious belief, women go to church-men care about theology. For women, religion is a social function, not a spiritual one.
This sounds weird considering nuns exists, and makes it sound like women just don't reflect on what they think. I linked Emily Dickinson's poems for a reason: she clearly contemplated life, death, and the possibility of no afterlife. Both types of women exist and process their place in the universe like men.
There are plenty of male euphorics driven not by truth seeking, but for "fuck you, mom and dad!" reasons. To disregard them or say there's more truth seekers than women is ridiculous. And for church, I bet there's as many lukewarm followers in the men's pool as the women's. Church is definitely social for chicks, but the same happens with men.
Not that I have seen, at least I know of. I could be wrong. Feel free to correct me.
You've debated patiently with me. Let me pull up my sleeve a little.
You've been talking to a woman this whole time, but I suspected you knew. In a world filled with things like brain eating amoebas, criminals of all genders and types who go unpunished, and random acts of destruction by nature, what place does God have? When we look at the Bible and trace back passages that were eliminated with time and evidence that Abrahamic religions was many authors refining and redefining laws and beliefs held by the people at the time, how can we not say the common idea of the Abrahamic God is not a fabrication, and the truth is still out there? With science expanding our knowledge on how the earth and life possibly formed and how religions were shaped by the hands of people living at that time rather than forces beyond, what do we believe in? Is there a deity out there with an invisible hand shaping the truth? Or is tragedy so random that it does shake us to a possible reality without a God? It rains on the sinners as well as the saints.
Perhaps my thoughts are too brief to be convincing but such is life (and I've typed enough as is). I didn't share my complete powerlevel, and sadly I don't have any on hand examples of women who became atheist or pondered deeply after an experience they had. I encourage you to see if you can find post online from women themselves, or books on theology (not self help or pop religious books, that's a different category) by ladies.
As I said, I'm not going to powerlevel, but something tells me that I'm not the only woman who's stared at her ceiling in horror as she realized the only person who she could depend on was herself in this world, and that rough forces of nature would eventually wash away every trace that she lived and could wipe her out in an accident at any time. Perhaps society looks at us like we are nice rose then completely forget about us five seconds later. "Oh, look at your body and it's (not yours) potential!" Then you're dumped in the same rat race men are if not. And of course, "you are nothing, shut up and let me put my penis in you" from scum you can likely be overpowered by. I won't lie, I rather men NOT experience the later. I wish it on no one.
I like your concern for your fellow man. Keep that trait in your heart and do your best to be the male change you want to see in the world - whether it's volunteering for men's community programs like big brothership or just asking how your friends are feeling. I've been confused on how several women out there express the hopelessness and depression of a no value male with the same words and similar reasons, and then how, somehow, women do not reason whether the spiritual exist or not, they just go with the flow.
I'm trying to say girls feel the existential pain as deeply as boys. We are all struggling together. Some get a free ride and free pass. Most don't, and the category of person you are tends to choose. Men and women may have a few separate struggles, but the feeling of worthlessness is there regardless. Both of our pains are sharp. Maybe we won't feel the exact pain men have, but we can feel something VERY close to it. I think men can feel the same for women, too, and we should do our best to support each other. We've been failing men more nowadays, and it needs to be evened out, but it wasn't roses for us either.
A man goes through life knowing that the only people that care about him are his family and perhaps close friends(if he is so blessed to have either). Women form social support networks, against the cold indifference of the world.
Have women ever had spiritual crises? Is God real? Does He care for me? Do I have a soul? If not I face oblivion, if I do-might I be damned to everlasting punishment? Why am I just a weak creature of blood and bone, why can’t I take the stars? Flesh is a prison, or is it all? These existential and spiritual questions have long gnawed at men.
As for men being the 'pillars of civilisation', who transcribed the Medieval bibles, set up and ran the Catholic schools and hospitals?
Nuns were the construction workers of civilisation's social and spiritual infrastructure. Teaching is a female-coded profession because that was just what nuns did, mostly via the Catholic church, before public schooling was a thing.
I'm sure many women wanted to be nuns, but they couldn't be, because they weren't virgins. How many of those non-virgins were raped, or molested as children? I was also believed in the olden days that rape could not cause pregnancy: i.e., if a woman got pregnant after sex, she must have enjoyed it.
You don't think the women who make up the majority of grad students in Cultural Anthropology and English Literature aren't concerned with existential issues? It's half they write about. Women go to live with eskimos, bushmen, and starving Brazilians to try to understand the human condition.
Back to the subject of nuns and other existentially-preoccupied women, note that the trannies have started insisting that Joan of Arc was nonbinary. Your own framework is not dissimilar if you have an intuition that Joan, Hypatia, Margery Kemp, Teresa of Avila, Emily Dickinson, Virginia Woolf, George Eliot .. I could go on and on .. were somehow, despite all physical evidence to the contrary, men (or not-women.)
Either 'male/female' is a biological dichotomy or it is a spiritual/existential dichotomy (albeit, I grant, one with significant metaphoical overlap with the biological one.) It can't refer to whichever you want it to at any given moment. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.
If I were a psychiatrist, I'd say that you have many traits of schizoid personality disorder, which Nick Fuentes has speculated himself that he has. Now, I hate the psychs as much as the next One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest enjoyer, but I nonetheless think it's worth realising that this is how you'd be categorised in that particular worldview.
One of the hallmarks of the schizoid syndrome is a rigid pre-occupation with an abstract and ideosyncratic ideology to the extent that the sufferer actively avoids the kind of rich engagement with interpersonal reality which could distract you from your ideological immersion. Just like TRAs and radfems, you're pathologically obsessed with gender as a framework for understanding human nature and daily life. And it's pathological not for any stupid Nurse Ratched psycho-medical-complex reason but because it's hamstringing your ability to understand reality at depth and with nuance, with which seems to be what you most want.
Women also make up a significant portion of schizoids. They just manifest it in female-prevalent and gay-prevalent contexts you lack familiarity with, so you don't see it. Woman schizoids are radical feminists, failed indie artists, and 300,000+ word plus fanfic authors.
I get that feminist pseudointellectuals and femospherians are annoying and alienating as fuck. But you know what? You're just experiencing a palette-swapped version of how annoying I find meninist pseudointellectuals and manospherians. That's fucking life. People believe stupid shit en masse. Deal with it.
@Sealbaby Infant seal I can't respond to your post because it's too long but the women probably are more likely to get divorced after a cancer diagnosis because they whine more and people don't want to deal with it. Oh no I have cancer now everyone should talk about how brave and strong I am all the time and treat me like a princess.
That's possibly also why they're less likely to get CPR, because a woman is being hysterical most times, so everyone ignores them.
Women report greater levels of loneliness because they're whinier.
That's why it's long been known that after divorce men are on the scale of 8-10x more likely to actually blow their brains out. The second you stop relying on self reporting and start looking at actual physical outcomes, it stops looking so great for women.
You can't rely on things women say because they're whiny. WAAAH I have a hangnail this is the worst thing ever. Come study me and my all important suffering.
And anyways Shamash isn't schizoid, he's just a very depressed and lost individual who's looking for a group to belong to and a purpose. That's tough, humans aren't meant to just aimlessly exist.
Unless they're women of course, they aren't as bothered by just existing. That's why men have it tougher. They need autonomy and purpose where as women are happier being pets and herd animal.
“One thing should be clear, but apparently it is not: if this were indeed our nature, we would be living in paradise. If pain, humiliation, and physical injury made us happy, we would be ecstatic. If being sold on street corners were a good time, women would jam street corners the way men jam football matches. If forced sex were what we craved, even we would be satisfied already. If being dominated by men made us happy, we would smile all the time.
Women resist male domination because we do not like it.
Political women resist male domination through overt, rude, unmistakable rebellion. They are called unnatural, because they do not have a nature that delights in being debased." - Andrea Dworkin
For me, I feel the opposite.
I don't see why any man would want to become a woman unless it's for fetish purposes or strange validation. Why would you want to be physically weaker, have the difficult role in reproduction and be pressured to do stupid things that men aren't?
I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.
Women do tend to have a larger social net and less success related expectations, but they have their own standards and kicks to the groin that men don't have too. A woman being othered by mean girls and made to feel alone in a school or workplace is an example, especially if her parents or siblings don't give a shit.
Except men also have this, it's called being an outcast. It gets so bad some outcasts decide to do a mass shooting. At least, in their heads, their existence is acknowledged that way.
Men do have to make their value, a woman’s value is innate. Unless she is barren or totally incapable of conceiving children she possesses something of innate worth.
In fact, I'd say women aren't valued for giving birth, they are valued for just being women and when you stick your dick in the pussy it feels great. Children are probably an afterthought.
Except men also have this, it's called being an outcast. It gets so bad some outcasts decide to do a mass shooting. At least, in their heads, their existence is acknowledged that way.
You're right, I was trying to argue against Shamesh's statement that women can't feel loneliness or outsiderness at all because they always have a social circle to fall back on. Men definitely have it too, very much ain't easy for them either.
In fact, I'd say women aren't valued for giving birth, they are valued for just being women and when you stick your dick in the pussy it feels great. Children are probably an afterthought
@Shamash it's perfectly fine being a man in 2022 you're just an unhappy failure in life and desperately want to blame it on your gender or race to avoid personal responsibility. This is entirely a you problem.
The trouble is, people mistakenly believe that they are apart of this group. As long as you are able to hold a conversation, you wash yourself, and you don't look or act criminally insane, there will always be equally socially inept weirdos to hang out with you.
OP is a faggot and a border reiver but I'm going to shelve the snark for a moment and try to offer some genuine advice as best I can.
As cliche as this might sound, sometimes it really is a good idea to log off, take a nice shower and shave, then go outside and actually go out and try to meet people or something, even if it's just to find platonic friends with similar interests.
Quit moping around on the internet and figure out what you can actually practically do to improve your life, and then do that as best you can.
Most of these fixes are just common fucking sense.
You have no idea. A man lives alone whether he is married or not. In his own mind and soul-he bares his individual identity, his weakness and the failure of his dreams while gazing upon the cold indifference of the sun and stars.
Women being as they are social creatures-don’t realize the sheer loneliness, bitterness, and callous indifference that being a man entails. You have people to cry on, which is acceptable for you, you have friends, family.
A man has to endure the cold winds of the earth, the reality no one will remember or weep at his grave unless he has done something to warrant their grief, and the ever pressing understanding that he can not reach out and take the stars into his will.
This existential agony affects every man, even if they don’t express in such terms.
Women don’t look at crowds passing them by and feel as failures or gaze at the sun and understand how hostile the universe really is.
Men bare the coldness and indifference of the world on their backs and in their hearts.
We shield you from this, and you shield each other. We bare it however with no support or veil to hide the inherent awfulness of reality from our conscious mind.
as male for good fucking reason, but are there no women who don't believe in a higher power? Edit: I'd imagine there would be spiritual men who'd be very upset if you ever said they questioned God(s) too - hardcore religious men exists and can be very protective and prideful of unwavering faith.
