Debate User King Kong... With Wings?

[Coldgrip]

because they are using it as a scapegoat for their now unacceptable behavior.

Wut?

You think some right fringe groups are using this as an excuse for their shitty behavior, that is what you're saying, right?

Who are these people? Every group I've ever know that likes to play the pc card has been middle to upper class left leaning twats that don't live near or have any contact with the minorities they say they speak for.

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

Every group I've ever know that likes to play the pc card has been middle to upper class left leaning twats that don't live near or have any contact with the minorities they say they speak for.

can you show me your examples first?

 

[Taily Puff]

That and we had what, near 20 years of people bashing the right? It just wasn't bringing in the lols any more. Sure you had some jesus-freak every now and then, but you always knew what their shtick was and the jokes people were going to make. Shit had gotten stale.

The root of comedy is the unexpected after all. When you see some hardline anti-gay politician, you know the odds are he's renting gay prostitutes in a sleazy hotel somewhere. It's not funny if you can call it right away.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I have a serious question for everyone though: What is the difference between "political correctness" and being a decent, respectful human being who respects others who are different than them?

Because most decent, respectful people wouldn't keep REEEEEEEing at you for doing something that "offends" them. They'll get annoyed, they may tell you to stop. But last I checked, they wouldn't be going on a massive tirade over, say, how you're dressing or walking is racist/sexist/whatever-ist.

because they are using it as a scapegoat for their now unacceptable behavior.

And that excuses the Left for their behavior how exactly?

Both sides are filled with shitty people, there's no question about that. It's just that nowadays, the Left is proving time and again that they're the most vocal between the two. If anything, their so-called PC is legitimately harming things more than they help. Why else do you think we enjoy seeing their jimmies rustled?

 

[frozenrunner]

I actually don't think it's important to be PC because people who used to discriminate against non-Anglo Saxon, LGBT or non-christian who are butthurt about not being allowed to discriminate those people are REEEEEEEEEEing at the rest of the world for telling them to stop.

the first amendment does grant you free speech, but you are not immune to the consequences of what your speech brings on you. So these people who I mentioned earlier are using political correctness as a tactic to try and shield themselves from the consequences of their actions.

TL;DR

Political correctness is just the conservative version of the race or autism card

It's not "the rest of the world" telling them to stop. It's a relatively small number of fucked up people, motivated by mental illness, who have no lives and nothing better to do but trick companies into thinking they're a considerable proportion of consumers.

All you're really saying without outright saying it is "you can technically say whatever you want, but me and my legions of crybullies might ruin your life for it, and that's perfectly valid."
Fuck you and your "compassionate" authoritarianism.

 

[repentance]

because they are using it as a scapegoat for their now unacceptable behavior.

Unacceptable to whom?

There's a huge difference between behaviour which human beings in general find unacceptable regardless of their political/religious ideology and behaviour which is only unacceptable in the context of a specific ideology/religion. Anyone arguing from a position of "it's OK when we do it" is talking about behaviour they only find unacceptable when people who don't share their values engage in it. It's generally unnecessary to justify behaviour which is universally agreed to be unacceptable.

 

[Coldgrip]

can you show me your examples first?

Well, first there's these fuckers:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/antifa.28207/

Then you have the islamic apologists that scream how you're a racist for pointing out that the third snackbar driving a truck into a crowd of people might be an indication of some underlying problem with certain groups of middle-eastern people, and then there's this cunt:

Spoiler: Guess who?

Oh, and then there's this little thing with some tranny trying to take down the Farms, but I'm sure that's nothing.

I showed you mine, now show me your's

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

I'm going to let you in on a secret, some people like Trump just because he rustles people's jimmies. I think you are mistaking hyperbole for actual opinion.

You can have whatever opinion you want, just don't expect people to not challenge you on it at some point because we have an extremely varied user base who will hold different opinions than what you believe.

If anything, their so-called PC is legitimately harming things more than they help. Why else do you think we enjoy seeing their jimmies rustled?

I have to ask, if you guys really like Trump just because he rustles people's jimmies then why keep up the act of liking and idolizing him and his closest sycophants while on a relatively obscure part of the web, there's not many people you are triggering except maybe me and a couple other dissenters. You guys are upset about Hatreon going down when its demise occurred as a consequence of the first amendment.

As I said before, The first amendment gives you the right to free speech, but it does not protect you from the consequences of such actions. I agree that physical violence is disproportionate for wrongthink, but ridicule and scorn are appropriate consequences for discrimination.

The alt-right has waged war against "political correctness" which is really just "stop discriminating against me just because I am not like you" and no, I'm not talking about the countless genders and that fake crap made by dumbass tumblrites.

 

[Taily Puff]

As I said before, The first amendment gives you the right to free speech, but it does not protect you from the consequences of such actions.

Consequences like people rating you dumb? But that's somehow anti-free speech dogpiling?

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

Consequences like people rating you dumb? But that's somehow anti-free speech dogpiling?

Varvarstvo pointed out the irony of everyone else lashing out at me. Personally, I didn't care

 

[Coldgrip]

I have to ask, if you guys really like Trump just because he rustles people's jimmies then why keep up the act of liking and idolizing him and his closest sycophants while on a relatively obscure part of the web, there's not many people you are triggering except maybe me and a couple other dissenters. You guys are upset about Hatreon going down when its demise occurred as a consequence of the first amendment

Hyperbole. Also some people do in fact like him.

As I said before, The first amendment gives you the right to free speech, but it does not protect you from the consequences of such actions. I agree that physical violence is disproportionate for wrongthink, but ridicule and scorn are appropriate consequences for discrimination.

See, you say that, but the instant some mean words head in your direction you seem to want to cry and complain about how we're all big meanie-heads.

The alt-right has waged war against "political correctness" which is really just "stop discriminating against me just because I am not like you" and no, I'm not talking about the countless genders and that fake crap made by dumbass tumblrites.

Political correctness is bullshit. Please tell me how it's suppose to help people like me.

Varvarstvo pointed out the irony of everyone else lashing out at me. Personally, I didn't care

Nobody is lashing out at you, we're having a conversation with you.

You seem to care plenty.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Varvarstvo pointed out the irony of everyone else lashing out at me. Personally, I didn't care

Well if you don't care, then why are you still replying to us?

As for the Trump thing? I won't lie, he's a mixed bag when he comes to his presidency and I don't agree with everything he says. But let's be honest here, a lot of the shit that's happened these past few months with the Norks and Alt-Right would still have happened if Hillary was in office. We just wouldn't know when or how different they would have turned out.

 

[Taily Puff]

Varvarstvo pointed out the irony of everyone else lashing out at me. Personally, I didn't care

Except to take a minute to indulge in some smugness about the irony in everyone else's intellectual inferiority.

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

Well, first there's these fuckers:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/antifa.28207/

Then you have the islamic apologists that scream how you're a racist for pointing out that the third snackbar driving a truck into a crowd of people might be an indication of some underlying problem with certain groups of middle-eastern people, and then there's this cunt:

Spoiler: Guess who?

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Oh, and then there's this little thing with some tranny trying to take down the Farms, but I'm sure that's nothing.

I showed you mine, now show me your's

you showed people you think are screaming about political correctness, here are mine

I can keep going

 

[Coldgrip]

you showed people you think are screaming about political correctness, here are mine

lol you take Alex Jones seriously.

As for Trump, he's not wrong, and I'd think that him condemning both the alt-right and the alt-left for the bullshit that's been going down should be a good indicator that he's not the evil right-wing boogeyman he's been made out to be.

I can keep going

Keep going, though all it's really doing is showing you have thin skin and fall for obvious provocateur.

Look, you don't seem like a bad guy and I believe that you honestly think you're surrounded by a bunch of alt-right wingers, but you're not. We just like to rile people up and yes, some of us here like Trump. Nothing deeper than that.

Oh and a huge dose of hyperbole, there's that too.

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

lol you take Alex Jones seriously.

As for Trump, he's not wrong, and I'd think that him condemning both the alt-right and the alt-left for the bullshit that's been going down should be a good indicator that he's not the evil right-wing boogeyman he's been made out to be.

I was listing people who have complained about political correctness "wronging" them I could keep going because lots of them REEEEEEE

 

[repentance]

As I said before, The first amendment gives you the right to free speech, but it does not protect you from the consequences of such actions. I agree that physical violence is disproportionate for wrongthink, but ridicule and scorn are appropriate consequences for discrimination.

Where is that accountability when SJWs do it?

You watched what happened during the US Presidential campaign. SJWs fear-mongered and whipped up hysteria to the point that people were posting that their children were scared of Trump winning. Unverified and unverifiable statements made their way around the world in an instant and people never stood up and said "oops, looks like that information was wrong - sorry". It's still happening, and there should be consequences for whipping up that type of hysteria, yet there are not. Instead, there's a persistent belief that the end justifies the means. Whatever is shared most on social media becomes "truth", objective facts be damned.

The rank hypocrisy of SJWs and their lack of accountability for that hypocrisy is disturbing. Not only are they failing to move in droves to the countries they continually maintain are better than the US, they want for themselves the very things they condemn the "alt-right" for wanting - stable incomes, nice neighbourhoods, decent healthcare.

Those with the means to remove themselves from crime-ridden neighbourhoods full of social problems don't stay there and "fix things from within". They move out, because they don't want to live surrounded by gangs and junkies any more than white separatists do (and if your belief is that 21 century white separatists want to build fortified compounds in the woods, you should probably take a look at Stormfront and see what their strategy is now). They believe there should be social programmes, but they don't want to live next door to the methadone clinics, the group homes or the mental health facilities - but good luck trying to get them to admit that they're discriminating against the marginalised. They are, but they package it in virtue signalling so they get a pass, when they they deserve ridicule and scorn every bit as much as the white, cishet Trump voter.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

I was listing people who have complained about political correctness "wronging" them I could keep going because lots of them REEEEEEE

So? We all could list people, doesn't change anything @Coldgrip has said. This is clearly getting under your skin and it's showing. Trump's proven that both sides are completely wrong, and the fact that everyone else is condemning him confirms that people can't get the hint at just how broken most people's thought processes are.

I can't say you're a shitty person, because you clearly aren't. But you're treating this as if it's a big deal.

 

[King Kong... with wings?]

You watched what happened during the US Presidential campaign. SJWs fear-mongered and whipped up hysteria to the point that people were posting that their children were scared of Trump winning. Unverified and unverifiable statements made their way around the world in an instant and people never stood up and said "oops, looks like that information was wrong - sorry". It's still happening, and there should be consequences for whipping up that type of hysteria, yet there are not. Instead, there's a persistent belief that the end justifies the means. Whatever is shared most on social media becomes "truth", objective facts be damned.

Critical thinking is gone from BOTH sides of the political spectrum, the SJW issue has come from these fake people who advocate for "social justice" when all they want is to not be criticized by anyone for any bad decisions they make like Chris. Real social justice warriors have been drowned out by the tumblrites who also use mental illness as a trendy thing.


Those with the means to remove themselves from crime-ridden neighbourhoods full of social problems don't stay there and "fix things from within". They move out, because they don't want to live surrounded by gangs and junkies any more than white separatists do. They believe there should be social programmes, but they don't want to live next door to the methadone clinics, the group homes or the mental health facilities - but good luck trying to get them to admit that they're discriminating against the marginalised. They are, but they package it in virtue signalling so they get a pass, when they they deserve ridicule and scorn every bit as much as the white, cishet Trump voter.

Would I consider those people discriminating for not wanting to live near those three things? No, I am aware these people can't fix things from within. I don't think many are aware of the social programmes though and how they are funded. My issue with the republican party is their obsession with money and hoarding it, We are the richest nation in the world, but our infrastructure and healthcare are akin to a 3rd world country's. The only thing republicans want to give money to is their rich supporters and the military. We have the ability to repair our country, but the GOP refuses to compromise on anything and their decisions are hurting people. Even with an all republican legislative and executive branch, nothing is passed because people are realizing that the GOP is not helping anybody and they demanded their legislators to stop trying to get rid of the ACA or "Obamacare".

If anything can be done to actually make Make America Great Again as Trump said for his slogan, he and congress should do things like GTFO of the middle east because by staying in there, we are further destabilizing the region than when we entered in 2003. Another is taxing the rich because Reaganomics doesn't work and all it does is put more pressure on the middle class. Another is offering incentives for companies to keep jobs in the US and punishing those who do not with fines and jail time. I also think removing automation from factories except in circumstances that are extremely hazardous to humans or require speed and precision that is beyond the average human

 

[Ruin]

Critical thinking is gone from BOTH sides of the political spectrum, the SJW issue has come from these fake people who advocate for "social justice" when all they want is to not be criticized by anyone for any bad decisions they make like Chris. Real social justice warriors have been drowned out by the tumblrites who also use mental illness as a trendy thing.


Those with the means to remove themselves from crime-ridden neighbourhoods full of social problems don't stay there and "fix things from within". They move out, because they don't want to live surrounded by gangs and junkies any more than white separatists do. They believe there should be social programmes, but they don't want to live next door to the methadone clinics, the group homes or the mental health facilities - but good luck trying to get them to admit that they're discriminating against the marginalised. They are, but they package it in virtue signalling so they get a pass, when they they deserve ridicule and scorn every bit as much as the white, cishet Trump voter.

Would I consider those people discriminating for not wanting to live near those three things? No, I am aware these people can't fix things from within. I don't think many are aware of the social programmes though and how they are funded. My issue with the republican party is their obsession with money and hoarding it, We are the richest nation in the world, but our infrastructure and healthcare are akin to a 3rd world country's. The only thing republicans want to give money to is their rich supporters and the military. We have the ability to repair our country, but the GOP refuses to compromise on anything and their decisions are hurting people. Even with an all republican legislative and executive branch, nothing is passed because people are realizing that the GOP is not helping anybody and they demanded their legislators to stop trying to get rid of the ACA or "Obamacare".

If anything can be done to actually make Make America Great Again as Trump said for his slogan, he and congress should do things like GTFO of the middle east because by staying in there, we are further destabilizing the region than when we entered in 2003. Another is taxing the rich because Reaganomics doesn't work and all it does is put more pressure on the middle class. Another is offering incentives for companies to keep jobs in the US and punishing those who do not with fines and jail time. I also think removing automation from factories except in circumstances that are extremely hazardous to humans or require speed and precision that is beyond the average human

"Punishing companies who outsource with fines or jail and banning automation."

But right wingers are the real fascists u guiz.