Debate user 'Null' if America has Cheese, Meat, and Bread.

[Booby Jones]

Do Americans have tiger bread? Quite possibly The Netherlands' greatest contribution to the world.

Yeah, it's called Dutch Crunch. They had it at a lot of places when I was in Cali-forn-i-a

 

[whatever I feel like]

I have never been to the USA, so I have no means to compare, but I've noticed Americans using the term "processed food" a lot. Even after Googling it I failed to figure out what it means exactly and why it is a bad thing. If I keep chickens, harvest their eggs and make an omelette out of them, it's technically processed food. Same goes for butchering them and cutting them up to smaller pieces to roast the meat on a BBQ.
I guess what you guys mean is, pumping food full of chemicals to make it stay "fresh" longer. In this case, how is America worse than Europe, when it comes to this practice?
Or, do you guys really douse everything in corn syrup?

Its a bullshit term. It means food that has had anything done to it at all that wasn't also done by people in, like, the 1200s. So shit like cheese, yogurt, beer, etc that has complex chemical reactions (or even cooking!) doesn't count as processed food, but only because of the politics involved at the conference that came up with the term.

 

[The Blue Morpho]

All the cheese segments

The part where he's looking at the picture of the cheese aisle is so retarded it gave me a third chromosome. Move the camera 2 feet to the fucking right for the massive wall of block-cheeses, every one of which has a "locally made" sticker attached

 

[popsoda]

I did a semester in Berlin for undergrad

And you had no laundry or air conditioning? There was no kitchen? And you used the stove to heat your accommodation?
The air condition I can believe, it's not really common here.

 

[Autistic Orson Welles]

this man who openly admits to drinking buffalo sauce directly from the bottle thinks America has no good food

 

[Swamp_Donkey]

The part where he's looking at the picture of the cheese aisle is so retarded it gave me a third chromosome. Move the camera 2 feet to the fucking right for the massive wall of block-cheeses, every one of which has a "locally made" sticker attached

“NOOOOO YOU LIVE IN A TOWN WITH MORE THAN TWO FAMILIES IT DOESNT COOUUUNNNTTTT”

 

[Cynically Insane]

American born abroad here. When I returned to America, my first job at a large workplace was at a USPS processing facility. I walked into the breakroom and there was a 300+ lbs woman with a sleeve of crackers and a can of spray cheese.

I had lived in quaint villages with butcher shops and coffee houses so the reality of the situation was lost on me until I saw that. What I learned is that many people in America, mostly the working poor, have no idea what food is.

Bake your own bread. It isn't that hard. I am learning to make my own cheese and cold cuts too. Without an expensive specialty shop everything you buy is shit. There are plenty of videos to help you learn how to make real food. You can get a good breadmaker at a thrift store for $20 if you don't have the time to knead.

Here is the best easy bread recipe. Perfect for dipping into sauces or slathering with honey and butter. They are better than many bakeries and no kneading.

 

[Bookwork]

My area's much blessed. Cheese: In walking distance, there are four delis, among them one that sells mozzarella made fresh daily in its kitchen along with ricotta di pecora imported from Sicily and burrata from Puglia. They also sell fresh pasta made daily on the premises. Among their meats are spicy sausages made on the premises and a wild boar salami made with sangiovese wine.

We have three bakeries - plus two supermarkets that bake bread and pastries every day. My favorite of the bakeries makes particularly good baguettes and sourdough loaves, plus ciabatta and croissants that are as good as any I had in Europe. (Sorry, Lyon, but you're still the outstanding winner on grattons and the only place here that I know of making tablier de sapeur is on a country road in the next state.)

The best meat close by my place is probably from the halal butcher. Mostly I just get gyros there, but I've bought very good beef and chicken from them. Haven't tried the goat yet. The delis have good sandwich meats.

Best produce is definitely from either of the two farmers' coop markets, so it's locally grown and not cultivars chosen because they can withstand being shipped and warehoused. There's a third farmers' market in summer. One of the year-round markets sells farm-made cheese, bread, and farm-cured meats, all of it quite good and varied from week to week.

Four blocks from my place is a microbrewery that makes damn good beers and the farmers' coop that doesn't do much in the way of local cheeses and meats does do locally distilled whiskey and bourbon. There are other brewers and distilleries in the wider area here as well.

We've got dozens of restaurants, maybe a third of them chef-owned, three ice cream/gelato shops that make their own, and four wine shops with completely different offerings.

Go farther than I like to walk and there's much more to be had.

I buy food more on the European pattern than the American because there are so many good places nearby. Instead of a big grocery haul once a week, I buy food for a couple of meals, depending on what I'm hungry for and what I see that looks good. I keep just basics in the kitchen so I can cook pretty much anything I bring home without having to remember to get rice, vinegar, olives, etc.

The system's not letting me upload images right now, but if I think about it, I'll circle back and put up a couple.

ETA: I forgot the bagel bakery that has a line by 6 a.m., a Central American cafe that opens at 8:30 a.m. with three kinds of freshly made filled doughnuts, and the Indian grocer who also shelves Thai, Korean, Chinese, and Japanese products.

We're a bougie suburb of one of the 25 largest cities in the U.S., but not very high up on that list. I've been to at least a dozen of the larger cities and have eaten well in all of them if I had a couple of hours to myself to forage - and that includes Las Vegas, home of plastic titties and plastic shrimp.

 

[Marsh Rabbit]

american chocolate really is some of the worst i have ever had

This is going to sound super snobbish but I've been eating guittard unsweetened chocolate for ages now and cannot go back to shitty milk chocolate. Maybe European milk chocolate is something beautiful, but, while I still cannot taste the vomit taste some people report, it is so much shittier than dark chocolate. And guittard is californian, not imported. This isn't to say all dark chocolate is good in America, though. Lindt tastes like shit wax. I've had brands that literally just tasted like dirt. It's awful out here for chocolate enjoyers. Cocoa powder is generally similar quality though, even Hershey's.

 

[Time 4 Guillotines]

I don't know much about this, but it's baffling to me how self-hating us Americans are nowadays. You guys do realize that we got ourselves into this mess right? We could uncuck the government but instead you guys just bitch and moan. Fucking retards.

Demoralizing and breaking the patriotism of Americans was the primary purpose of the Frankfurt School's plan for our country.
For example, the Moon landing. The real conspiracy wasn't a cover-up of the "fact" that we never actually went. The conspiracy was to spread disbelief in one of our greatest achievements.
You can't have nationalism without patriotism, and so they chisel away it.
It's an extension of the whole retarded ass "I love animals more than humans" attitude that's infected most people. That was a hot take 70 years ago but today it's just a symptom of being a niggercattle who deserves to be treated like an animal for allowing yourself to be dehumanized in exchange for social validation.

 

[ComStar]

I think the Greek market sells that is that the spiral phyllo type dough with cheese and spinach inside? If so its delicious.

That would be spanakopita, although i don't recall it being in a spiral. Might be a regional thing, seeing as we roll burek into a spiral in Bosnia, while in Serbia it's just layered in a pan

As i remember the greek versions tend to be lighter and fluffier. The balkan versions are heavy and more filling, seeing as we most often use regular thin dough, not filo.

krompiruša/sirnica/zeljanica just refers to the fillings (potatoes/cheese/spinach). These are not "real" burek per se and will probably get you ridiculed if you order burek with cheese

 

[DumbDude43]

I have never been to the USA, so I have no means to compare, but I've noticed Americans using the term "processed food" a lot. Even after Googling it I failed to figure out what it means exactly and why it is a bad thing. If I keep chickens, harvest their eggs and make an omelette out of them, it's technically processed food. Same goes for butchering them and cutting them up to smaller pieces to roast the meat on a BBQ.
I guess what you guys mean is, pumping food full of chemicals to make it stay "fresh" longer. In this case, how is America worse than Europe, when it comes to this practice?
Or, do you guys really douse everything in corn syrup

tl;dr:
things that come from a farm are real food
things that come from a factory or chemical plant are processed food

 

[NoReturn]

I own land and farm animals.
You are a fat expat.

Gimme eggs and milk.
I'll trade you silver coin.

 

[multiverse]

Yes, I can buy fresh baked bread and pastries (made daily), fresh meat from my local butcher, cured meats, and artisan local cheeses any day of rhe week in my midsized but quite famous (more famous than large) American city. I'm not doxing myself to show you, bro.

Agreed that most of the country is essentially a food desert where Wally World or Sam's Club / Costco and their factory farmed everything are the only game in town, tho. I'd say there's less than ten areas nationwide where a person can access all of the things you mentioned easily year round while walking around or taking public transportation, rather than driving for hours on a special trip.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

wake up babe, new copypasta just dropped

 

[Halmaz]

Its a bullshit term. It means food that has had anything done to it at all that wasn't also done by people in, like, the 1200s. So shit like cheese, yogurt, beer, etc that has complex chemical reactions (or even cooking!) doesn't count as processed food, but only because of the politics involved at the conference that came up with the term.

Thanks! I figured it's just another buzzword, because everything is processed that isn't completely raw, or beyond the actual carcass.

 

[Tiggletown]

Its a bullshit term. It means food that has had anything done to it at all that wasn't also done by people in, like, the 1200s. So shit like cheese, yogurt, beer, etc that has complex chemical reactions (or even cooking!) doesn't count as processed food, but only because of the politics involved at the conference that came up with the term.

This is correct, Null sperging out about a USDA factory cutting beef or a supermarket sourcing cheese and shrink wrapping it like putting a label on it makes it "Goy Slop"

I'm sure Any of us can find a better tasting cheese/bread/beef from the local Trader Joes or Kroger than some toothless Serbian Gypsy butchering his own antibiotic injected cyst covered cow.

Location doesn't matter either, it's all about not being poor.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

I have it on good authority that in the city of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, there exists a booming market for locally-produced artisanal cured meats. Ask for a Mr. Tomlinson, I hear pepperoni is in season right now.

 

[LeCoq]

I can go to the store 2 minutes from my house and get brined feta or a tube of goat cheese right this second and thats at the supermarket

That still is shit industrial cheese, only slighty fancier than the cheddar.

The cheese hiarchy of the amaricans supermarket from goyslop to fine cuisine : Plastic cheese in slices, plastic cheese, all kinds of cheddar, swiss, permesan (americans do feel fancy when putting some Kraft permesan on their pasta soaked in canned sauce), feta cheese (for the healthy yoga mom eating greek salad instead of a burger), goat cheese (waw buddy! is it some cheese made with goat milk??????), and, if your in the midwest, cheese curds (at least it is fresh and local).

 

[God's strongest milkman]

Florida man raised by a single mom ate processed foods and thinks that's that everyone in his country does. You were just poor nigga. I'm sorry.