Debate user "Sage In All Fields" on if men should want to fuck 14-year-olds

[Hannibalistique]

People that insist on arguing about age of consent should be locked up as a preventive measure.

And stop shitting up threads like the retards they are.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

I mean, 'basically no biological difference' means 'some biological difference,' so by your own words you're being a bit of a shrub rocketeer.

There is also some biological difference between an 18 year old woman and a 22 year old woman etc, but I don't see you advocating for an increase in the age of consent (although who knows you might be one of those people who thinks it needs to be increased to 25). This isn't the epic win you think it is.

But that aside, you don't think there might be a few mental differences, chief? Ah well, if there's grass on the wicket, amirite?

The mental differences are a self-fulfilling prophecy by and large. If you treat adults like children, they will behave like children. A 14 year old in the 1600s was almost incomprehensibly more mature compared to a 14 year old today. Scientific American wrote a great article on it a while back: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-teen-brain/

 

[Crankenstein]

There is also some biological difference between an 18 year old woman and a 22 year old woman etc, but I don't see you advocating for an increase in the age of consent (although who knows you might be one of those people who thinks it needs to be increased to 25). This isn't the epic win you think it is.


The mental differences are a self-fulfilling prophecy by and large. If you treat adults like children, they will behave like children. A 14 year old in the 1600s was almost incomprehensibly more mature compared to a 14 year old today. Scientific American wrote a great article on it a while back: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-teen-brain/

lol calm down

 

[Hannibalistique]

There is also some biological difference between an 18 year old woman and a 22 year old woman etc, but I don't see you advocating for an increase in the age of consent (although who knows you might be one of those people who thinks it needs to be increased to 25). This isn't the epic win you think it is.


The mental differences are a self-fulfilling prophecy by and large. If you treat adults like children, they will behave like children. A 14 year old in the 1600s was almost incomprehensibly more mature compared to a 14 year old today. Scientific American wrote a great article on it a while back: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-teen-brain/

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

If desiring teenagers makes you a pedophile, then every man is a pedophile.

Only a pedo, a coomer or an incel would desire a teenager or generally a zoomer. Healthy adult men know that there is more to relationships than just fucking.

14 year old women ARE adults, there is no 'thinking' involved, there is basically no biological difference between a 14 year old and an 18 year old.

But there is a big intellectual and life-experience difference.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Only a pedo, a coomer or an incel would desire a teenager or generally a zoomer. Healthy adult men know that there is more to relationships than just fucking.

There are reasons to prefer a younger person that are not purely hedonistic. Such as fertility, and the need for them to learn.

But there is a big intellectual and life-experience difference.

There will always be differences in life experiences, especially between men and women. The reason for how vast the difference in life experience is today is due to broken way people are raised nowadays where they are put through generational schooling and insulated from any sort of reality. None of this is inherent to age, in fact it's a clear sign that people's development is being stunted artificially.

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

Such as fertility, and the need for them to learn.

I doubt that someone who wants to fuck 14-years-old has anything of value to teach to anybody.

 

[Spud]

There are reasons to prefer a younger person that are not purely hedonistic. Such as fertility

No it's fucking not you retard. Men prefer younger because a 22 year old has a better potential for being good at relationships compared to a 32 year old. If you're so concerned with fertility and "Securing your genetic legacy", go to an African country and sleep around. You'll leave with some STDs and women birthing your kids that'll secure your legacy better than trying to fuck a 14 year old.

 

[rel=alternate]

People that insist on arguing about age of consent should be locked up as a preventive measure.

And stop shitting up threads like the retards they are.

This

There is also some biological difference between an 18 year old woman and a 22 year old woman etc, but I don't see you advocating for an increase in the age of consent (although who knows you might be one of those people who thinks it needs to be increased to 25). This isn't the epic win you think it is.


The mental differences are a self-fulfilling prophecy by and large. If you treat adults like children, they will behave like children. A 14 year old in the 1600s was almost incomprehensibly more mature compared to a 14 year old today. Scientific American wrote a great article on it a while back: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-myth-of-the-teen-brain/

Coming from a country where the age of consent is about 15, I think that you are misunderstanding the actual meaning of it in favor of some kind of fantasy.

Do you go to jail if you are 32 and you have sex with a 16 years old? No. If you match all the conditions; meaning that you are not in a position of authority, no coercion, exchange of money etc...

Does it make you a creep who will get beat up? Of course. It's not because it's legal that it is considered normal.

It's more that we don't need the whole Romeo and Juliet BS where you are a sex offender because you date someone a few years older and you are yourself underage. That's what it is intended to be.

Nobody accepts huge age gaps relationships with minors in the places where it is legal, much less celebrate them.

 

[Backinpogform]

And what about the 14-year-old’s perspective? What about her perspective when she’s 24? 34?

If it’s all so normal and wonderful, why can’t you find a large group of women who agree with you? Almost every single women will have had some disturbing encounter with a pervert as a child yet ALL they talk about is how traumatic and violating it was to have an adult man attempt to/touch them. So let’s look at chomos favourite argument - the boy bands raping fucking starry eyed kids as proof they’re up for it? You don’t even have to go as far as kissing or sex. look at someone like Austin Jones, he didn’t physically touch most of his victims yet we see the lifelong damage he did to them.

You have women who were famous as teenagers say this all the time. Tabs Mongeau is very vocal about how much her inappropriate relationship with Shane Dawson fucked her up, and he’s a fag who wasn’t trying to get in her pants. Millie Bobby Brownnwas vehemently defending her ‘boyfriend’ 3 years ago and now? You guessed it, she’s in therapy.

Chomos completely remove how this shit affects women from the conversation. You do that because you don’t actually care how paedophelia affects us, even though you’re perfectly aware. It’s why you have to use the internet to catfish and groom children because in the real world girls are afraid of grown men who try to fuck them. And if they’re not, they figure it out when they are actual adults. There’s a reason child brides killing themselves when they hit 20 is such a phenomenon.

 

[soryu2electricboogaloo]

The mental differences are a self-fulfilling prophecy by and large. If you treat adults like children, they will behave like children. A 14 year old in the 1600s was almost incomprehensibly more mature compared to a 14 year old today.

What do you specifically mean when you say they'll "behave like children"? Let's say we treat an adult like a child in the 1600s, would you say the same thing? You're coping.
I think society is to blame for this guy to actually fall for the meme that teens are worthy of being in equal relationships with adults. People's brains aren't even fully developed until about the year 25. I pray this guy is younger than 25 and that can explain a few things.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

There are reasons to prefer a younger person that are not purely hedonistic. Such as fertility, and the need for them to learn.

Ok, except I thought you said there's barely any difference biologically between a 14 and an 18 or 20 year old.

"The need for them to learn"? I thought you said the differences in maturity are all just a product of society anyways, so a 20 year old should have just as much to learn.

You can't keep switching sides between "There's no logical reason for people to say it's wrong to want to screw 14 year olds because there's no difference" and "It makes total sense to want to screw 14 year olds because they're different in xyz ways".

That's exactly the way this shit always goes though, because realistically outside of recognizing that post-pubescent minors can be physically attractive, there is no reason to pursue them in specific over someone who's in, say, the 18-25 range aside from the fact that they're less independent and thus easier to control and manipulate.

So yes, a 16 year old can certainly be attractive. No, there is no non-predatory reason to pursue 16 year olds specifically if you're a grown 30 year old man. I think the half your age + 7 rule is pretty reasonable guideline personally.

No it's fucking not you retard. Men prefer younger because a 22 year old has a better potential for being good at relationships compared to a 32 year old. If you're so concerned with fertility and "Securing your genetic legacy", go to an African country and sleep around. You'll leave with some STDs and women birthing your kids that'll secure your legacy better than trying to fuck a 14 year old.

Right, guys like this and Boxer and w/e go on about how it only makes biological sense to want to screw 14 year olds, except it doesn't because humans have children that require a lot of investment both in carrying and rearing.

The raw fertility advantage of a girl being very young is more than offset by her unfitness as a mother. Niggers need to stop leveraging half-formed evolutionary biology to try to trick people into accepting their weird nonsense.

 

[the hustler cat]

Young girls are at a bigger health risk during pregnancies https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24641534/

We all know that the human body, including female hips, is not done developing after puberty. Female hips reach their full width between 25-30 years even. This also coincides with the best birthing years, somehow!

Even in the 13th century normal marriage age was at 22 years for women, so it's not like it was the standard for people back to go around marrying and impregnating children. Appeal to history doesn't apply here...
Source:
Hallam, H. E. “Age at First Marriage and Age at Death in the Lincolnshire Fenland, 1252- 1478.” Population Studies, vol. 39, no. 1, 1985, pp. 55–69. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/2174029. Accessed 20 Dec. 2022.

Girls as young as 5 are on record of giving birth, doesn't mean we should do it lmao.

Anyway not coming back to this thread afterwards because it's a silly discussion, exercise your literacy all you want.

 

[rel=alternate]

because in the real world girls are afraid of grown men who try to fuck them. And if they’re not, they figure it out when they are actual adults.

This is a very good point.

I am not that old (so still relatable I guess), and I knew a few girls in high school who dated older dudes (in there 20s mind you, nothing more than 10 year age gap), and none of them were what you would call "well adjusted".

• One was a fat ugly girl really into metal
• Another was a slut, and came from a broken family, was kinda nice but really dumb.
• The last one was a dude, and a faggot, also a fucking snitch, I hope he got aids.

Older people who date teenagers have a type, and it's vulnerable people. And my female friends were the first ones to gossip/mock the shit out of it.

 

[Wormy]

Kill yourself, chester. No negotiating with pedos.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

No it's fucking not you retard. Men prefer younger because a 22 year old has a better potential for being good at relationships compared to a 32 year old. If you're so concerned with fertility and "Securing your genetic legacy", go to an African country and sleep around. You'll leave with some STDs and women birthing your kids that'll secure your legacy better than trying to fuck a 14 year old.

I'm not sure what point you're arguing against.

Coming from a country where the age of consent is about 15, I think that you are misunderstanding the actual meaning of it in favor of some kind of fantasy.

Not really, there are numerous recorded instances of this occurring and very little in the way of objection on the grounds of age. You are projecting modern sensibilities onto history.

And what about the 14-year-old’s perspective? What about her perspective when she’s 24? 34?

You can make the same argument for a 20 year old.

If it’s all so normal and wonderful, why can’t you find a large group of women who agree with you?

Although this isn't evidence in the first instance, I'd like to point out that it depends on what you mean by large. If we took women's actions into account, it's quite clear that there is a sizable portion of the female population that openly expresses their attraction to young men, occasionally to the point of executing on that. I've also had numerous conversations with women who also hold a similar viewpoint to me on this topic.

Almost every single women will have had some disturbing encounter with a pervert as a child yet ALL they talk about is how traumatic and violating it was to have an adult man attempt to/touch them. So let’s look at chomos favourite argument - the boy bands raping fucking starry eyed kids as proof they’re up for it? You don’t even have to go as far as kissing or sex. look at someone like Austin Jones, he didn’t physically touch most of his victims yet we see the lifelong damage he did to them.

This trauma is caused by casual and blase attitudes towards sex. It has nothing to do with age, hence why women express similar trauma in the form of accusations of rape and sexual assault in adulthood. I don't make a distinction between these behaviors.

You have women who were famous as teenagers say this all the time. Tabs Mongeau is very vocal about how much her inappropriate relationship with Shane Dawson fucked her up, and he’s a fag who wasn’t trying to get in her pants. Millie Bobby Brownnwas vehemently defending her ‘boyfriend’ 3 years ago and now? You guessed it, she’s in therapy.

I wasn't involved in the relationship so I can only hypothesize based on general observations, but from what I can tell if people tell you are being abused eventually you will begin to believe that.

It’s why you have to use the internet to catfish and groom children because in the real world girls are afraid of grown men who try to fuck them. And if they’re not, they figure it out when they are actual adults.

All women are afraid of men who try want to have sex with them unless they're attracted to them, that's normal and healthy behavior.

There’s a reason child brides killing themselves when they hit 20 is such a phenomenon.

Many wives kill themselves, that doesn't mean marriage is bad. Many child brides are also extraordinarily happy with the arrangement and it has allowed them to have lives they otherwise would not have been able to have.

Young girls are at a bigger health risk during pregnancies https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24641534/

Two issues with this:
- Countries with worse healthcare are more likely to have younger marriage, partly on account of the lower life expectancy. The greater health risk is primarily a function of this.
- Perimenopausal women are also at a greater health risk during pregnancy, but we don't use this as a reason to deny them relationships.
Take note of the conclusion of the study: "Pregnancy prevention strategies and the improvement of healthcare interventions are crucial to reduce adverse pregnancy outcomes among adolescent women in low- and middle-income countries"

We all know that the human body, including female hips, is not done developing after puberty. Female hips reach their full width between 25-30 years even. This also coincides with the best birthing years, somehow!

The vast majority of pelvic development is done by the point of menarche. Additionally the female body is designed to adapt to the load of pregnancy so there is ample wiggle room in this area.

Even in the 13th century normal marriage age was at 22 years for women, so it's not like it was the standard for people back to go around marrying and impregnating children. Appeal to history doesn't apply here...
Source:
Hallam, H. E. “Age at First Marriage and Age at Death in the Lincolnshire Fenland, 1252- 1478.” Population Studies, vol. 39, no. 1, 1985, pp. 55–69. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/2174029. Accessed 20 Dec. 2022.

I suggest you take the time to read this paper, since it's saying quite a bit more than what you're suggesting. Additionally my point regarding the history of this is meant as a refutation of the notion that opposition to this is normal.

Girls as young as 5 are on record of giving birth, doesn't mean we should do it lmao.

Anyway not coming back to this thread afterwards because it's a silly discussion, exercise your literacy all you want.

Menarche at that age is a disorder. I'm talking about women experiencing biologically normal development.

And my female friends were the first ones to gossip/mock the shit out of it.

It's quite normal for women to gossip about other women when they're jealous of them.

 

[rel=alternate]

@Sage In All Fields

Not really, there are numerous recorded instances of this occurring and very little in the way of objection on the grounds of age. You are projecting modern sensibilities onto history.

I am literally from a country where it's legal right now, you're not going to explain to me how it goes.

I don't fucking need to advocate for it, I am legally allowed to. And I don't want it to change.

I think American laws are fucking retarded. I don't want my kid to be a sex offender because he sent a pic of his dick to some girl, or to be arrested for possession of CP of his fucking self.

What I find troubling is your reason for advocacy of lowering the age of consent. You're not trying to make things work smoothly and reasonably, you just want a free card to try and fuck teenagers.

 

[X Prime]

What the fuck is this.

No difference between 14 and 18? Dear Lord.

 

[Backinpogform]

Your entire response can be summed up as “okay but those facts hurt my justification for ruining children’s lives so therefore I don’t care.”

Also, since you’re just saying “who cares about the feelings and damage towards the victims?” At least have the good grace to not try and claim they’re just as predatory as you. It’s so unbelievably rare for a woman to rape a child -in fact when absolutely no men are involved in the abuse - it makes news headlines all across the Western world when it does happen. I can’t even think of a case of a solo woman grooming a bunch of kids online just to fuck them. Entire tv shows have been dedicated to the concept of male predators doing just that.

Coomers are so far removed from reality.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

What I find troubling is your reason for advocacy of lowering the age of consent. You're not trying to make things work smoothly and reasonably, you just want a free card to try and fuck teenagers.

What you find troubling is the reason you made up to explain why I would hold this opinion, because the idea that a person on principle does not share your belief is incomprehensible to you.

It’s so unbelievably rare for a woman to rape a child -in fact when absolutely no men are involved in the abuse - it makes news headlines all across the Western world when it does happen.

I don't dispute that women by and large have a preference for older men.