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My position is simple, I don't feel I have the right to dodge the draft, given I have a family military legacy and I would rather be at the front than hiding in my own piss when the nukes pound my city. Discuss.
Debate WelperHelper99 if he should serve in WW3 despite knowing the risks and the leaders of his country are assholes
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Girl Named Sandoz
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there's not much to discuss when you've obviously made up your mind already and won't listen to reason, even from actual veterans telling you how retarded it is. i don't think you're actually stupid. just painfully, suicidally naive
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Dying for the current incarnation of America isn't worth it. That is to say nothing of the concepts of "unjustified" and "justified" wars.
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From my position, if war is going to happen, America is on a collision course, the tracks are blown, nothing can stop it... why should I sit it out? ICBM's are basically gonna wipe out the main inhabited area of Utah, so I'm dead if I stay, but at least if I fight, I might have a future, and be able to rebuild once and if I come back.
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I understand the feeling because it was the same for my family (if you go back far enough most men in every family participated in wars anyway), but those I knew fought for things that go contrary to what I would fight for if I were to fight for the current establishment.
If you think more about it and not simply "war, no war", then you realize that the important thing is to continue their fight, not to simply participate in any random war that happens in your life time.
What did they fought for? What did they believe in? Find that out, and fight for those things. I'm pretty sure it won't manifest itself in "you should participate in a war between Whites for jews and globohomo".
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i dont feel as if OP is trolling
and is an understandable stance to take if coming from a military family
also says he would rather be fighting than sitting around when the nukes fly
that is a fair point, but that hinges on nukes flying, what if you join and instead of nukes flying youre just now part of the complex?
it might instead be that you mean youd rather be fully trained BECAUSE nukes will fly not "IF" they do, and this is influencing your position
and is an understandable stance to take if coming from a military family
also says he would rather be fighting than sitting around when the nukes fly
that is a fair point, but that hinges on nukes flying, what if you join and instead of nukes flying youre just now part of the complex?
it might instead be that you mean youd rather be fully trained BECAUSE nukes will fly not "IF" they do, and this is influencing your position
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Let me make it clear, I'm not for the establishment. They are evil. At the same time, I don't think they'll be in existence once the nukes start falling. I think the world will be much more Starship Troopers at that point once we've wasted our nukes. Russia and China, just as we do at their capitols, has enough firepower pointed at DC to leave it a smoking crater. And at that point, my job is to survive and rebuild. That's gonna be far easier with cargo planes and mil spec bulldozers.
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Is there even time to get drafted in a WW3? It will be Fallout 76 immediately.
How about being drafted for a proxy war, or to the Space Force to fight aliens?
How about being drafted for a proxy war, or to the Space Force to fight aliens?
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That completely depends on the war. If the nukes start flying I don't know if anyone's making it. You really won't have a much higher a chance of surviving by being out on the front.
Plus that points to an issue with the whole discussion, which is that war has changed, significantly. If heavy international armed conflict breaks out, it isn't going to be raw manpower out in trenches or storming beaches that's going to do it, war's going to be fought in large part with machines, microchips, etc.
In fact my personal belief is that war of that type (WWII style I mean) is basically obsolete. We exist in a perpetual cold war, where it's all proxy wars and soft power struggles and where if things boil over it's mutually assured destruction.
For you personally, I'm not sure if they'd even deploy you because you're a welder, they'd probably give you slight retraining and send you off to weld armor plating. You may be eager to head out to the front lines, but there's a whole lot of fodder that would be better suited. You're probably more useful in a factory than you are with a gun.
My ultimate point is that if WW3 transpired, I don't think we'd have any frame of reference for how that would play out assuming it didn't involve everyone fucking dying, so I'm not sure how much value there is in speculation.
Idk, from what I understand my grandfather fought because he was young and the economy was pretty bad and joining the military was a sure job. He was a good soldier and instructor who took it seriously, but I think people oversell how much troops in the past believed in the cause.
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Serving your country is a noble and selfless act.
Serving the government, Israel, and it's bitches is an idiotic act.
Die for your fellow man, not for the interests of central banking and a dozen tyrants we call our leaders.
Your country is being invaded, it's culture erased, and it's people replaced.
There is nothing out there for you to defend that is more important than whats going on at home.
Don't go.
Serving the government, Israel, and it's bitches is an idiotic act.
Die for your fellow man, not for the interests of central banking and a dozen tyrants we call our leaders.
Your country is being invaded, it's culture erased, and it's people replaced.
There is nothing out there for you to defend that is more important than whats going on at home.
Don't go.
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The chance they put me in a factory is high, I'll admit that much. As for warfare itself, don't kid yourself. They were planning to fight and win a nuclear war since the 50's. Why do you think even a little armored personel carrier, a box with tracks, always comes with a air scrubber?
And we have
way less nukes and way less powerful ones than back then. Many would be wasted on bases and strategic targets, and quite a few shot down by BMD missiles on our destroyers in the ocean. There would certainly be massive damage, but I doubt extinction levels. There would be need for people with access to heavy machinery (the military) to rebuild and not have society devolve into mad max, as well as keep back what remains of whomever we pissed off.
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Welper I'll leave you something from my grandfather (A WW2 vet, didn't see active service but still). He hated how this country was in the final eyars and while he barely mentioned it, when he did you could tell how he felt like a stranger in his own country. He was super stoked for Trump and probably super glad that the America he remembered living through might come back. He passed before Biden was (s)elected and those last few weeks were traumatic for me because while he was never a physically strong man in all the time I remember him, how quickly he degraded was terrifying.
If your military ancestors saw current year America they would despise it completely. None of them would see it as something worth fighting for. You aren't making them proud thinking this is the way to go. America as it existed up until the year 2000 is completely gone, there is nothing left to fight for.
If your military ancestors saw current year America they would despise it completely. None of them would see it as something worth fighting for. You aren't making them proud thinking this is the way to go. America as it existed up until the year 2000 is completely gone, there is nothing left to fight for.
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Dodge the draft. Shoot gay butt sex communists, shoot blue helmet niggers, and shoot mongol machismo gay butt sex communists,. Simple as. Take the Insurgent/Minuteman pill. Dying for your government is not dying for your country. I denounce the talmud and I hate the anti-christ.
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Thread tl;dr retarded teenage zoomer thinks he knows better than everyone with actual real life experience and is increasingly excited to die for political masters who don't give a fuck about him, but won't actually enlist because he has to be drafted first.
I feel like you've watched Forrest Gump once and wanted to be "special" like Lieutenant Dan so made up this bullshit about every generation being in the military so you could get good boy points from KF vets because people who volunteered usually have iron clad principles, not realizing all of us are extremely jaded because we've lived long enough to see the country we love turn into something we hate.
Stop attention whoring and go enjoy being a teenager. Dumbass.
I feel like you've watched Forrest Gump once and wanted to be "special" like Lieutenant Dan so made up this bullshit about every generation being in the military so you could get good boy points from KF vets because people who volunteered usually have iron clad principles, not realizing all of us are extremely jaded because we've lived long enough to see the country we love turn into something we hate.
Stop attention whoring and go enjoy being a teenager. Dumbass.
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If you do it, you're a cuck. Plain and simple.
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Not only do you have a moral obligation to dodge a draft but a duty to convince your government that every leftist is actively colluding with the enemy. Only way to secure the future
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That's not how nuclear war works. What happens it that Russia/China fires off a single nuke that absolutely incinerates Hill AFB, because Hill AFB has facilities related to nuclear weapons. That means the city of Ogden and its suburbs are annihilated. Literally nothing else is in Utah, because that is the only facility in Utah related to nuclear war. Salt Lake City or other nearby cities see a mushroom cloud and might get hit with fallout if the nuke goes off too close to the ground and the wind is blowing the wrong way, but that's a minor issue--stay indoors.
This is because Russia and China do not have the missiles to spare nuking random cities, since they want to keep as many nukes as possible and want to eliminate the US military's nuclear triad and ability to use it (i.e. cause national blackouts by nuking key parts of the power grid). Utah does have important parts of the Western US grid, but there are many other important parts and they'd do much more damage by hitting cities in Colorado and Texas (which also have way more infrastructure for nuclear war).
So instead of dying for globohomo in the Ukraine, it's far safer to simply get the hell away from Hill AFB.
You might've had more room to speak before 2022 and Russia and Ukraine having a WWI re-enactment. That's how WWIII will look unless we go full nuclear war, since neither side will be able to gain--and keep--air superiority and thus war will become a matter of keeping an industrial economy functioning so you can feed men into the meatgrinder.
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I hope OP gets his wish and livestreams his death from a mine, mortar or missile for my entertainment.
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If you were drafted today, your commander-in-chief would be a mush-mouthed, senile retard who has voted for and cheered for every unjust war and invasion in your lifetime, whose administration handed billions of dollars of military equipment to their enemies in Afghanistan through sheer ineptitude. He's been sending rubes like you to get their arms and legs blown off gunning down brown civilians since before you were born. There's no reason to believe the next guy won't be as corrupt or inept, because all of them in your lifetime have been equally corrupt and inept.
Your intelligence would come down through layers of glowniggers who have always hated you and done everything in their power to ruin the entire world, many of them literal torturers who oversaw Bush's waterboarding program.
Your armor welding job would expose you to radioactive materials and carcinogenic chemicals, and if you lived long enough to die from the cancer, your government would begrudgingly give your next of kin a few bucks as part of a class-action lawsuit decades later.
When you're honorably discharged back to the States with PSTD and shrapnel in your brain, twisted perverts who hate their country and everything it stands for will spit on you and mock you and call you the very things your grandparents presumably fought against simply for doing your duty to protect them and their degenerate way of life. Your country's mismanaged Department of Veteran's Affairs will make it a Kafkaesque nightmare to get even a fucking baby aspirin from a VA hospital for the shrapnel in your body, which will cause you paralyzing pain for the rest of your life. If you think I'm exaggerating, this has been the experience of a family friend, who was hit with IEDs in Iraq and is now so wracked with pain from his injuries that he can't hold down a basic desk job.
If, despite all this, you're still willing to carry a gun for the people who hate you, then I can only say good luck, and thank you for your service.
Your intelligence would come down through layers of glowniggers who have always hated you and done everything in their power to ruin the entire world, many of them literal torturers who oversaw Bush's waterboarding program.
Your armor welding job would expose you to radioactive materials and carcinogenic chemicals, and if you lived long enough to die from the cancer, your government would begrudgingly give your next of kin a few bucks as part of a class-action lawsuit decades later.
When you're honorably discharged back to the States with PSTD and shrapnel in your brain, twisted perverts who hate their country and everything it stands for will spit on you and mock you and call you the very things your grandparents presumably fought against simply for doing your duty to protect them and their degenerate way of life. Your country's mismanaged Department of Veteran's Affairs will make it a Kafkaesque nightmare to get even a fucking baby aspirin from a VA hospital for the shrapnel in your body, which will cause you paralyzing pain for the rest of your life. If you think I'm exaggerating, this has been the experience of a family friend, who was hit with IEDs in Iraq and is now so wracked with pain from his injuries that he can't hold down a basic desk job.
If, despite all this, you're still willing to carry a gun for the people who hate you, then I can only say good luck, and thank you for your service.
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you do you man, im fat and retarded so im not doing shit in the military