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bouquetnine said:
It's not quite that easy. Transgenderism is a cult. [...] And then there's the physical changes... [...]
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People can't think of it like that. A far better way to think of it is that reality is dynamic; and that, as I've continually pushed, life rules over abstraction. Most transgenderist body modifications cases are hormonal, (thankfully) not surgical. If a man has more fat in his chest, let him redefine "man" to include that. If a woman has a deeper voice, let her redefine "woman" to include that. Not to enforce in universality (as is gender ideologues do), but to enforce in particularity.

People converted to transgenderism will near certainly not fit into a current idea of a transcendent truth of what "man" and "woman" is.

The alternative seems to be all detransitioning efforts getting bottlenecked on this problem.
 
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BigMan13 said:
People can't think of it like that. A far better way to think of it is that reality is dynamic; and that, as I've continually pushed, life rules over abstraction. Most transgenderist body modifications cases are hormonal, (thankfully) not surgical. If a man has more fat in his chest, let him redefine "man" to include that. If a woman has a deeper voice, let her redefine "woman" to include that. Not to enforce in universality (as is gender ideologues do), but to enforce in particularity.

People converted to transgenderism will near certainly not fit into a current idea of a transcendent truth of what "man" and "woman" is.

The alternative seems to be all detransitioning efforts getting bottlenecked on this problem.
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What I was getting at is that it's not as simple as, "stop taking hormones". They need more support than that. And that is the stated purpose of this thread. Most men could simply stop taking hormones and present as a guy with no problem, as surgical intervention is relatively low, but the social impact remains. There seems to be a lot of pressure to push surgical intervention on young girls, and testosterone has a much more dramatic impact on the female body. Their needs are different.
 
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This is such a weird thread. I don't want these weirdos to detransition. They're more amusing as chaotic, histrionic messes. Let them goon in discord. Let them stew and brew about politics. If they all got normal, we would lose some of the best content on this site. Aside from being hot, they can be super amusing from time to time.

If anything, there should be a thread on resources for transitioning. Teach these weird reddit addicts and shut-ins how to transition. Teach them how to in the most dangerous ways. How to homebrew hormones. How to cut their own junk off. Who was that weirdo who cut his own dick off? Dorian Thorn? He wasn't a tranny, but step-by-step instructions should be given on how to achieve this.

Trannies amuse the shit out of me. Don't change them at all.
 
bouquetnine said:
It's not quite that easy. Transgenderism is a cult. Most have have burnt bridges with friends and family embracing the cult. Leaving the cult means being demonized by the rest of the cult and losing those "friends" too. This is the real reason so many transgenders commit suicide. If they regret it, they have nothing to turn to. Some people are lucky if their family will take them back, but that involves swallowing a lot of pride. Transgenderism and narcissism go hand in hand, so this step is extraordinarily difficult. And then there's the physical changes... What is a man without a cock? What's a woman with a beard and a deep voice? These people are going to struggle in normal society.
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I think another part of it is that it can work as a criticism immuniser in some circles. I go to this autism event centre in my university. Tbh, I feel quite unwelcome there because where often there is this obnoxious woman who wants to become a man.

They remind me of a lot of people I know on the spectrum in the sense that you can tell they have very little experience with the real world. Very aggressively makes being trans there whole personality. I remember I was talking to this girl and this woman just rudely interrupted me to give a speech about how the main character in fight club was actually gay. I didn't care but they kept going until I agreed with them to get them to stfu.

A couple of days ago I was talking with someone about chainsaw man but they interrupted. Soon they were having a one sided conversation about trans representation in various TV shows. During this conversation I learned a few little tidbits like the fact that they had unrestricted Internet access when they were nine. They became obsessed with gay terms at eleven apparently. All so revealing. Oh, and their parents paid for their college accommodation.

Anyways, that's all they talk about. How this TV character is gay coded or actually a transman. Guess what would of happened if I asked them to talk about something else? I did pop the question of "when did you realise you were trans" only to be given "asks the straight guy, can you feel all the air being sucked out of the room". And when I tried to talk about something they literally pulled a grumpy face. I gave them a death stare..

Anyways, I hope to avoid them but seriously. It was aggravating on a mass scale. You can just tell when someone has never gone through anything or experienced anything of the real world. Just hyper online personality type.
 
BigMan13 said:
Share detransition success stories as well. From people you know the story of (personally or internet).

Myself, I got nothing. Most I have is people being less aggressively trans, which has counted for something. It makes them less annoying.
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I've known a few "they/them"s that give up the nonbinary thing after they get a real job. They stop wanting to correct people 24/7 and eventually grow out of it. A friend of a friend stopped being nonbinary because, and I quote, "I want there to be more positive male role models" (he was a liberal bio-male that identified as nonbinary to "not be toxicly masculine"). Another friend of a friend, formerly a fujo pooner, got pregnant and went back to using her female birth name.

The ones who went really deep into transition (like with bottom surgery and all) are the ones who have the hardest time detransitioning (but some still do) because of the sunk-cost fallacy. But anyone who didn't fuck up their body too bad, like if they never started medical transition in the first place, usually grows out of it.

You'd think for people who always talk about how "identity is fluid", they'd be more accepting of people changing their mind about transitioning. I think another aspect that makes it hard for people to detransition is they usually join a "queer"/troon friend group, and detransition usually means losing all their friends.

Also, on a subconscious level, at least for MTFs, I'm sure a lot of them feel relieved from the male gender role of being a provider. A lot of MTFs just want to coast thru life and find a sugar daddy to pay for them. They are extremely lazy individuals that don't want to work on themselves and want to blame external factors instead. Being trans is a permanent victim card.
 
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Also, on a subconscious level, at least for MTFs, I'm sure a lot of them feel relieved from the male gender role of being a provider. A lot of MTFs just want to coast thru life and find a sugar daddy to pay for them. They are extremely lazy individuals that don't want to work on themselves and want to blame external factors instead. Being trans is a permanent victim card.
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I don't quite agree. A lot of these guys are already losers, in relationships where the woman is also working and helping out a lot (or doing the most) so he isn't particularly stressed, or he's older and the kids are already grown (or just older kids) and his career is nearing it's end or in it's swing and he can take it easy. They're not put upon. They're just narcissists.

Most of the detransition resources would help groomed young people but a lot of the older MTF types just do it because they're sexually deranged narcissists.
 
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Also, on a subconscious level, at least for MTFs, I'm sure a lot of them feel relieved from the male gender role of being a provider. A lot of MTFs just want to coast thru life and find a sugar daddy to pay for them. They are extremely lazy individuals that don't want to work on themselves and want to blame external factors instead. Being trans is a permanent victim card.
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I would say Peter Pan syndrome. It's a rejection of adulthood/adult responsibilities by people who don't feel they are emotionally prepared for it. They don't want to be women or men, they want to be girls or boys. This is a list of Peter Pan syndrome symptoms:
  • Chronic unemployment or underemployment. An otherwise capable person may refuse to look for jobs. They may be constantly kicked out of jobs due to absenteeism or misbehavior.
  • Not doing one’s fair share at home. A person might get married and have children, but spend most of their days playing video games while their partner works, cleans, and tends to the children.
  • Relying on someone else to take care of financial responsibilities. A person with Peter Pan syndrome might rely on others to take care of money issues (without contributing something of value in return such as childcare).
  • Failure to launch. A person may remain at home with their parents in spite of opportunities to earn money, get a job, or move out.
  • Emotional outbursts when facing stressful situations.
  • A tendency to make excuses and blame others when things go wrong.
  • Little or no interest in personal growth.
  • Expectations of being taken care of.
Sound familiar?

The identification as "trans girls" is an example of how the goal is not to become a female version of themselves, but a completely different person altogether. The adult self is destroyed, replaced with eternal childhood-or perhaps, eternal infantilization. Now they don't have to do anything except play with toys their girldicks and expect an omnipotent and infinitely loving parent to care for them. Little girls don't have to do any adult responsibilities like get jobs. It's not just about refusing to mature physically, it's about refusing to mature emotionally too. No wonder they're in love with the idea of halting puberty.

Think of a society made of clones of Kevin Gibes. Grown adults trapped at the emotional development of four year olds: forever following their own whims and pleasure-seeking for the approval of Mommy, who is not a guiding parent but a best friend that gives them everything that they demand without hesitation. Being told 'no' is unfair, so the appropriate reaction is to scream to Mommy to remedy the unfairness. The only purpose of their sexual organs is self-gratification, so they can be molded into whatever gives them the most pleasure. And of course, utterly unable to function as adults. No pesky adult responsibilities, just feeling cute, playing, and occasionally stroking your girldick.

This is also why almost all troons are deeply emotionally immature too. Their psychological defenses are child-like: They don't accept responsibility and blame others for their failures, they prioritize their own desires over others, they expect to be taken care of, they value escapism to an unhealthy degree, and they have no interest in building a career or growing up as a person. They want to remain immature adults.

This may be why so many of them are pro-communist/socialist, since they expect that the government will take care of all of their needs for them under such a system. It fits with their desire for someone else to take care of them/rejection of adult responsibilities.

Also see here.
 
any child (at one time) that falls prey to transgenderism and keeps falling into dick chop/chemicals and beyond without being brought back is, at the end of the day, an irreversible loss to man of potential

ideally, very ideally, they catch themselves pre chemical/surgery, but even then, it's never too late to turn around, and every single person has more importance in the web of human interactions than they know, even people like chris chan etc

"transing" will ever only be a thing beyond our use when we get to science fic tier body restructuring and cloning tech, and even then likely beyond the common man in terms of price for who knows how long, scientists and retards directly lie about starfishing penis and hooking it to the colon being a natural, self lubricating and cleaning vagina for one reason or another

be gay, be a politard even, even believe/know you're a woman in a man's body or vice versa, but deal with it, learn how much you're lied to, and do your responsibility to your friends to help pull them back from their cliffs too
"stop it, get some help" YOU CAN DOOOOO ITTTTT
 
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Also, on a subconscious level, at least for MTFs, I'm sure a lot of them feel relieved from the male gender role of being a provider. A lot of MTFs just want to coast thru life and find a sugar daddy to pay for them. They are extremely lazy individuals that don't want to work on themselves and want to blame external factors instead. Being trans is a permanent victim card.
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That's always been my biggest problem with MTFs, they're so ridiculously sexist even to themselves. They so aggressively fetishize wanting to be housewives. They like cooking and cleaning, and being so helpful and emotionally open. Like, sir, you can do this as a man. Even the most manly men do this shit. Yet they genuinely didn't start doing those things until they became "women." So instead of just doing it, they have to cosplay to be functional human beings that actually contribute somewhere in their lives.
 
Broadside said:
Honestly if you fall for the societal shit test and believe men/women can just magically turn into women/men, you probably deserve to self-sterilize. I have barely any sympathy for detroons, because before buyer's remorse kicked in they were probably gleefully trying to get us all silenced. Pooners only seem to care when they go bald and troons only seem to care when they can't cum anymore. Fuck these weak minded weirdos.
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Of course they were trying to silence opposing views, they were sick people who had the weight of "indisputable" scientific evidence on their side an a litany of "experts" who validated everything that came out of their mouths.

To wit: experts say trans is good, trans people say trans is good, expert says trans must be good because trans people say its good. An ideological human centipede if you will, but in circular form.
 
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Being trans is a permanent victim card.
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Because even if society affirms them, the universe itself, reality itself, will continue to torment them.

I was made aware of this thread because it was sponsored. Thanks for linking my thread about Alfred Kinsey, I'm currently working on a thread for John Money as well.

Anyway, the Flying Eagle Method is very similar to the Easy Peasy Method, as it was also apparently forked from Allen Carr's Easy Way to Quit Smoking. Except it's shorter, doesn't ramble on as much, and explains a few concepts better.

EDIT: here are more sources:


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It's filled with things like...
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Christopher Paul Whitney said:
This is such a weird thread. I don't want these weirdos to detransition. They're more amusing as chaotic, histrionic messes. Let them goon in discord. Let them stew and brew about politics. If they all got normal, we would lose some of the best content on this site. Aside from being hot, they can be super amusing from time to time.

If anything, there should be a thread on resources for transitioning. Teach these weird reddit addicts and shut-ins how to transition. Teach them how to in the most dangerous ways. How to homebrew hormones. How to cut their own junk off. Who was that weirdo who cut his own dick off? Dorian Thorn? He wasn't a tranny, but step-by-step instructions should be given on how to achieve this.

Trannies amuse the shit out of me. Don't change them at all.
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congratulations faggot, you made me MATI. let me tell you a fucking story. yes it is long, yes it is SNCA. just hear me out.

I had a childhood friend who I really looked up to. like most chronically online retards, I was a cringe autist as a kid, I had trouble making friends, I didn't pay attention in class, I couldn't carry a conversation about anything other than videogames. my friend was all the things I was not. I relied on him so much just to fucking survive school. and he had nothing but patience for me. and after we graduated, he married the girl he was dating, and they bought a house, and it became a hangout spot for me and a bunch of other people in our friend group, and kept us in touch. they had great holiday parties, and even though I was a cringe autist, they were always so nice to me. their house was such a happy place, and during my 20s, it was one of the things that really kept me rooted even though I did a bunch of stupid shit in my own life and was generally miserable.

well, one day my friend called me out to lunch and said he had something important to tell me. this important thing was that he was coming out as trans. I was the first person he decided to tell, even before his wife. and I wasn't sure how to react other than to support him. this was years ago, before COVID, and I hadn't yet been exposed to the specific mental illnesses of the trans community aside from the early Tumblr days. all I knew was that I wanted my friend to be happy. so I told him that I was behind him 100% and that he could talk to me about anything. but... he didn't. he disappeared almost completely. he cut himself off from the friend group and quit his job. and then COVID happened, and we all got separated from each other. so my IRL friend group just fucking exploded and I was only able to keep in touch with a couple of them online. but I was dealing with shit in my own life too, so I didn't have a lot of time to stew on it.

many years passed. I unfucked my life and got my shit together. I had received a slow trickle of communication from him so I knew he was still living in that house and still married to his wife, despite ridiculously claiming he was a lesbian now. at some point he invited me to his Discord server, and it was full of exactly the kinds of people you would expect. online freaks and genderspecials who had all come to replace his original friend group, probably the ones who fucking groomed him into it in the first place. and I kept watching the server to try and catch snippets of what was going on with him, but little information was forthcoming. so eventually, I reached out to him to reconnect. and again he invited me out, because he had something important to tell me.

this time, it was that he was getting divorced. apparently he had not been keeping his life together. his wife had been trying to cope, and managed to hold on for a long time. but eventually she just gave him an ultimatum and left. and he told me that he was moving too, and not coming back. not only that, he was moving into a fucking troon polycule with people he met online. so my friend, his house, the friend group, everything is just fucking gone. my friend is visibly depressed when he's literally never had depression problems in his life. he is in a downward spiral with a very predictable end and I don't see him coming out of it any time soon. I'm dreading that he's going to 41%. but I have no way to talk to him about it. I don't know what the fuck to do other than just being here if he ever starts asking questions. I guess I'm grateful I never fell into that trap myself, but god damn. it fucking eats at me. it keeps me up at night.

this is the problem, faggot. every fucking troon that ruins themselves is a son, a brother, a friend, a husband. every time one of these people cuts off their friends and family in favor of a bunch of online strangers, it sends ripples through the social fabric. I desperately hope my friend finds his way to detransition. I hope he finds this thread and challenges his own programming. I hope he finds his way out of the cult and reclaims his happiness. your gay ass post makes it clear that you've never experienced this yourself. and I hope you never do. faggot.
 
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honestly, i can see the overpopulation theory, troons are one of them, they're what i called the bloat or unecessary population (which is culmination of probable inherited genes that are bad) thus their sterilization (transition) are an ultimate good
 
Can the "let trannies transition" derailing niggers make their own Mass Debates thread? This is a thread for compiling detransition resources and not debating whether or not we should support detransitioners. Some are literally trooned out as kids by liberal parents (see Jazz Jennings or Desmond Is Amazing), so they never had a chance. If you don't like this thread, then just ignore it.
 
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