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Found me a bit of a likely honeypot today, if that be the best words for it...
https://longhairedlioness.deviantart.com/ - obsession with a certain cartoon, commonplace in: child pregnancy, tickling / vore fetish, incest; she's got it all.
Also, some of her friends who request it and spread the madness around, shown here:
Fishywolfy: https://fishywolfy.deviantart.com/
NickHWoddXX: https://nickhwoodxx.deviantart.com/
amen95: https://amen95.deviantart.com/
Mushroomkawaiicutie: https://mushroomkawaiicutie.deviantart.com/
Ponycartlover: https://ponycartlover.deviantart.com/
There's probably more, but that's the most prominent of the requestees she has for doing this stuff.
Sad part is, she might just be a kid, as all of her works show (same with some of these requestees, hopefully - so there's hope for them to snap out of it, alongside longhairedlioness herself.) - too bad some of the people asking her for stuff (drawings), that I'm also providing links to as well, are pretty much obviously not, which means trouble.
https://longhairedlioness.deviantart.com/ - obsession with a certain cartoon, commonplace in: child pregnancy, tickling / vore fetish, incest; she's got it all.
Also, some of her friends who request it and spread the madness around, shown here:
Fishywolfy: https://fishywolfy.deviantart.com/
NickHWoddXX: https://nickhwoodxx.deviantart.com/
amen95: https://amen95.deviantart.com/
Mushroomkawaiicutie: https://mushroomkawaiicutie.deviantart.com/
Ponycartlover: https://ponycartlover.deviantart.com/
There's probably more, but that's the most prominent of the requestees she has for doing this stuff.
Sad part is, she might just be a kid, as all of her works show (same with some of these requestees, hopefully - so there's hope for them to snap out of it, alongside longhairedlioness herself.) - too bad some of the people asking her for stuff (drawings), that I'm also providing links to as well, are pretty much obviously not, which means trouble.
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And now our story continues:
https://www.deviantart.com/journal/Incest-and-Why-It-is-NOT-Wrong-742539033
https://www.deviantart.com/journal/Incest-and-Why-It-is-NOT-Wrong-742539033
Hello, everyone! I’m the Master of Cuteness, mickeyelric11, and here I bring you the Journal of the Winning Themefrom my Voting Poll. I’m going to talk about the other three themes I offered later, but this will come first.
Before I begin, I’m pretty sure this is going to be one of the most controversial journals I have ever made for deviantART. I’m not someone afraid of controversies, and I really don’t care pissing off idiots, extremists, trolls or Social Justice Warriors, but I have to be aware when something may summon the wrong people.
I have talked how over sensitive many are over themes like Racism and similar products, I have shitted in trolls I have fought with, and I couldn’t be more insensible when I talk about the media I don’t like. However, I consider this a level above.
Even if many people are aware of this already, this time, I’m going to go deep and in detail about one of the most notorious aspects of myself: I’m not against Incest.
Haters gonna hate, not everyone will agree with me, but I’m aware of the risks, and I still find this path worth the walk. If you want to listen to me, then come with me, and you’ll be in a world of taboos:
You know? It will sound crazy, but I owe a lot to one of the trolls I had to face. No joke!
Remember my Second Journal about Dealing with a Troll? Thanks to my fight with that user in particular, I finally had the courage to say to all of you that I’m NOT against Incest. Because I had to explain the whole issue, this was a detail that must be established since the gecko.
What a surprise seeing that, instead of insults and threats, I got a positive feedback in general. I even discovered that a great friend of mine here in dA has the same posture.
Thanks to finally letting this out of my chest, I decided to start making Incest Fanarts, some in a romantic way, and others going into comedy instead.
I have to clarify that this wasn’t my first attempt of an Incest Work for Internet. Years ago, I made an AMV for You Tube shipping Hayley and Steve Smith from “American Dad”, featuring the song “Everytime We Touch”. It was a bad experience, in a nutshell. The Thumbs-Down Bar grew as crazy, and I received a shit ton of insults from everybody. So, this totally uninspired me from making another Incest Fanwork for a long while…until I made those fanarts.
However, this time, the reception was the entire contrary. I didn’t only get so many Favorites in those drawings, but also many Praise Comments from the audience. Did the times change or I just used the wrong page? Anyways, nowadays, I’m totally open with my posture. I’m not against incest, if I see Incest Material about Big Sisters and Little Brothers I smile, and I support real life Incest Couples as long as they stay away from Inbreeding and Illegal Territory: Violence, Sexual Abuse, Rape, or Child Abuse.
However, even with all this, I really never had time to say why I have this position with respect to Incest, and I find it as a pretty interesting idea to say why. So, that’s what I’m going to do today.
Since the beginning, let leave this in clear:
Here, I’m not demanding anyone to change his/her mind. I’m just going to share with you my way of thinking. If you agree with me, great; if not, OK: let be bygones to be bygones. So, here we go:
First of all, what is Incest? Wikipedia says:
“Incest is sexual activity between family members or close relatives.[1][2] This typically includes sexual activity between people in a consanguineous relationship (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity, stepfamily, those related by adoption or marriage, or members of the same clan or lineage.”
In short, it’s sex and romantic feelings between relatives, including blood and in-law family: parents and their offspring, siblings, stepbrothers and/or stepsisters, aunts/uncles and nephews/nieces, grandparents and grandchildren, people with their family for affinity, etc.
However, before continuing, I want to explain more of my posture, seeing the examples given here already have a horrible tone that I want to dissipate as quickly as possible:
When I say I’m not against incest, I only refer to OVERAGE (AKA, emancipated adults) people in a consensual relationship, as much as straight as homosexual. Therefore, no, I don’t give any support or approval with Sexual Abuse(groping, rape or anything else similar) done by a relative, or pedophilia. Again, I draw the line in Criminal Activity.
Also, no, I’m against Inbreeding too.
Let’s dissect these two points now.
About the part of not consenting crime, yes, I’m aware that Incest is actually illegal in so many countries, and the reasons behind them have many solid points.
Aside of being a very timeless taboo, the main reason to outlaw incest is, in fact, to prevent inbreeding, something I’m in opposition to.
Even if many of us aren’t scientists, it’s a pretty well known fact that mating with direct relatives is a very bad idea. The idea behind sexual reproduction is to create offspring with the best from both parents, in order to make new generations which have to be stronger and fitter to survive, creating slowly the process of evolution. So, if two living beings of the same species, but very distant and highly different in Genetic Material, have children, these new humans, animals, bugs or plants will have two big pools of Genetic Features from where to choose, and they will be able to avoid way easier any Genetic Disease or Disorder, seeing many of them are recessive and need both the mother and father to share the same material for it.
Thanks to this, we are way better human beings from millenniums ago, and we made domestication possible. That’s the reason why you get the best Pokémon by breeding.
So, when two people, animals or plants mate with direct relatives, the odds of creating offspring with some Genetic Disorders get higher; not absolute, but indeed more probable. If we have to quote examples, the two most famous cases can be the European Royalty Inbreeding and the Purebred Dogs Controversy.
First, we have the very old costume of Monarchs practicing endogamy in order to keep the Bloodline pure; something as old as the Egyptians. The consequences were unforgettable. For example, when the famous Tutankhamen mummy was examined, scientist realized that not only the pharaoh died pretty young, when he was 19, but also he was the equivalent of Circus Freak, with so many deformities and health issues, and a pointed cause for it was the Incest Practice of Egyptian Monarchs. The same with European Royalty: not only recurrent practice of this reached a point where practically all European Monarchs were related, but many of them presented severe health issues because of inbreeding.
Then, we have the Purebred Dogs Issue:
Since I was little, my mother told me that crossbred dogs were way better than purebred ones, and it was until my teen years that I realized why. It wasn’t only that crossbred dogs were way cheaper, or even free, but also the practice of Purebred Farming Process can be so terribly done if the people behind it don’t have enough knowledge and common sense.
In order to make offspring with the similar features of the breed, many puppy farms, and similar business, resort to inbreeding, which, of course not, only results in many puppies with genetic disorders, but even the whole breed can be tainted in such a unfixable way.
What’s the most embarrassing aspect of this? Many scientist and dog experts find the Dog Breed concepts as superficial and weak in arguments as Hollywood Animation Classification. They consider them something way more subjective than scientific. Yeah, pretty awkward!
So, after all this, why am I even supporting this to begin with? Easy: I don’t. I don’t support inbreeding in any way, shape or form. It’s a risky action with horrible consequences for innocent beings. What I actually support is the Love Part.
If I have learnt something with all the Left-Wing Activity on Internet, is that what two people do behind a closed door, with consent, and being both overage, it’s no one else’s business. If there’s no violence or direct harming done, then nobody has the right to break anyone’s romantic/sexual relationship apart. Why is Incest the exception?
If two adults want to spend the rest of their lives together, or just the next half hour in bed, then I don’t see why we should stop them if they are going to keep an environment without violence or risks of any kind.
Therefore, let’s analyze the next issue: Why Incest shouldn’t be practiced?
First card: Inbreeding.
Like I have said, yes, it’s a terrible idea to have offspring between two close blood relatives. However, like I said too, that’s not what I support.
Like other human beings, I find acceptable the Sexual Relationships with protection: condoms, pills, diaphragms, blood tests once in a while etc. Not only to keep pregnancies away, but also to protect the people in this from STD’s. After all, I’m pretty sure a brother and a sister, or a couple of cousins, can know what a condom is for, and even purchase one to use it.
Yes, we have the “Better Safe than Sorry” Part: What happens if they don’t do that? Sadly, this has happened.
The most infamous cases of Practiced Incest normally come along some serious degrees of inbreeding, like the hated Colt Incest Clan in Australia; the offspring of four generations of incest resulted in children with severe health conditions that it looked like a Horror Film.
However, this is the issue: not using Sex Protection is a universal thing. Straight couples have ditched condoms since they were invented, and many stupid homosexuals don’t seem necessary any kind of protection, seeing the lack of pregnancy risk. Not using a condom, or not taking other procedures against pregnancy or STD’s, it’s more a question of Intelligence than Sexuality. Yes, the pills may fail, or the condom can break, but that’s why we have more than one Contraceptive Method and STD’s Awareness Protocols, like Blood Tests and being careful with whom we have sex with.
Of course, I’m aware that, if these two relatives want to marry, or at least live together, they may want kids. What can they do? Easy! Even if we take away Adoption because of the legal issues in some places (I’m going there), Surrogate Parents is completely available: Sperm Banks or a woman that may want to rent her matrix for Artificial Insemination. Also, we can’t forget that some couples don’t want children at all.
Second Card: The Rise in Rape Risk.
I know: there are so many idiots in this planet. I’m pretty aware that when in someplace where Incest is outlawed, if it happens to have the ban lifted, many disgusting creepers would see this as a green light to sexually abuse that relative they always wanted to, even if he/she is underage, and we would have so many people in a high risk. Also, let’s sum all those stupid stereotypes of sex which apologize to sex violence, like a girl in miniskirt is a Free Sex Coupon, nude selfies are the equivalent of a bullfighter shaking his red cape in front of a mad bull, or that men always want sex 24/7.
An example related to Incest:
In France, since Napoleon I, all the Laws against Incest were abolished, and they kept that way for a very long time. Yes: Paris wasn’t kidding when it calls itself “The City of Love”. However, on January 2010, the laws regarding Incest were edited, to redefine the concept as “rape or sexual abuse on a minor by a relative or any other person having lawful or de facto authority over the victim”, while they still kept legal the Sexual Relationships between two consensual adults. I’m pretty sure this was done for a genuine, and horrible, reason.
However, two issues with this:
Guys, those Rape Risks always existed. Rapists don’t commit those crimes because they think they have permission: they do that in spite of the law. Actually, almost all criminals in the world work under that basis: what they are going to do is wrong, they know they are going to do wrong, but they are still going to do it anyway. Rape by a Relative is old as time, and the Law against Incest really couldn’t prevent them old, but have served to punish them.
Secondly, I’m not fighting for this in the slightest. It doesn’t matter if it happens in an Incest Couple, or Homosexual Couple, or even in a Straight Couple: rape is rape, and pedophilia is pedophilia. No matter the flavor, those two are crimes that mustn’t be condoned. In Incest, these wouldn’t be exception, but crimes to be punished by Justice.
Would legalize Incest may boost Rapes by Relatives? Probably, again: there are so many idiots just looking for a loophole. However, here’s the thing: legalizing Homosexual Marriage may have inspired some men and women to commit sexual abuse against people of their same sex, even to underage people; just a thought. After all: Prison Rapes is a brick joke in black comedy.
Also, like with the previous point, Rapes are caused more because of the sanity of the culprits, and not for their sexuality itself. More than forbidding incest, it would be more important to instill the Respect of Human Rights to people since youth, and condemn Sexual Crimes since the gecko, and warning people as soon as possible of them, without making them paranoid, of course.
Third Card, and one of the bluntest: It’s ILLEGAL.
Yes, before resolving any problem, we have to not only realize we have one, but to know which it is: Incest is outlawed in so many parts of the world.
According to Wikipedia, here there is a list of some nations where Incest Couples are a big “No, No”: Canada, Chile, Iran, Malaysia, Pakistan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, United Kingdom, New Zealand, etc.
Then, we have these nations where it’s legal, as long as it’s consensual and keeps people under the age of consent away, and some putting the foot down in marriage: Argentina, Brazil, Japan, Spain, France, Luxemburg, Belgium, Portugal, Australia, etc.
Then, we have countries where it’s not black or white, and Incest Laws have some parts they allow, and others they don’t, or where it varies depending on the territory of the nation, like United States or Hong Kong.
Yes, the Law, if it’s not from a Bloody Dictatorship, is there to help us, and we must follow it in order to have a better city, state, country, etc. Also, like I have said, Incest has been outlawed for good reasons and good intentions. But, we mustn’t forget: the Law is something which is always evolving.
Since the Code of Hammurabi, all societies, as much by their own as together, have developed the norms, rules and codes to tell people how they have, should or must act in a culture in order to keep anarchy and chaos away. However, during this evolution, we got rules that aged pretty badly, norms based in taboos which expired, codes that needed longer and more specific descriptions in order to kill any damaging loopholes for justice, etc. And yes, Sexuality Laws aren’t an exception.
For example, once upon a time, Marriage was basically an Economic Procedure in order to benefit the wealth of the joint families: love was in second plane. Oh, and speaking of marriages, before some serious changes and destructions of taboos, you better didn’t even dare to marry someone from a different race. Yes, it wasn’t only for Status, you literally couldn’t marry a white woman if you were a black man, or a Spanish lady if you were an indigenous in New Spain. Oh, and we can’t forget one of the most famous cases of Outlawed Relationships: Homosexuality.
Yes, my dear kids: millenniums ago (Hell, only some decades ago), you couldn’t even think about having a Romantic Relationship with someone of the same sex (let alone to marry him/her). Gay and Lesbian Couples were as prohibited as murder; I think even more. You can bet you could be put in jail if you were caught, however, even until this day, you could pay with your life for following your heart “in the wrong way”. And again, this taboo didn’t just lose its status of “Crime” a couple of years ago: it’s still outlawed in the Modern World. The discrimination, persecution and hatred may have declined, but they aren’t over yet. Thankfully, the smartest, and most benevolent, people, nowadays, defend, without any doubt, Homosexuality, Transgender People and all the members from the LGBTQ Community.
Why do we support homosexuality? Easy: because, today, we know sex goes beyond love, and love goes beyond sex, and all of them go beyond status. We have grown way more empathy towards other people and we can realize how cruel and stupid would be to separate two people who love one another just for taboos and personal opinions.
So, why is it OK to outlaw Incest nowadays in so many countries in the world?
Again, if two overage adults are in love, or want to have sex, and they happen to be blood or in-law relatives, and they aren’t committing any form of violence or infidelity, there’s no reason to act like White Knights, keep them apart, and demonizing their love for the “Greater Good”.
After all, media has over and over trying to teach us to not destroy true love for selfish reasons, or for what we consider “right”, without forgetting how much it promotes love as way more valuable than any hatred. However, in real life, we have to flip the bird to all this because…?
Fourth Card: It’s Disgusting.
Yes, maybe it’s the shallowest of the reasons, but still it is a big factor in keeping Incest as a taboo: the plain idea sounds gross. The mother fucking the little boy which she used to change his diapers; the old man having as a couple his adult granddaughter; the siblings who used to bath together now living as husband and wife; the cousins which got too close, etc.
OK, once again, let’s start with the less favorable point for me: even if I support incest, I don’t find appealing all of them. No, this time I’m not talking about punishing rapes and sexual abuse of children, but about me jumping in the Gross Bandwagon.
Do I find some Incest Relationships disgusting? Of course! Forgetting the ones from the Illegal Territory, I really find awkward the Incest between parents and their adult children. The Incest between grandparents and grandchildren looks more like a joke to me than something plausible; even if it has happened in real life. And I feel the same with Aunts and Uncles with Nieces and Nephews. When the parts are separated for many generations, things get gross, and even creepy, for me.
Also, I’m also indifferent to other kinds of incest, like the one between cousins and In-Law Relatives. I mean, if a man marries the widowed, or even divorced partner, of his brother, or sister, I really don’t see the problem: there’s no adultery, or even probability of inbreeding, there.
To be honest, the only kind of incest I find incredibly appealing for me is the one between siblings, and not all.
If you know me enough, I’m a big fan of Big Sisters and Little Brothers Relationships, and, yes, I’m a total sucker with Incest Couples featuring them. The day I find a mainstream work with a Big Sister and Little Brother Incest Couple, I’m going to squeal so high I’m going to break all the windows around. What about the other kinds of siblings? Brothers Incest, yuck; Twins, indifferent; Step Siblings, not into it either, but I find it as the most innocent case; Sisters, OK.
Here’s the irony: for how strong the Taboo against Incest is, we have actually condone a lot the Incest between Siblings, especially in media. It’s pretty popular in a lot of fictional works, like in “Game of Thrones”, it’s a very used topic in Shipping Fanarts, and even Pornography has the Sisters and Twin Sisters Incest as one of its strongest genres. So, the taboo isn’t as universal as we thought.
So, after all this paragraphs, I come up with saying I just adore a very specific kind of incest. Therefore, does this mean that I’m totally OK with outlawing the others? No. Does this mean I hate the other kinds of incest? No.
Even if I only love the Big Sister and Little Brother Incest, that doesn’t mean I exclude the others when I say “I’m NOT against Incest”. Even if the others go from “Meh!” to “Fucking Gross”, I only put the foot down with rape, abusive relationships, and sexual abuse of children. Again, if it’s about two adults starting a romance, or sexual, relationship after the Age of Consent, and the atmosphere is full of respect, solace and consent, GO AHEAD!
Even I say “Disgusting!” too, I won’t jump in the “Breaking Up” Bandwagon. For example:
Do you know what the Legal Love Relationship I find the grossest is? An old man dating a young woman; and even having sex with her. Even if it’s true love, I find it incredibly disgusting. So, am I going to stop any old man having a date with a young lady? Only if the man is an abuser or wants to rape her, if not, then they can do whatever they want: my opinion is worth a fuck.
Oh, and BTW, I really don’t find interesting Gay Couples either. I’m a total fan of Lesbians, but Gay Sex is not something I would browse.
And yes, this is my biggest issue with the intolerance against incest: It’s based a lot in the “Gross” Factor”, like with homosexuality. If some extremist Conservative, or even Left Wing, people find a Love or Sexual Relationship as an abomination, you can bet they are going to fight with nails and teeth to destroy it for “the greater good”, some saying “God doesn’t like it”, or “It’s against the law”, or “You are sick”, or the worst: “You are evil!”.
With all this, do I want you to change your mind in this mere second and accept Incest with open arms? No. So, why am I doing this then? Easy:
1. To share my opinion with you. It’s my right as a human being, and the laws of my country allow it without the risk of going to jail.
2. To invite people to think and debate.
If you don’t like something, or you are even against, it’s OK. More than your mentality, the only danger here are the actions you may do because of them. However, whenever we want to dislike, hate or condemn something, it’s way more important to have a good reason for it, and asked ourselves once in a while “Why?”.
Like the “Wayside” books used to say: “You need a reason to be sad, but you don’t need a reason to be happy”.
When you want to fight for, or against, a cause, before doing anything, the least you can do is to double check all your thoughts, postures and personal opinions to see if your actions would do more good than harm, or if they are, at least, worth the effort.
I cannot ask you all to agree with me in everything. I’m totally against it, and thinking different is the base of Democracy. Instead of ordering you to write down here “I agree”, I want to know your personal postures, as much as if you are in favor or against Incest. More than a “yes” or “no”, I would really love to read your reasons behind your answers. That’s part of the gimmick.
If you happen to support, or at least don’t care for, Incest, that’s great. If you are against, don’t worry: I won’t stop speaking to you, insult you, or block you. Feel totally free to say why.
However, here’s the main clause: with this work I’m inviting people to debate, not to fight. No matter your posture, you will have to write here within respect. I won’t tolerate insults, threats or any attacks. If you don’t have the maturity to do so, then turn 180°, and go check something else that feeds your authoritarian delusions.
I’m mickeyelric11, and see yoU!
Before I begin, I’m pretty sure this is going to be one of the most controversial journals I have ever made for deviantART. I’m not someone afraid of controversies, and I really don’t care pissing off idiots, extremists, trolls or Social Justice Warriors, but I have to be aware when something may summon the wrong people.
I have talked how over sensitive many are over themes like Racism and similar products, I have shitted in trolls I have fought with, and I couldn’t be more insensible when I talk about the media I don’t like. However, I consider this a level above.
Even if many people are aware of this already, this time, I’m going to go deep and in detail about one of the most notorious aspects of myself: I’m not against Incest.
Haters gonna hate, not everyone will agree with me, but I’m aware of the risks, and I still find this path worth the walk. If you want to listen to me, then come with me, and you’ll be in a world of taboos:
You know? It will sound crazy, but I owe a lot to one of the trolls I had to face. No joke!
Remember my Second Journal about Dealing with a Troll? Thanks to my fight with that user in particular, I finally had the courage to say to all of you that I’m NOT against Incest. Because I had to explain the whole issue, this was a detail that must be established since the gecko.
What a surprise seeing that, instead of insults and threats, I got a positive feedback in general. I even discovered that a great friend of mine here in dA has the same posture.
Thanks to finally letting this out of my chest, I decided to start making Incest Fanarts, some in a romantic way, and others going into comedy instead.
I have to clarify that this wasn’t my first attempt of an Incest Work for Internet. Years ago, I made an AMV for You Tube shipping Hayley and Steve Smith from “American Dad”, featuring the song “Everytime We Touch”. It was a bad experience, in a nutshell. The Thumbs-Down Bar grew as crazy, and I received a shit ton of insults from everybody. So, this totally uninspired me from making another Incest Fanwork for a long while…until I made those fanarts.
However, this time, the reception was the entire contrary. I didn’t only get so many Favorites in those drawings, but also many Praise Comments from the audience. Did the times change or I just used the wrong page? Anyways, nowadays, I’m totally open with my posture. I’m not against incest, if I see Incest Material about Big Sisters and Little Brothers I smile, and I support real life Incest Couples as long as they stay away from Inbreeding and Illegal Territory: Violence, Sexual Abuse, Rape, or Child Abuse.
However, even with all this, I really never had time to say why I have this position with respect to Incest, and I find it as a pretty interesting idea to say why. So, that’s what I’m going to do today.
Since the beginning, let leave this in clear:
Here, I’m not demanding anyone to change his/her mind. I’m just going to share with you my way of thinking. If you agree with me, great; if not, OK: let be bygones to be bygones. So, here we go:
First of all, what is Incest? Wikipedia says:
“Incest is sexual activity between family members or close relatives.[1][2] This typically includes sexual activity between people in a consanguineous relationship (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity, stepfamily, those related by adoption or marriage, or members of the same clan or lineage.”
In short, it’s sex and romantic feelings between relatives, including blood and in-law family: parents and their offspring, siblings, stepbrothers and/or stepsisters, aunts/uncles and nephews/nieces, grandparents and grandchildren, people with their family for affinity, etc.
However, before continuing, I want to explain more of my posture, seeing the examples given here already have a horrible tone that I want to dissipate as quickly as possible:
When I say I’m not against incest, I only refer to OVERAGE (AKA, emancipated adults) people in a consensual relationship, as much as straight as homosexual. Therefore, no, I don’t give any support or approval with Sexual Abuse(groping, rape or anything else similar) done by a relative, or pedophilia. Again, I draw the line in Criminal Activity.
Also, no, I’m against Inbreeding too.
Let’s dissect these two points now.
About the part of not consenting crime, yes, I’m aware that Incest is actually illegal in so many countries, and the reasons behind them have many solid points.
Aside of being a very timeless taboo, the main reason to outlaw incest is, in fact, to prevent inbreeding, something I’m in opposition to.
Even if many of us aren’t scientists, it’s a pretty well known fact that mating with direct relatives is a very bad idea. The idea behind sexual reproduction is to create offspring with the best from both parents, in order to make new generations which have to be stronger and fitter to survive, creating slowly the process of evolution. So, if two living beings of the same species, but very distant and highly different in Genetic Material, have children, these new humans, animals, bugs or plants will have two big pools of Genetic Features from where to choose, and they will be able to avoid way easier any Genetic Disease or Disorder, seeing many of them are recessive and need both the mother and father to share the same material for it.
Thanks to this, we are way better human beings from millenniums ago, and we made domestication possible. That’s the reason why you get the best Pokémon by breeding.
So, when two people, animals or plants mate with direct relatives, the odds of creating offspring with some Genetic Disorders get higher; not absolute, but indeed more probable. If we have to quote examples, the two most famous cases can be the European Royalty Inbreeding and the Purebred Dogs Controversy.
First, we have the very old costume of Monarchs practicing endogamy in order to keep the Bloodline pure; something as old as the Egyptians. The consequences were unforgettable. For example, when the famous Tutankhamen mummy was examined, scientist realized that not only the pharaoh died pretty young, when he was 19, but also he was the equivalent of Circus Freak, with so many deformities and health issues, and a pointed cause for it was the Incest Practice of Egyptian Monarchs. The same with European Royalty: not only recurrent practice of this reached a point where practically all European Monarchs were related, but many of them presented severe health issues because of inbreeding.
Then, we have the Purebred Dogs Issue:
Since I was little, my mother told me that crossbred dogs were way better than purebred ones, and it was until my teen years that I realized why. It wasn’t only that crossbred dogs were way cheaper, or even free, but also the practice of Purebred Farming Process can be so terribly done if the people behind it don’t have enough knowledge and common sense.
In order to make offspring with the similar features of the breed, many puppy farms, and similar business, resort to inbreeding, which, of course not, only results in many puppies with genetic disorders, but even the whole breed can be tainted in such a unfixable way.
What’s the most embarrassing aspect of this? Many scientist and dog experts find the Dog Breed concepts as superficial and weak in arguments as Hollywood Animation Classification. They consider them something way more subjective than scientific. Yeah, pretty awkward!
So, after all this, why am I even supporting this to begin with? Easy: I don’t. I don’t support inbreeding in any way, shape or form. It’s a risky action with horrible consequences for innocent beings. What I actually support is the Love Part.
If I have learnt something with all the Left-Wing Activity on Internet, is that what two people do behind a closed door, with consent, and being both overage, it’s no one else’s business. If there’s no violence or direct harming done, then nobody has the right to break anyone’s romantic/sexual relationship apart. Why is Incest the exception?
If two adults want to spend the rest of their lives together, or just the next half hour in bed, then I don’t see why we should stop them if they are going to keep an environment without violence or risks of any kind.
Therefore, let’s analyze the next issue: Why Incest shouldn’t be practiced?
First card: Inbreeding.
Like I have said, yes, it’s a terrible idea to have offspring between two close blood relatives. However, like I said too, that’s not what I support.
Like other human beings, I find acceptable the Sexual Relationships with protection: condoms, pills, diaphragms, blood tests once in a while etc. Not only to keep pregnancies away, but also to protect the people in this from STD’s. After all, I’m pretty sure a brother and a sister, or a couple of cousins, can know what a condom is for, and even purchase one to use it.
Yes, we have the “Better Safe than Sorry” Part: What happens if they don’t do that? Sadly, this has happened.
The most infamous cases of Practiced Incest normally come along some serious degrees of inbreeding, like the hated Colt Incest Clan in Australia; the offspring of four generations of incest resulted in children with severe health conditions that it looked like a Horror Film.
However, this is the issue: not using Sex Protection is a universal thing. Straight couples have ditched condoms since they were invented, and many stupid homosexuals don’t seem necessary any kind of protection, seeing the lack of pregnancy risk. Not using a condom, or not taking other procedures against pregnancy or STD’s, it’s more a question of Intelligence than Sexuality. Yes, the pills may fail, or the condom can break, but that’s why we have more than one Contraceptive Method and STD’s Awareness Protocols, like Blood Tests and being careful with whom we have sex with.
Of course, I’m aware that, if these two relatives want to marry, or at least live together, they may want kids. What can they do? Easy! Even if we take away Adoption because of the legal issues in some places (I’m going there), Surrogate Parents is completely available: Sperm Banks or a woman that may want to rent her matrix for Artificial Insemination. Also, we can’t forget that some couples don’t want children at all.
Second Card: The Rise in Rape Risk.
I know: there are so many idiots in this planet. I’m pretty aware that when in someplace where Incest is outlawed, if it happens to have the ban lifted, many disgusting creepers would see this as a green light to sexually abuse that relative they always wanted to, even if he/she is underage, and we would have so many people in a high risk. Also, let’s sum all those stupid stereotypes of sex which apologize to sex violence, like a girl in miniskirt is a Free Sex Coupon, nude selfies are the equivalent of a bullfighter shaking his red cape in front of a mad bull, or that men always want sex 24/7.
An example related to Incest:
In France, since Napoleon I, all the Laws against Incest were abolished, and they kept that way for a very long time. Yes: Paris wasn’t kidding when it calls itself “The City of Love”. However, on January 2010, the laws regarding Incest were edited, to redefine the concept as “rape or sexual abuse on a minor by a relative or any other person having lawful or de facto authority over the victim”, while they still kept legal the Sexual Relationships between two consensual adults. I’m pretty sure this was done for a genuine, and horrible, reason.
However, two issues with this:
Guys, those Rape Risks always existed. Rapists don’t commit those crimes because they think they have permission: they do that in spite of the law. Actually, almost all criminals in the world work under that basis: what they are going to do is wrong, they know they are going to do wrong, but they are still going to do it anyway. Rape by a Relative is old as time, and the Law against Incest really couldn’t prevent them old, but have served to punish them.
Secondly, I’m not fighting for this in the slightest. It doesn’t matter if it happens in an Incest Couple, or Homosexual Couple, or even in a Straight Couple: rape is rape, and pedophilia is pedophilia. No matter the flavor, those two are crimes that mustn’t be condoned. In Incest, these wouldn’t be exception, but crimes to be punished by Justice.
Would legalize Incest may boost Rapes by Relatives? Probably, again: there are so many idiots just looking for a loophole. However, here’s the thing: legalizing Homosexual Marriage may have inspired some men and women to commit sexual abuse against people of their same sex, even to underage people; just a thought. After all: Prison Rapes is a brick joke in black comedy.
Also, like with the previous point, Rapes are caused more because of the sanity of the culprits, and not for their sexuality itself. More than forbidding incest, it would be more important to instill the Respect of Human Rights to people since youth, and condemn Sexual Crimes since the gecko, and warning people as soon as possible of them, without making them paranoid, of course.
Third Card, and one of the bluntest: It’s ILLEGAL.
Yes, before resolving any problem, we have to not only realize we have one, but to know which it is: Incest is outlawed in so many parts of the world.
According to Wikipedia, here there is a list of some nations where Incest Couples are a big “No, No”: Canada, Chile, Iran, Malaysia, Pakistan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, United Kingdom, New Zealand, etc.
Then, we have these nations where it’s legal, as long as it’s consensual and keeps people under the age of consent away, and some putting the foot down in marriage: Argentina, Brazil, Japan, Spain, France, Luxemburg, Belgium, Portugal, Australia, etc.
Then, we have countries where it’s not black or white, and Incest Laws have some parts they allow, and others they don’t, or where it varies depending on the territory of the nation, like United States or Hong Kong.
Yes, the Law, if it’s not from a Bloody Dictatorship, is there to help us, and we must follow it in order to have a better city, state, country, etc. Also, like I have said, Incest has been outlawed for good reasons and good intentions. But, we mustn’t forget: the Law is something which is always evolving.
Since the Code of Hammurabi, all societies, as much by their own as together, have developed the norms, rules and codes to tell people how they have, should or must act in a culture in order to keep anarchy and chaos away. However, during this evolution, we got rules that aged pretty badly, norms based in taboos which expired, codes that needed longer and more specific descriptions in order to kill any damaging loopholes for justice, etc. And yes, Sexuality Laws aren’t an exception.
For example, once upon a time, Marriage was basically an Economic Procedure in order to benefit the wealth of the joint families: love was in second plane. Oh, and speaking of marriages, before some serious changes and destructions of taboos, you better didn’t even dare to marry someone from a different race. Yes, it wasn’t only for Status, you literally couldn’t marry a white woman if you were a black man, or a Spanish lady if you were an indigenous in New Spain. Oh, and we can’t forget one of the most famous cases of Outlawed Relationships: Homosexuality.
Yes, my dear kids: millenniums ago (Hell, only some decades ago), you couldn’t even think about having a Romantic Relationship with someone of the same sex (let alone to marry him/her). Gay and Lesbian Couples were as prohibited as murder; I think even more. You can bet you could be put in jail if you were caught, however, even until this day, you could pay with your life for following your heart “in the wrong way”. And again, this taboo didn’t just lose its status of “Crime” a couple of years ago: it’s still outlawed in the Modern World. The discrimination, persecution and hatred may have declined, but they aren’t over yet. Thankfully, the smartest, and most benevolent, people, nowadays, defend, without any doubt, Homosexuality, Transgender People and all the members from the LGBTQ Community.
Why do we support homosexuality? Easy: because, today, we know sex goes beyond love, and love goes beyond sex, and all of them go beyond status. We have grown way more empathy towards other people and we can realize how cruel and stupid would be to separate two people who love one another just for taboos and personal opinions.
So, why is it OK to outlaw Incest nowadays in so many countries in the world?
Again, if two overage adults are in love, or want to have sex, and they happen to be blood or in-law relatives, and they aren’t committing any form of violence or infidelity, there’s no reason to act like White Knights, keep them apart, and demonizing their love for the “Greater Good”.
After all, media has over and over trying to teach us to not destroy true love for selfish reasons, or for what we consider “right”, without forgetting how much it promotes love as way more valuable than any hatred. However, in real life, we have to flip the bird to all this because…?
Fourth Card: It’s Disgusting.
Yes, maybe it’s the shallowest of the reasons, but still it is a big factor in keeping Incest as a taboo: the plain idea sounds gross. The mother fucking the little boy which she used to change his diapers; the old man having as a couple his adult granddaughter; the siblings who used to bath together now living as husband and wife; the cousins which got too close, etc.
OK, once again, let’s start with the less favorable point for me: even if I support incest, I don’t find appealing all of them. No, this time I’m not talking about punishing rapes and sexual abuse of children, but about me jumping in the Gross Bandwagon.
Do I find some Incest Relationships disgusting? Of course! Forgetting the ones from the Illegal Territory, I really find awkward the Incest between parents and their adult children. The Incest between grandparents and grandchildren looks more like a joke to me than something plausible; even if it has happened in real life. And I feel the same with Aunts and Uncles with Nieces and Nephews. When the parts are separated for many generations, things get gross, and even creepy, for me.
Also, I’m also indifferent to other kinds of incest, like the one between cousins and In-Law Relatives. I mean, if a man marries the widowed, or even divorced partner, of his brother, or sister, I really don’t see the problem: there’s no adultery, or even probability of inbreeding, there.
To be honest, the only kind of incest I find incredibly appealing for me is the one between siblings, and not all.
If you know me enough, I’m a big fan of Big Sisters and Little Brothers Relationships, and, yes, I’m a total sucker with Incest Couples featuring them. The day I find a mainstream work with a Big Sister and Little Brother Incest Couple, I’m going to squeal so high I’m going to break all the windows around. What about the other kinds of siblings? Brothers Incest, yuck; Twins, indifferent; Step Siblings, not into it either, but I find it as the most innocent case; Sisters, OK.
Here’s the irony: for how strong the Taboo against Incest is, we have actually condone a lot the Incest between Siblings, especially in media. It’s pretty popular in a lot of fictional works, like in “Game of Thrones”, it’s a very used topic in Shipping Fanarts, and even Pornography has the Sisters and Twin Sisters Incest as one of its strongest genres. So, the taboo isn’t as universal as we thought.
So, after all this paragraphs, I come up with saying I just adore a very specific kind of incest. Therefore, does this mean that I’m totally OK with outlawing the others? No. Does this mean I hate the other kinds of incest? No.
Even if I only love the Big Sister and Little Brother Incest, that doesn’t mean I exclude the others when I say “I’m NOT against Incest”. Even if the others go from “Meh!” to “Fucking Gross”, I only put the foot down with rape, abusive relationships, and sexual abuse of children. Again, if it’s about two adults starting a romance, or sexual, relationship after the Age of Consent, and the atmosphere is full of respect, solace and consent, GO AHEAD!
Even I say “Disgusting!” too, I won’t jump in the “Breaking Up” Bandwagon. For example:
Do you know what the Legal Love Relationship I find the grossest is? An old man dating a young woman; and even having sex with her. Even if it’s true love, I find it incredibly disgusting. So, am I going to stop any old man having a date with a young lady? Only if the man is an abuser or wants to rape her, if not, then they can do whatever they want: my opinion is worth a fuck.
Oh, and BTW, I really don’t find interesting Gay Couples either. I’m a total fan of Lesbians, but Gay Sex is not something I would browse.
And yes, this is my biggest issue with the intolerance against incest: It’s based a lot in the “Gross” Factor”, like with homosexuality. If some extremist Conservative, or even Left Wing, people find a Love or Sexual Relationship as an abomination, you can bet they are going to fight with nails and teeth to destroy it for “the greater good”, some saying “God doesn’t like it”, or “It’s against the law”, or “You are sick”, or the worst: “You are evil!”.
With all this, do I want you to change your mind in this mere second and accept Incest with open arms? No. So, why am I doing this then? Easy:
1. To share my opinion with you. It’s my right as a human being, and the laws of my country allow it without the risk of going to jail.
2. To invite people to think and debate.
If you don’t like something, or you are even against, it’s OK. More than your mentality, the only danger here are the actions you may do because of them. However, whenever we want to dislike, hate or condemn something, it’s way more important to have a good reason for it, and asked ourselves once in a while “Why?”.
Like the “Wayside” books used to say: “You need a reason to be sad, but you don’t need a reason to be happy”.
When you want to fight for, or against, a cause, before doing anything, the least you can do is to double check all your thoughts, postures and personal opinions to see if your actions would do more good than harm, or if they are, at least, worth the effort.
I cannot ask you all to agree with me in everything. I’m totally against it, and thinking different is the base of Democracy. Instead of ordering you to write down here “I agree”, I want to know your personal postures, as much as if you are in favor or against Incest. More than a “yes” or “no”, I would really love to read your reasons behind your answers. That’s part of the gimmick.
If you happen to support, or at least don’t care for, Incest, that’s great. If you are against, don’t worry: I won’t stop speaking to you, insult you, or block you. Feel totally free to say why.
However, here’s the main clause: with this work I’m inviting people to debate, not to fight. No matter your posture, you will have to write here within respect. I won’t tolerate insults, threats or any attacks. If you don’t have the maturity to do so, then turn 180°, and go check something else that feeds your authoritarian delusions.
I’m mickeyelric11, and see yoU!
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Hello, everyone! I’m the Master of Cuteness, mickeyelric11, and here I bring you the Journal of the Winning Themefrom my Voting Poll. I’m going to talk about the other three themes I offered later, but this will come first.
Before I begin, I’m pretty sure this is going to be one of the most controversial journals I have ever made for deviantART. I’m not someone afraid of controversies, and I really don’t care pissing off idiots, extremists, trolls or Social Justice Warriors, but I have to be aware when something may summon the wrong people.
I have talked how over sensitive many are over themes like Racism and similar products, I have shitted in trolls I have fought with, and I couldn’t be more insensible when I talk about the media I don’t like. However, I consider this a level above.
Even if many people are aware of this already, this time, I’m going to go deep and in detail about one of the most notorious aspects of myself: I’m not against Incest.
Haters gonna hate, not everyone will agree with me, but I’m aware of the risks, and I still find this path worth the walk. If you want to listen to me, then come with me, and you’ll be in a world of taboos:
You know? It will sound crazy, but I owe a lot to one of the trolls I had to face. No joke!
Remember my Second Journal about Dealing with a Troll? Thanks to my fight with that user in particular, I finally had the courage to say to all of you that I’m NOT against Incest. Because I had to explain the whole issue, this was a detail that must be established since the gecko.
What a surprise seeing that, instead of insults and threats, I got a positive feedback in general. I even discovered that a great friend of mine here in dA has the same posture.
Thanks to finally letting this out of my chest, I decided to start making Incest Fanarts, some in a romantic way, and others going into comedy instead.
I have to clarify that this wasn’t my first attempt of an Incest Work for Internet. Years ago, I made an AMV for You Tube shipping Hayley and Steve Smith from “American Dad”, featuring the song “Everytime We Touch”. It was a bad experience, in a nutshell. The Thumbs-Down Bar grew as crazy, and I received a shit ton of insults from everybody. So, this totally uninspired me from making another Incest Fanwork for a long while…until I made those fanarts.
However, this time, the reception was the entire contrary. I didn’t only get so many Favorites in those drawings, but also many Praise Comments from the audience. Did the times change or I just used the wrong page? Anyways, nowadays, I’m totally open with my posture. I’m not against incest, if I see Incest Material about Big Sisters and Little Brothers I smile, and I support real life Incest Couples as long as they stay away from Inbreeding and Illegal Territory: Violence, Sexual Abuse, Rape, or Child Abuse.
However, even with all this, I really never had time to say why I have this position with respect to Incest, and I find it as a pretty interesting idea to say why. So, that’s what I’m going to do today.
Since the beginning, let leave this in clear:
Here, I’m not demanding anyone to change his/her mind. I’m just going to share with you my way of thinking. If you agree with me, great; if not, OK: let be bygones to be bygones. So, here we go:
First of all, what is Incest? Wikipedia says:
“Incest is sexual activity between family members or close relatives.[1][2] This typically includes sexual activity between people in a consanguineous relationship (blood relations), and sometimes those related by affinity, stepfamily, those related by adoption or marriage, or members of the same clan or lineage.”
In short, it’s sex and romantic feelings between relatives, including blood and in-law family: parents and their offspring, siblings, stepbrothers and/or stepsisters, aunts/uncles and nephews/nieces, grandparents and grandchildren, people with their family for affinity, etc.
However, before continuing, I want to explain more of my posture, seeing the examples given here already have a horrible tone that I want to dissipate as quickly as possible:
When I say I’m not against incest, I only refer to OVERAGE (AKA, emancipated adults) people in a consensual relationship, as much as straight as homosexual. Therefore, no, I don’t give any support or approval with Sexual Abuse(groping, rape or anything else similar) done by a relative, or pedophilia. Again, I draw the line in Criminal Activity.
Also, no, I’m against Inbreeding too.
Let’s dissect these two points now.
About the part of not consenting crime, yes, I’m aware that Incest is actually illegal in so many countries, and the reasons behind them have many solid points.
Aside of being a very timeless taboo, the main reason to outlaw incest is, in fact, to prevent inbreeding, something I’m in opposition to.
Even if many of us aren’t scientists, it’s a pretty well known fact that mating with direct relatives is a very bad idea. The idea behind sexual reproduction is to create offspring with the best from both parents, in order to make new generations which have to be stronger and fitter to survive, creating slowly the process of evolution. So, if two living beings of the same species, but very distant and highly different in Genetic Material, have children, these new humans, animals, bugs or plants will have two big pools of Genetic Features from where to choose, and they will be able to avoid way easier any Genetic Disease or Disorder, seeing many of them are recessive and need both the mother and father to share the same material for it.
Thanks to this, we are way better human beings from millenniums ago, and we made domestication possible. That’s the reason why you get the best Pokémon by breeding.
So, when two people, animals or plants mate with direct relatives, the odds of creating offspring with some Genetic Disorders get higher; not absolute, but indeed more probable. If we have to quote examples, the two most famous cases can be the European Royalty Inbreeding and the Purebred Dogs Controversy.
First, we have the very old costume of Monarchs practicing endogamy in order to keep the Bloodline pure; something as old as the Egyptians. The consequences were unforgettable. For example, when the famous Tutankhamen mummy was examined, scientist realized that not only the pharaoh died pretty young, when he was 19, but also he was the equivalent of Circus Freak, with so many deformities and health issues, and a pointed cause for it was the Incest Practice of Egyptian Monarchs. The same with European Royalty: not only recurrent practice of this reached a point where practically all European Monarchs were related, but many of them presented severe health issues because of inbreeding.
Then, we have the Purebred Dogs Issue:
Since I was little, my mother told me that crossbred dogs were way better than purebred ones, and it was until my teen years that I realized why. It wasn’t only that crossbred dogs were way cheaper, or even free, but also the practice of Purebred Farming Process can be so terribly done if the people behind it don’t have enough knowledge and common sense.
In order to make offspring with the similar features of the breed, many puppy farms, and similar business, resort to inbreeding, which, of course not, only results in many puppies with genetic disorders, but even the whole breed can be tainted in such a unfixable way.
What’s the most embarrassing aspect of this? Many scientist and dog experts find the Dog Breed concepts as superficial and weak in arguments as Hollywood Animation Classification. They consider them something way more subjective than scientific. Yeah, pretty awkward!
So, after all this, why am I even supporting this to begin with? Easy: I don’t. I don’t support inbreeding in any way, shape or form. It’s a risky action with horrible consequences for innocent beings. What I actually support is the Love Part.
If I have learnt something with all the Left-Wing Activity on Internet, is that what two people do behind a closed door, with consent, and being both overage, it’s no one else’s business. If there’s no violence or direct harming done, then nobody has the right to break anyone’s romantic/sexual relationship apart. Why is Incest the exception?
If two adults want to spend the rest of their lives together, or just the next half hour in bed, then I don’t see why we should stop them if they are going to keep an environment without violence or risks of any kind.
Therefore, let’s analyze the next issue: Why Incest shouldn’t be practiced?
First card: Inbreeding.
Like I have said, yes, it’s a terrible idea to have offspring between two close blood relatives. However, like I said too, that’s not what I support.
Like other human beings, I find acceptable the Sexual Relationships with protection: condoms, pills, diaphragms, blood tests once in a while etc. Not only to keep pregnancies away, but also to protect the people in this from STD’s. After all, I’m pretty sure a brother and a sister, or a couple of cousins, can know what a condom is for, and even purchase one to use it.
Yes, we have the “Better Safe than Sorry” Part: What happens if they don’t do that? Sadly, this has happened.
The most infamous cases of Practiced Incest normally come along some serious degrees of inbreeding, like the hated Colt Incest Clan in Australia; the offspring of four generations of incest resulted in children with severe health conditions that it looked like a Horror Film.
However, this is the issue: not using Sex Protection is a universal thing. Straight couples have ditched condoms since they were invented, and many stupid homosexuals don’t seem necessary any kind of protection, seeing the lack of pregnancy risk. Not using a condom, or not taking other procedures against pregnancy or STD’s, it’s more a question of Intelligence than Sexuality. Yes, the pills may fail, or the condom can break, but that’s why we have more than one Contraceptive Method and STD’s Awareness Protocols, like Blood Tests and being careful with whom we have sex with.
Of course, I’m aware that, if these two relatives want to marry, or at least live together, they may want kids. What can they do? Easy! Even if we take away Adoption because of the legal issues in some places (I’m going there), Surrogate Parents is completely available: Sperm Banks or a woman that may want to rent her matrix for Artificial Insemination. Also, we can’t forget that some couples don’t want children at all.
Second Card: The Rise in Rape Risk.
I know: there are so many idiots in this planet. I’m pretty aware that when in someplace where Incest is outlawed, if it happens to have the ban lifted, many disgusting creepers would see this as a green light to sexually abuse that relative they always wanted to, even if he/she is underage, and we would have so many people in a high risk. Also, let’s sum all those stupid stereotypes of sex which apologize to sex violence, like a girl in miniskirt is a Free Sex Coupon, nude selfies are the equivalent of a bullfighter shaking his red cape in front of a mad bull, or that men always want sex 24/7.
An example related to Incest:
In France, since Napoleon I, all the Laws against Incest were abolished, and they kept that way for a very long time. Yes: Paris wasn’t kidding when it calls itself “The City of Love”. However, on January 2010, the laws regarding Incest were edited, to redefine the concept as “rape or sexual abuse on a minor by a relative or any other person having lawful or de facto authority over the victim”, while they still kept legal the Sexual Relationships between two consensual adults. I’m pretty sure this was done for a genuine, and horrible, reason.
However, two issues with this:
Guys, those Rape Risks always existed. Rapists don’t commit those crimes because they think they have permission: they do that in spite of the law. Actually, almost all criminals in the world work under that basis: what they are going to do is wrong, they know they are going to do wrong, but they are still going to do it anyway. Rape by a Relative is old as time, and the Law against Incest really couldn’t prevent them old, but have served to punish them.
Secondly, I’m not fighting for this in the slightest. It doesn’t matter if it happens in an Incest Couple, or Homosexual Couple, or even in a Straight Couple: rape is rape, and pedophilia is pedophilia. No matter the flavor, those two are crimes that mustn’t be condoned. In Incest, these wouldn’t be exception, but crimes to be punished by Justice.
Would legalize Incest may boost Rapes by Relatives? Probably, again: there are so many idiots just looking for a loophole. However, here’s the thing: legalizing Homosexual Marriage may have inspired some men and women to commit sexual abuse against people of their same sex, even to underage people; just a thought. After all: Prison Rapes is a brick joke in black comedy.
Also, like with the previous point, Rapes are caused more because of the sanity of the culprits, and not for their sexuality itself. More than forbidding incest, it would be more important to instill the Respect of Human Rights to people since youth, and condemn Sexual Crimes since the gecko, and warning people as soon as possible of them, without making them paranoid, of course.
Third Card, and one of the bluntest: It’s ILLEGAL.
Yes, before resolving any problem, we have to not only realize we have one, but to know which it is: Incest is outlawed in so many parts of the world.
According to Wikipedia, here there is a list of some nations where Incest Couples are a big “No, No”: Canada, Chile, Iran, Malaysia, Pakistan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Austria, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, United Kingdom, New Zealand, etc.
Then, we have these nations where it’s legal, as long as it’s consensual and keeps people under the age of consent away, and some putting the foot down in marriage: Argentina, Brazil, Japan, Spain, France, Luxemburg, Belgium, Portugal, Australia, etc.
Then, we have countries where it’s not black or white, and Incest Laws have some parts they allow, and others they don’t, or where it varies depending on the territory of the nation, like United States or Hong Kong.
Yes, the Law, if it’s not from a Bloody Dictatorship, is there to help us, and we must follow it in order to have a better city, state, country, etc. Also, like I have said, Incest has been outlawed for good reasons and good intentions. But, we mustn’t forget: the Law is something which is always evolving.
Since the Code of Hammurabi, all societies, as much by their own as together, have developed the norms, rules and codes to tell people how they have, should or must act in a culture in order to keep anarchy and chaos away. However, during this evolution, we got rules that aged pretty badly, norms based in taboos which expired, codes that needed longer and more specific descriptions in order to kill any damaging loopholes for justice, etc. And yes, Sexuality Laws aren’t an exception.
For example, once upon a time, Marriage was basically an Economic Procedure in order to benefit the wealth of the joint families: love was in second plane. Oh, and speaking of marriages, before some serious changes and destructions of taboos, you better didn’t even dare to marry someone from a different race. Yes, it wasn’t only for Status, you literally couldn’t marry a white woman if you were a black man, or a Spanish lady if you were an indigenous in New Spain. Oh, and we can’t forget one of the most famous cases of Outlawed Relationships: Homosexuality.
Yes, my dear kids: millenniums ago (Hell, only some decades ago), you couldn’t even think about having a Romantic Relationship with someone of the same sex (let alone to marry him/her). Gay and Lesbian Couples were as prohibited as murder; I think even more. You can bet you could be put in jail if you were caught, however, even until this day, you could pay with your life for following your heart “in the wrong way”. And again, this taboo didn’t just lose its status of “Crime” a couple of years ago: it’s still outlawed in the Modern World. The discrimination, persecution and hatred may have declined, but they aren’t over yet. Thankfully, the smartest, and most benevolent, people, nowadays, defend, without any doubt, Homosexuality, Transgender People and all the members from the LGBTQ Community.
Why do we support homosexuality? Easy: because, today, we know sex goes beyond love, and love goes beyond sex, and all of them go beyond status. We have grown way more empathy towards other people and we can realize how cruel and stupid would be to separate two people who love one another just for taboos and personal opinions.
So, why is it OK to outlaw Incest nowadays in so many countries in the world?
Again, if two overage adults are in love, or want to have sex, and they happen to be blood or in-law relatives, and they aren’t committing any form of violence or infidelity, there’s no reason to act like White Knights, keep them apart, and demonizing their love for the “Greater Good”.
After all, media has over and over trying to teach us to not destroy true love for selfish reasons, or for what we consider “right”, without forgetting how much it promotes love as way more valuable than any hatred. However, in real life, we have to flip the bird to all this because…?
Fourth Card: It’s Disgusting.
Yes, maybe it’s the shallowest of the reasons, but still it is a big factor in keeping Incest as a taboo: the plain idea sounds gross. The mother fucking the little boy which she used to change his diapers; the old man having as a couple his adult granddaughter; the siblings who used to bath together now living as husband and wife; the cousins which got too close, etc.
OK, once again, let’s start with the less favorable point for me: even if I support incest, I don’t find appealing all of them. No, this time I’m not talking about punishing rapes and sexual abuse of children, but about me jumping in the Gross Bandwagon.
Do I find some Incest Relationships disgusting? Of course! Forgetting the ones from the Illegal Territory, I really find awkward the Incest between parents and their adult children. The Incest between grandparents and grandchildren looks more like a joke to me than something plausible; even if it has happened in real life. And I feel the same with Aunts and Uncles with Nieces and Nephews. When the parts are separated for many generations, things get gross, and even creepy, for me.
Also, I’m also indifferent to other kinds of incest, like the one between cousins and In-Law Relatives. I mean, if a man marries the widowed, or even divorced partner, of his brother, or sister, I really don’t see the problem: there’s no adultery, or even probability of inbreeding, there.
To be honest, the only kind of incest I find incredibly appealing for me is the one between siblings, and not all.
If you know me enough, I’m a big fan of Big Sisters and Little Brothers Relationships, and, yes, I’m a total sucker with Incest Couples featuring them. The day I find a mainstream work with a Big Sister and Little Brother Incest Couple, I’m going to squeal so high I’m going to break all the windows around. What about the other kinds of siblings? Brothers Incest, yuck; Twins, indifferent; Step Siblings, not into it either, but I find it as the most innocent case; Sisters, OK.
Here’s the irony: for how strong the Taboo against Incest is, we have actually condone a lot the Incest between Siblings, especially in media. It’s pretty popular in a lot of fictional works, like in “Game of Thrones”, it’s a very used topic in Shipping Fanarts, and even Pornography has the Sisters and Twin Sisters Incest as one of its strongest genres. So, the taboo isn’t as universal as we thought.
So, after all this paragraphs, I come up with saying I just adore a very specific kind of incest. Therefore, does this mean that I’m totally OK with outlawing the others? No. Does this mean I hate the other kinds of incest? No.
Even if I only love the Big Sister and Little Brother Incest, that doesn’t mean I exclude the others when I say “I’m NOT against Incest”. Even if the others go from “Meh!” to “Fucking Gross”, I only put the foot down with rape, abusive relationships, and sexual abuse of children. Again, if it’s about two adults starting a romance, or sexual, relationship after the Age of Consent, and the atmosphere is full of respect, solace and consent, GO AHEAD!
Even I say “Disgusting!” too, I won’t jump in the “Breaking Up” Bandwagon. For example:
Do you know what the Legal Love Relationship I find the grossest is? An old man dating a young woman; and even having sex with her. Even if it’s true love, I find it incredibly disgusting. So, am I going to stop any old man having a date with a young lady? Only if the man is an abuser or wants to rape her, if not, then they can do whatever they want: my opinion is worth a fuck.
Oh, and BTW, I really don’t find interesting Gay Couples either. I’m a total fan of Lesbians, but Gay Sex is not something I would browse.
And yes, this is my biggest issue with the intolerance against incest: It’s based a lot in the “Gross” Factor”, like with homosexuality. If some extremist Conservative, or even Left Wing, people find a Love or Sexual Relationship as an abomination, you can bet they are going to fight with nails and teeth to destroy it for “the greater good”, some saying “God doesn’t like it”, or “It’s against the law”, or “You are sick”, or the worst: “You are evil!”.
With all this, do I want you to change your mind in this mere second and accept Incest with open arms? No. So, why am I doing this then? Easy:
1. To share my opinion with you. It’s my right as a human being, and the laws of my country allow it without the risk of going to jail.
2. To invite people to think and debate.
If you don’t like something, or you are even against, it’s OK. More than your mentality, the only danger here are the actions you may do because of them. However, whenever we want to dislike, hate or condemn something, it’s way more important to have a good reason for it, and asked ourselves once in a while “Why?”.
Like the “Wayside” books used to say: “You need a reason to be sad, but you don’t need a reason to be happy”.
When you want to fight for, or against, a cause, before doing anything, the least you can do is to double check all your thoughts, postures and personal opinions to see if your actions would do more good than harm, or if they are, at least, worth the effort.
I cannot ask you all to agree with me in everything. I’m totally against it, and thinking different is the base of Democracy. Instead of ordering you to write down here “I agree”, I want to know your personal postures, as much as if you are in favor or against Incest. More than a “yes” or “no”, I would really love to read your reasons behind your answers. That’s part of the gimmick.
If you happen to support, or at least don’t care for, Incest, that’s great. If you are against, don’t worry: I won’t stop speaking to you, insult you, or block you. Feel totally free to say why.
However, here’s the main clause: with this work I’m inviting people to debate, not to fight. No matter your posture, you will have to write here within respect. I won’t tolerate insults, threats or any attacks. If you don’t have the maturity to do so, then turn 180°, and go check something else that feeds your authoritarian delusions.
All of this grandstanding to shield his ass from the FACT that he is a Loud House fantard. It's both sad and pathetic at the same time how we can't jail people for this, despite the obvious incriminating evidence on display here.
The comments defending him aren't helping; then again, look where this shite was posted.
Chrisology1337
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Here’s a page that has quite a bit of :autism:
https://same-old-davey.deviantart.com/
https://same-old-davey.deviantart.com/
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I just found my new favorite artist. This is his interpretation of the Celtic god, Cernunnos.
Everything he posts is so weird and fabulous.
He's also got some kind of fixation on animals turning to stone. Like this tanuki for example.
Bless this weird guy.
https://maximumanimal2111.deviantart.com/
Everything he posts is so weird and fabulous.
https://maximumanimal2111.deviantart.com/
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TimothyJDarden brings us again more cringe art with his MS paint masterpieces.
It gets better. He makes a Smash Brothers "Logical" roster.
It gets better. He makes a Smash Brothers "Logical" roster.
Merp slurp
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The Gothic girl, walks down the street, towards a party. Suddenly, a perverted nudist, crosses in her path. He is a nudist boy, who touches intimate areas of the teenagers, and then, he flees quickly, he don't want to get arrested. The girl, Sarah, stares at the crazy guy, she's surprised.
- Sarah: Oh ...
- Pervert boy: Hello, miss!
- Sarah: What, the ...
- Pervert boy: Nice look, ha, ha! Don't move, lady. Let me see you more closely.
The disturbed and excited boy, feels morbid when being naked in public, being observed by the girl. He masturbates his erect penis slowly, as he approaches to Sarah.
- Sarah: Oh, no. Fucking no. Stay there, crazy scumbag.
Sarah, is placed in combat pose. She has a big temperament, when she gets angry, she does not mind doing anything to get vengance.
The pervert, is possessed by lust. He are very hot. He runs to Sarah, and massages her tits pleasurably. Sarah likes the massage, but she can't let a stupid pervert sexually harass her.
The pervert wants to run away, before suffering consequences, but is very enthralled, touching the big Sarah's tits.
Sarah is now very angry.
Sarah: Grrr! I warned you, trash!
Sarah, hit the guy's neck. The boy, coughs heavily. Sarah's blow leaves him unable to breathe. While he is stunned, Sarah kicks his face. The guy, falls to the ground, disoriented.
Pervert, boy: Auch ... But what ...? No ... Please, wait. Don't knock me out, I don't want to go to the prison ...
The guy crawls on the ground, bruised, and terrified.
Sarah: I know who you are. You have been harassing girls in this area of the city. It's all over for you.
Pervert boy: Ugh ... Well, well... I do not care if you call the police... I will be released from prison in a few years. And when it comes out, I'll continue to sexually assault girls. Haha!
The dirty, and cynical boy, gets on his knees before Sarah, and rubs his face against her pussy.
Pervert boy: Brbrbrb ... Yes, yes!
Sarah grabs the pervert by his head, and hits his forehead with her knee. The guy falls on his back against the ground. He is almost passed out. Sarah, possessed by anger, jumps against the guy's head, digging the heels of his shoes, into the eyes of the disturbed guy. All Sarah's weight falls against the delicate eyes of the young man. His eyes explode under Sarah's feet.
Sarah: Take that, fucking pervert!
Pervert boy: AAAAAAAAAAAAAGH !!! NOOOOO! FUUUUCK !! I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING !! GOOOD !!! UGH !!! AAAAAAAAH !!
The boy writhes on the floor.
Sarah: * Sigh * Sorry, boy. But, this dirty world should not have useless and toxic scum like you. Enjoy your new and ''dark'' life.
Sarah goes to the party. The pervert, walks down the street, touching the walls to guide himself. He is unable to find his house. Hours later, several girls abused by him identified him on the street. He was arrested. After leaving the hospital, he was taken to court. At the trial, all the girls he abused, testified against him. The police never knew who destroyed their eyes. The police discovered that the pervert, is also a rapist, thief and murderer. He was sentenced to life imprisonment. In jail, he was raped by other prisoners, until the end of his days.
- Sarah: Oh ...
- Pervert boy: Hello, miss!
- Sarah: What, the ...
- Pervert boy: Nice look, ha, ha! Don't move, lady. Let me see you more closely.
The disturbed and excited boy, feels morbid when being naked in public, being observed by the girl. He masturbates his erect penis slowly, as he approaches to Sarah.
- Sarah: Oh, no. Fucking no. Stay there, crazy scumbag.
Sarah, is placed in combat pose. She has a big temperament, when she gets angry, she does not mind doing anything to get vengance.
The pervert, is possessed by lust. He are very hot. He runs to Sarah, and massages her tits pleasurably. Sarah likes the massage, but she can't let a stupid pervert sexually harass her.
The pervert wants to run away, before suffering consequences, but is very enthralled, touching the big Sarah's tits.
Sarah is now very angry.
Sarah: Grrr! I warned you, trash!
Sarah, hit the guy's neck. The boy, coughs heavily. Sarah's blow leaves him unable to breathe. While he is stunned, Sarah kicks his face. The guy, falls to the ground, disoriented.
Pervert, boy: Auch ... But what ...? No ... Please, wait. Don't knock me out, I don't want to go to the prison ...
The guy crawls on the ground, bruised, and terrified.
Sarah: I know who you are. You have been harassing girls in this area of the city. It's all over for you.
Pervert boy: Ugh ... Well, well... I do not care if you call the police... I will be released from prison in a few years. And when it comes out, I'll continue to sexually assault girls. Haha!
The dirty, and cynical boy, gets on his knees before Sarah, and rubs his face against her pussy.
Pervert boy: Brbrbrb ... Yes, yes!
Sarah grabs the pervert by his head, and hits his forehead with her knee. The guy falls on his back against the ground. He is almost passed out. Sarah, possessed by anger, jumps against the guy's head, digging the heels of his shoes, into the eyes of the disturbed guy. All Sarah's weight falls against the delicate eyes of the young man. His eyes explode under Sarah's feet.
Sarah: Take that, fucking pervert!
Pervert boy: AAAAAAAAAAAAAGH !!! NOOOOO! FUUUUCK !! I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING !! GOOOD !!! UGH !!! AAAAAAAAH !!
The boy writhes on the floor.
Sarah: * Sigh * Sorry, boy. But, this dirty world should not have useless and toxic scum like you. Enjoy your new and ''dark'' life.
Sarah goes to the party. The pervert, walks down the street, touching the walls to guide himself. He is unable to find his house. Hours later, several girls abused by him identified him on the street. He was arrested. After leaving the hospital, he was taken to court. At the trial, all the girls he abused, testified against him. The police never knew who destroyed their eyes. The police discovered that the pervert, is also a rapist, thief and murderer. He was sentenced to life imprisonment. In jail, he was raped by other prisoners, until the end of his days.
https://sarahsmithx.deviantart.com/gallery/
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I found a user who is prime Lolcow material on DA
Meet JaredtheFox
To TL;DR He is a roleplaying Sonic fanboy who does giantess rps, but that's not all, read this journal to see how much of a sperg Jared is.
Meet JaredtheFox
To TL;DR He is a roleplaying Sonic fanboy who does giantess rps, but that's not all, read this journal to see how much of a sperg Jared is.
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The Golden Knight is applying to join the border patrol and he still complanes about not have a girlfriend.
https://www.deviantart.com/journal/Work-Stuff-743534239
https://archive.fo/64aqf
https://www.deviantart.com/journal/Work-Stuff-743534239
https://archive.fo/64aqf
MysticMisty
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If he's still as scrawny as he was before there's no way he'll pass the physical requirements. As it were I really hope they're not interested in hiring people as openly racist as he is.
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The Golden Knight, one of my favorite lolcows, has returned? Huzzah!
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Drake & Josh......
*:autism: screeching*
It's days like this that really make me feel if only that button to nuke this fucking place that is dA were truly a real thing, I'd never stop searching until I found it.
Too bad we wouldn't have this thread anymore, however - truly a tough sacrifice to make.
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"this is the worst fan art ever"
"why becaue its on Devianart?"
"no because the art is-YES ITS BECAUSE ITS ON DEVIANTART"
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You ever hate pets so much you put it on your bucket list to travel to a foreign country just to eat them?
I don’t know if it’s a GOOD thing or a BAD thing, but yep, my drawing has NOT changed AT ALL over the past 4 years since I vanished. I didn’t spend time working on improving, and there’s a reason for it. I never saw it going anywhere to begin with, and especially with living in a figurative bunker, I felt my time and energy would be better spent on more realistic pursuits (like looking for a job that did NOT require YEARS OF PREVIOUS EMPLOYMENT IN THEIR SPECIFIC FIELD!!!). I rely heavily (almost exclusively) on the pencil and fill/bucket tools in Adobe Illustrator, which is what gives the overall look-and-feel of my drawing. And tweak it with the smooth tool (or just dragging anchors with a mouse) and you have it made. Now you know how to draw like me. lol. But seriously, maybe I should figure out how to implement some other tools, ideally in creative and/or pretty ways. But for now, even if you want to call it trash, well...I still think it looks better than when I was drawing with colored pencils. It’s less messy and resource-intensive, also. And here I was, hoping for trends to at least breathe some life into old-fashioned pen-and-paper animation/cartooning, but alas, I can only WISH to have those kinds of chops. But you want to know who ELSE gets away with this kind of hyper-simplistic digital drawing? A cute show called “Dick Figures”.
I’d say this whole thing is a “placeholder”, but let’s be honest: it’s as done as it’s going to get.
The outfit is LOOSELY modeled after what I actually wear to work (Yep, with matching pants, I’d look like a REAL Army grunt...but I’m not IN the Army; I only WISH I were). Which reminds me: next is a drawing I already did...some months ago, actually!
Speaking of ME, don’t believe the BS you might find. The REAL Jay is oddly quiet...because he keeps to himself as he’s left to his own devices. That is also someone who’s been really weathered, so much so that the optimistic spark has been lost. There’s still a pep in the step, but once every so often, the emotional injuries leave such a character with a limping heart.
As for my “Inventory”, I tried doing a system similar to “old-school RPG” design, like from the ORIGINAL XCOM, where there are so many boxes, and each item takes up more boxes the bigger it is.
You can tell I’m a writer because there’s more focus on the text than my drawings! And you might've noticed a GUN motif! That's because my heart says I'm a NATURAL fighter! But I was born and raised TOTALLY OUT OF MY ELEMENT! SO, that NURTURE turned me into something EXTREMELY AWKWARD, instead!
I’d say this whole thing is a “placeholder”, but let’s be honest: it’s as done as it’s going to get.
The outfit is LOOSELY modeled after what I actually wear to work (Yep, with matching pants, I’d look like a REAL Army grunt...but I’m not IN the Army; I only WISH I were). Which reminds me: next is a drawing I already did...some months ago, actually!
Speaking of ME, don’t believe the BS you might find. The REAL Jay is oddly quiet...because he keeps to himself as he’s left to his own devices. That is also someone who’s been really weathered, so much so that the optimistic spark has been lost. There’s still a pep in the step, but once every so often, the emotional injuries leave such a character with a limping heart.
As for my “Inventory”, I tried doing a system similar to “old-school RPG” design, like from the ORIGINAL XCOM, where there are so many boxes, and each item takes up more boxes the bigger it is.
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I kept a few tabs on MysticalLambda (that self-hating German guy I mentioned here); he really can't contain his autism when giving random insults "critique" to other people's art styles:
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/691663488/4584646721
https://archive.is/6wub9
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/650423719/4584646192
https://archive.is/SwGa9
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/666521682/4584646464
https://archive.li/gOCvs
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/714526743/4584647851
https://archive.li/kGxtS
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/712703352/4587883964
https://archive.is/L2VT4
He also hates homos and their shippings:
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/711598949/4492895471
https://archive.is/i4bNz
And any artist who talks back/blocks him results in him calling them out:
https://mysticallambda.deviantart.com/status/13480886
https://archive.is/3rhwU
Gotta post how he's going to live with his mom instead of his father andGerman Nazi girlfriend:
https://mysticallambda.deviantart.com/status/13462015
https://archive.is/zbYbF
Guy kinda amuses me with how he hates other people's art styles (for comparison, take a look at his favorites, particularly towards the bottom of what he likes to see.)
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/691663488/4584646721
https://archive.is/6wub9
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/650423719/4584646192
https://archive.is/SwGa9
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/666521682/4584646464
https://archive.li/gOCvs
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/714526743/4584647851
https://archive.li/kGxtS
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/712703352/4587883964
https://archive.is/L2VT4
He also hates homos and their shippings:
https://comments.deviantart.com/1/711598949/4492895471
https://archive.is/i4bNz
And any artist who talks back/blocks him results in him calling them out:
https://mysticallambda.deviantart.com/status/13480886
https://archive.is/3rhwU
Gotta post how he's going to live with his mom instead of his father and
https://mysticallambda.deviantart.com/status/13462015
https://archive.is/zbYbF
Guy kinda amuses me with how he hates other people's art styles (for comparison, take a look at his favorites, particularly towards the bottom of what he likes to see.)