Devon Del Vecchio / "Dev" / ShortFatOtaku / @sleepy_devo - Degenerate loser, honorary whiteknight for Lilith Lovett, constantly at odds with his own viewers for being a centrist

[Marzipan Apple]

Screencaps please, you just copy paste them mangz

Spoiler

 

[Grayback]

Dang it Marzipan Apple, you beat me to it.

Anyway, some highlights from the above twitter thread:

• Dev thinks that right-wingers literally fucking "invented" the idea that Trump was being persecuted by Biden's DOJ and by politically-aligned state prosecutors.
• Dev thinks that giving an example like "DEI seminars" is an accurate characterization of the scale of the money that the US government was wasting and the reason for the graft—and that DOGE should just be going after that kind of stuff instead.
  • No, no, there wasn't any corruption going on! The entire federal government hadn't been hollowed out and turned into a left-wing slush fund over the last 60 years! No! It was just a few well-intentioned people who got a little out of hand and ran a course on the weekends!
    
    • Literally the exact same kind of minimizing as a decade ago when leftists would defend critical race theory as "just an academic theory, just some tiny thing that's on a few college campuses."
    • God I hate this leaf faggot.
• Dev thinks that Elon Musk gets preferential government contracts now that he's involved with DOGE, and that right-wingers are apparently cheering on this corruption because they're all just cartoon villains and/or retards in his mind or something.
  • Elon's companies are the only ones that do half of the shit that he does (like reusable spaceships or starlink), so who the fuck else even could get some of these contracts?
  • Does Dev know that Elon was getting these contracts under Biden, too?
• Dev didn't follow Vee's quip about "not being part of the conversation" so badly that he might honestly be autistic.
• Dev thinks that the most likely outcome in Ukraine is that other European countries "re-arm" and intervene in Ukraine.
• Dev doesn't know that European countries do not have the manufacturing capacity to "re-arm" such that they could start fighting Russia.
  • Nor does Ukraine have enough manpower to send those arms to, were those arms ever to be made.
  • Nor do those other countries have enough manpower in their own armies in order to intervene in Ukraine themselves.
  • Nor would it be smart to do that.
  • Nor is any of this the only fucking alternative to Russia somehow magically invading the rest of Europe like we're playing the campaign of MW3. Negotiate with them, you dumb nigger. Or just wait for them to take literally every part of Ukraine that they want (since they're winning anyway, who's gonna stop them), and then act all confused when they reach a point that they don't want to go past and they just stop.
• Dev thinks that anyone who disagrees with his atrociously-uninformed takes on the Ukraine issue is "guzzling Russian semen."
• Dev is flippantly cruel, just like every other shitlib.

 

[Tanuki Mixed Nuts]

Its actually kind of amazing that a fence sitter like Dev is such a RINO in his thinking. Dude dislikes the left's shift further left, but also supports the right losing gracefully for "muh conservingtisms". The point is that the left has pushed the MAGA types to the point where they don't give a shit about their enemies and will not give them the same freedoms they would afford to neutral targets. i.e. My enemy does not get the free speech I aim for, as they do not believe in it. He wants the right to simply give in to the ever leftward drift of the Overton window, otherwise it's dangerous to democracy.

This isn't the conservative party of the 90s Dev, and it's better for it.

 

[Overpriced Gaming Chair]

European countries should've placed long-term orders for 155mm artillery shells and such back in 2022 (arguably 2014) so that European defense industry could've made the necessary investments to raise the production capacity.

Instead, those three years were spent mainly hoping that the war will magically end, or that the USA will handle it.

People shit on Neville Chamberlain (justifiably) but at least Britain was actually re-arming under his administration. Currently, Europeans countries seemingly don't have the arms industry to both A) restock their small post-cold war armies and B) support Ukraine with materiel necessary to hold the current front-line.

Imagine how much more it would take to rebuild proper European military AND give Ukraine enough stuff to drive out Russians.

 

[Grayback]

European countries should've

recognized the moral legitimacy of the ethnic Russian separatists' desire for the exact same kind of self-determination which the new government in Kiev was claiming to be taking for themselves at the exact same time. They should've negotiated an actual resolution to the issue—which was on the table with the Minsk treaties, twice, even after Ukraine fucked around with the first one.

There's a lot that should've been done differently. Most of it boils down to the failure to come up with any other answer that wasn't "just fight harder / earlier / more."

And even if Ukraine and the Western powers did win this war, then what? They had the same problem in their approach that the Entente did at the Treaty of Versailles a hundred fucking years ago—no matter how much you hate your enemy, at the end of it all, you still gotta find a way to live next to the fucking guys. And this whole time, they haven't even tried to find a way to do that.

Give me my politisperging stickers, I am ready.

 

[liam dees]

He still thinks that he's a "moderate" just because he's widely disliked by people on both the left and the right.

Lol then he's moderate in the same way Destiny is moderate.

Anyway, some highlights from the above twitter thread:

Apppreciate these summaries dude, you help cut through the fat of the conversation.

 

[Radola Gajda]

Tbh most Sargonites are pretty clueless when it comes to Russo-Ukrainian war.
Arch back in december said trust the plan two more weeks and Russian economy will collapse and there will be coup against Putin. Same thing we kept hearing for last 3 years .

Anyway UK and France are talking about sending 30 000 troops in Ukraine , I will just repeat myself there is around 1-1,5 million soldiers fighting in Ukraine right now. 30k is pretty much nothing.
War is lost for Ukraine and it was lost long time ago what we are seeing now is desperate measures delaying inevitable. For example mobilization 18-25 years old .
Both Biden

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-biden-draft-08e3bad195585b7c3d9662819cc5618f

And Trump

Asked Zelensky to do it not to win , but to maintain current line for couple more months .
Zelensky is at the moment using carrot 24 000 Dollars for year of your life in trenches, but I doubt it will enough to convince many to sign on.

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-approves-one-year-contracts-for-volunteers-aged-18-24-defense-ministry-says/

 

[Wodanaz]

saddest part is he actually believes this, he's not just grifting. perfect example of what happens when you lose your grounding.

 

[BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny]

He blames people on the right for refusing to debate with leftists now, when

• 1. who the fuck are these people on the left who are suddenly agreeing to talk to the right after a decade of refusing to?
• 2. why should people on the right agree to debate with people who have been so bad-faith in the past?

Brianna Wu, that's who!

 

[Gehenna]

saddest part is he actually believes this, he's not just grifting. perfect example of what happens when you lose your grounding.

No, the sadder part is he does not. The man is not a centrist. He is a left-wing statist. Globohomo is to him what "taxation is theft" is to a Libertarian. The core and central premise from which he makes all his statements.

If it advances a Globalist perspective he will say anything, hold any position, make any claim. He will believe none of it but only by tearing down all opposition on both sides can what he believes in exist.


It's not centrist or moderate, it's rabid hatred of anyone who has any sincerely held position on anything because the state is God for him and having any sincere position is defacto saying you know better than his God. To hold -any- thought other than that what the State says is true is to be his Satan.


Addition: The Statist position is one of extreme nihilism. It's core worldview is that all humans are utterly insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Art fades, architecture crumbles, all will be lost. Only by giving oneself to the State and seeing a single government form can man find any form of immortality. His Cog in the machine having served to create a sort of Forever Government.

All individuality is to be discarded. All personal accomplishment ignored. All that matters is that The State be allowed to advance to it's "inevitable" end goal.

 

[JesterTheMad]

I said it on the CRP thread, whether or not you agreed with/liked him, getting arrested for talking shit about a country, then dying because you were denied medical care in prison goes against all western values.

Then that nigger should have stayed in the west.
In the east if you talk shit, you get hit. The fuck do you think would happen if he was sitting in Russia and talking shit about Russia and how Ukraine is better?
He would not live long enough to be arrested, the ziggers would kill him.

I do find it funny seeing westerns cucks get a dose of reality.
Welcome to the real world, it's not nice.

 

[harmy.kook]

Then that nigger should have stayed in the west.
In the east if you talk shit, you get hit. The fuck do you think would happen if he was sitting in Russia and talking shit about Russia and how Ukraine is better?
He would not live long enough to be arrested, the ziggers would kill him.

I do find it funny seeing westerns cucks get a dose of reality.
Welcome to the real world, it's not nice.

Yeah you mean like Germany?
Or perhaps you mean like Muslims in Eastern and Western Europe?
Maybe you mean like how Kiwifarms almost got taken down from making fun of trannies?

Because it is sure doing wonders for the European population by removing the people's ability to speak because of mean words.

Especially mean words against the State

 

[Goddar]

Dev thinks that right-wingers literally fucking "invented" the idea that Trump was being persecuted by Biden's DOJ and by politically-aligned state prosecutors.

Of course he does. Dev's statism mixed with his TDS means that he pretty much sees every case against Trump as legitimate, the walls are closing in, etc. After all, in every case he (only) read the prosecution's case and they were all air-tight!

Dev thinks that the most likely outcome in Ukraine is that other European countries "re-arm" and intervene in Ukraine.

This only happens if the US leaves NATO and the European countries suddenly find they're responsible for their own defense instead of eternally sponging off the US military while complaining we spend too much on defense spending.

Dev thinks that anyone who disagrees with his atrociously-uninformed takes on the Ukraine issue is "guzzling Russian semen."

Because he lacks empathy. It's not that Dev believes that Vee may have come to a different conclusion due to being geographically closer to the conflict, it's only because he's not reading the non-biased Western MSM slop that Dev consumes and MUST be only consuming Russian propaganda. One would think that a man who has repeated said he's concerned with the Truth and Facts and chastises his friends for not engaging in debate would himself be willing to at least have a conversation with people to see the process by which they've drawn their conclusions.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I think it all stems from this: ( twitter )


I started making a giant text wall response of my own to try to respond to what he said—but after a while, it wears on you.

These are the main takeways from / responses to Dev's post:

• He still thinks that he's a "moderate" just because he's widely disliked by people on both the left and the right.
• His underlying inclination seems to be to defer to and practically worship whatever the law says, just because it's law.
  • Even though I'm sure that he wouldn't support slavery just because it was legal, or oppose miscegenation just because it was illegal.
• He has a conception of the American right wing in his head which is basically just "people who worship the Constitution" in the same way that he slavishly defers to the law.
  
  
• He doesn't get that the right wing supports the ideas behind the Constitution—rather than seeing the Constitution as some infallible thing that could never get abused, or even that it could be implemented improperly.
• He doesn't get that the Constitution exists to recognize our preexisting rights—and that it doesn't grant us those rights like a permission slip.
• He doesn't get that the right wing sees the Constitution as a means to an end (preserving our rights and ensuring our prosperity), and that the right would drop the Constitution if stopped accomplishing (or even impeded) those ends.
• He's disappointed that the American right isn't living up to his caricature of them—which does seem genuine (if ill-conceived), but it also reminds me a bit of when leftists try to pass off illegal immigration with a random bible quote about doing charity or some shit.
  
  
• He just straight-up believes the accounts of random fired federal workers who told Rolling Stone that they're actually totally important and crucial to the functioning of government, and definitely not DEI leeches who just rebranded their job title sometime between November 5 and January 20.
• He doesn't get that Congress can pass whatever budget they want to, and that it is then entirely up to the Executive how—or even if—he wants to implement it.
• I'm not sure whether he understands that the entire rest of the Executive "branch" is solely the product of the Executive delegating his authority, and that every Executive Agency exists in order to implement his will.
• He wandered into the minefield of "Independent Agencies" (like USAID), which I would argue are a legal fiction that shouldn't be able to exist outside of the Executive branch.
• His main gripe is that Trump isn't just rubber-stamping whatever already exists as implemented by past Congresses.
• This apparently makes the whole right wing no longer the "PARTY OF THE CONSTITUTION" and therefore they're all morally bankrupt in his eyes.
  
  
• He thinks that he's the last fair and honest guy left out there, just calling balls and strikes while everyone else on the left and right is just as bad as one another now.
• He thinks that the right has become the exact same as the left, with their own "echo chambers" and "safe spaces," purging internal dissent, not being able to defend their own arguments—all just more shit proving that he does not listen to anything that a single right-winger has to say.
  • Like, just go watch one (1) Auron MacIntyre video if you need an easy entry point. The right wing is not hiding what they believe. They're constantly debating and reassessing ideas. This is nothing like the progressive orthodoxy that would get you fired for misgendering a coworker. These two groups are just not the fucking same. Dev is insane here.
• He blames people on the right for refusing to debate with leftists now, when
  • 1. who the fuck are these people on the left who are suddenly agreeing to talk to the right after a decade of refusing to?
  • 2. why should people on the right agree to debate with people who have been so bad-faith in the past?
• He thinks that Sargon specifically owes his political opponents more of his time, and he's annoyed that Sargon doesn't want to listen to them or that he won't debate them.
  • The dude is running his own business and has four young children. No shit he's not gonna make time for every random commie on YouTube like it's still 2013.
• He still has as little self-awareness as he always did—so he interprets other people like Sargon examining and extrapolating on the things that he would say as them "strawmanning" him.
  • Apparently, this is why Dev has split from Sargon. I didn't even notice it.

Reading this then reading your summary, Dev does not understand what is happening currently. Even in the video he responded to where Sargon layed it out. The Right is demolishing everything the Left has built for the last 100 years. This is to preserve the SPIRIT of the constitution. This didn't have to happen if the left was willing to talk things out in the past. We are past the point of no return. The reversal of 100 years of beuaracicy is happening in mere weeks. It will take 100 years to rebuild. All because of people like Dev that worrship the state as God and don't see their political opponents as people. You asked for this. You sowed the winds, now you are reaping the whirlwind.

 

[Dude Snakes]

No, the sadder part is he does not. The man is not a centrist. He is a left-wing statist. Globohomo is to him what "taxation is theft" is to a Libertarian. The core and central premise from which he makes all his statements.

If it advances a Globalist perspective he will say anything, hold any position, make any claim. He will believe none of it but only by tearing down all opposition on both sides can what he believes in exist.


It's not centrist or moderate, it's rabid hatred of anyone who has any sincerely held position on anything because the state is God for him and having any sincere position is defacto saying you know better than his God. To hold -any- thought other than that what the State says is true is to be his Satan.


Addition: The Statist position is one of extreme nihilism. It's core worldview is that all humans are utterly insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Art fades, architecture crumbles, all will be lost. Only by giving oneself to the State and seeing a single government form can man find any form of immortality. His Cog in the machine having served to create a sort of Forever Government.

All individuality is to be discarded. All personal accomplishment ignored. All that matters is that The State be allowed to advance to it's "inevitable" end goal.

Depressing to read but accurate.

 

[JesterTheMad]

Yeah you mean like Germany?
Or perhaps you mean like Muslims in Eastern and Western Europe?
Maybe you mean like how Kiwifarms almost got taken down from making fun of trannies?

Because it is sure doing wonders for the European population by removing the people's ability to speak because of mean words.

Especially mean words against the State

Nigger, I'm just explaining how things ARE. most of the world doesn't give 2 fucks about the "people's ability to speak".
You don't get to go into a waring country, talk shit of it and say the enemy is better and not get hit. WE may not like this, but that how it is.

CRP was a retard for doing so, and if you don't like it go to Best Korean and ask to see "Needle Dick Kim, the Great Cum" and we'll see if we get to talk ever again.

Like it or not, Freedom of speech have always been a privilege that most did not have.

 

[AltisticRight]

You asked for this. You sowed the winds, now you are reaping the whirlwind.

The left could have stopped at basic bitch shit like "sure equal rights and all" but they had to push and push and push. Now even moderates seem like right wingers for suggesting that kids shouldn't be on puberty blockers.

 

[harmy.kook]

Nigger, I'm just explaining how things ARE

But yet

I do find it funny seeing westerns cucks get a dose of reality.
Welcome to the real world, it's not nice.

You seem to delight in it.

Almost like most modern buckbroken EuroCucks and Lefties who worship the boot long as the West suffers

Especially telling since Aydin talked about how Dev used CRP's death to talk shit as well.

Also, by extension can't this justify arresting those from the home country talking trash about the government of said country?

Like in Russia for example?

Oh wait... that's already happening across the entirety of Europe already

 

[WelperHelper99]

The left could have stopped at basic bitch shit like "sure equal rights and all" but they had to push and push and push. Now even moderates seem like right wingers for suggesting that kids shouldn't be on puberty blockers.

They could have stopped a long time ago. That would have meant respecting their opponents. They never saw the Republicans as human, much less respected them. Now it's too late. Every system and intricate machine that FDR and those before and after him built have to go. You cannot ask for mercy after being without it for so long. Dev with his midwit brain cannot comprehend that the rules have changed. The gloves are off. If the Left wants a seat at the table, they will back off all their radical positions like troons and open borders, and they will let this happen until it is done.

 

[Wodanaz]

No, the sadder part is he does not. The man is not a centrist.

I know that, but I still think that he believes he is. He has no god, no children, no perspective. His view is warped, but he actually believes what he says. There are many other more profitable/popular positions he could be taking, yet he insists on this one because his brain is broken. Maybe it's just my distaste for this particular person clouding my judgement, and he doesn't believe it really. I'm willing to accept that.