Dexter Franchise - Tonight's the night

[Starscream's Loyalty]

Me and my dad crack up and make midget jokes whenever the new Dexter trailer shows Peter Dinklege. I can't take him seriously as an intimidating character. Just imagine him running at you with a knife; *Mr. Krabs walking noise*

 

[frozen_runner]

I finished episode 3.

• I called it about the Dark Passenger! They misdirected us into thinking it was about race or immigration. Kind of clever.
• It was really stupid that Dexter was angry that the Dark Passenger was given that serial killer name. I know it was supposed to be funny, but it was dumb.
• Is the Metro the only luxury hotel in the world that can't track which keycards are used on which doors and when? Wouldn't that info raise questions since Harrison used his card to get into the rapist's room after he and the lady went in? Why didn't the autistic police officer want that info? Don't tell me she wouldn't have thought of it.
• Why didn't the police ask Elsa specifically if she had prepared a room for Harrison to stay in the night of the murder? Wouldn't they want to check that room, even if it had been cleaned? If they can check keycard use, wouldn't they check that room to see if someone had gone in and out (since it was supposed to be vacant)?
• On that note, aren't they going to have Dexter on camera walking around the hotel using some employee's keycard? Oops.
• Are they really going to have fucking Peter Dinklage playing a dwarf meta-serial killer who collects serial killer trophies? Maybe he also eventually has those serial killers killed to serve as even bigger "trophies?" (It rhymes like pottery.)
• Why in the world wouldn't Angel at least tell Masuka and Quinn that Dexter is actually alive? Wouldn't they care? Wouldn't they want to help him catch the true Bay Harbor Butcher?
• How did Dexter know he could find an abandoned place in the city with a fucking furnace he could get hot enough to burn a body without anyone walking in on him? I guess this is his new MO?
• Dexter better take and use that privacy hoodie...

@frozen_runner
I think they decided they didn't want the new series to feel like a second season of New Blood and they don't want to reference too much of the original series, but those decisions aren't handled as well as they could be. For example, Dexter mentioning he went to rehab for being a heroine addict could help as a excuse when people wonder why he's sus, like someone suggested he could have said he was using ketamine to treat his heroine addiction to Angela & Batista.

I understand wanting to do something different, but they really aren't thinking hard enough about a lot of these plot points.

The heroine addiction thing is a brilliant idea. "I tried to kill myself in Miami, but I failed. I tried to run away from everything, but it followed me. Heroin helped me for a while, I thought... but finally, I crawled out of that hole. But I'm no angel. I still use ketamine to relax. So sue me." That explains the missing time, the needles, the ketamine, and how generally weird he is. I am (almost) surprised the writers didn't think of it.

Also I found the clip you're looking for from the original series sort of.

Spoiler: clip

Thank you! So she didn't "personally confide" in Angel, she did it in front of the entire station... and in front of Dexter. Clunky-ass exposition. Did the writers go back and watch this scene too, or did they just go by memory?

 

[>IMPLYING]

I called it about the Dark Passenger! They misdirected us into thinking it was about race or immigration. Kind of clever.

I'm glad they did this at a bare minimum.
Also, if I was in Harrison's situation: why not admit to the murder at that point? The police pretty much gave you the all-clear for the killing being justified in the situation presented, and the victim who you saved would corroborate your story even if she was out for most of it; every measure taken after the killing is justifiable under the premise you were afraid of consequences but I can't imagine many juries being unsympathetic to the killing of a raping-yuppie. A ton of people would regard him as a hero even.

 

[frozen_runner]

Also, if I was in Harrison's situation: why not admit to the murder at that point? The police pretty much gave you the all-clear for the killing being justified in the situation presented, and the victim who you saved would corroborate your story even if she was out for most of it; every measure taken after the killing is justifiable under the premise you were afraid of consequences but I can't imagine many juries being unsympathetic to the killing of a raping-yuppie. A ton of people would regard him as a hero even.

Occasionally, the show is pretty realistic: the cops were just saying whatever they had to say to get Harrison to admit to the murder. They would have switched gears immediately and locked his ass in prison if he had been stupid enough to confess.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Occasionally, the show is pretty realistic: the cops were just saying whatever they had to say to get Harrison to admit to the murder. They would have switched gears immediately and locked his ass in prison if he had been stupid enough to confess.

I have seen that tactic before, yeah, but artistic license and all that so I was kind've taking those two at their word since I feels like the show is trying to make them likable. IRL their assurances would only be good enough to wipe your ass with.
I'm semi-predicting that the autist detective and her partner will make it to the end and they're going to try and make a spin-off with those two. Another soft prediction with the Dinklage cabal and the sudden concentration of serial killers I'm imagining they're going to jump the shark and John Wick the setting.

 

[Bâtard Consanguine]

Occasionally, the show is pretty realistic: the cops were just saying whatever they had to say to get Harrison to admit to the murder. They would have switched gears immediately and locked his ass in prison if he had been stupid enough to confess.

Wasn't that a significant factor in some high profile self defense case recently, where the cops were all chummy with the dude to get him to admit to things without a lawyer present which were used by the prosecution to try and incriminate him? Was it Daniel Penny?

 

[Paradox Mystic]

I think they want to keep Harrison out of anything that would isolate him so he can represent the young Chaotic Good vibe they want for some of the show which contrasts with Dexter's more edgy personality. That's why they don't want Harris stuck somewhere it would be difficult to pump out a 1/3rd or 50 percent of the season.

 

[Bâtard Consanguine]

So is this show recycling the "Dexter falls in love with another female psychopath" storyline again, or do you suppose whats her face was trying to bait Dexter into walking in on her in the shower because her whole 'killing sexual predators' MO is a lie and she's just a run of the mill black widow?

 

[shadyreapers_]

"Hello, Dexter Morgan"
Killer, The Trinity

 

[Screamer_2]

The suggestion is that Lady Vengeance is kind of like Dexter. Only goes after bad people, but that makes no sense why she'd be pals with all the other killers. It'll be interesting to see if that goes somewhere or not.

Did they ever explain what rule the guy with Neegan's Lucille bat broke? Or what the rules actually are? I'm not sure if it was mentioned in a previous episode.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Lady Vengeance kills sexual predators.
She collects identifying marks of said predators.
Yuppie was a sexual predator.
Yuppie's watch (identifying mark) was missing from his person. Harrison has it.
Lady Vengeance will be pinned with Harrison's murder, somehow.

 

[Bâtard Consanguine]

Lady Vengeance kills sexual predators.
She collects identifying marks of said predators.
Yuppie was a sexual predator.
Yuppie's watch (identifying mark) was missing from his person. Harrison has it.
Lady Vengeance will be pinned with Harrison's murder, somehow.

Only if she's somehow caught red handed doing something else. She was staying in a B&B for the serial killer meeting, meaning New York isn't her usual haunt, so the cops have no reason to suspect she's involved now.

 

[>IMPLYING]

So is this show recycling the "Dexter falls in love with another female psychopath" storyline again, or do you suppose whats her face was trying to bait Dexter into walking in on her in the shower because her whole 'killing sexual predators' MO is a lie and she's just a run of the mill black widow?

Sort of pertains to my post but I think the shower thing was bait on her part. Part of me wonders if she was also trying to bait Barney into killing her by getting a tattoo. She said she had been attending those meetings for years and she's familiar with his MO, so getting some "new ink" seems like an odd thing to do around a guy who specifically can't help but feel compelled to kill people with tattoos. If she's in fact more arbitrary than she appears, then that's a way for the writers to justify Dexter killing them all and planting the watch Harrison's got in her apartment thus diverting suspicion away from his son. It also diverts attention away from the Bay Harbour Butcher but I think Bautista will remain adamant on it and will end up dying in the end as a consequence and that's what finally puts Dexter away, maybe, to protect Harrison. Though I think Bautista red-flagged a possible death in that bar scene when he was in Miami.

Only if she's somehow caught red handed doing something else. She was staying in a B&B for the serial killer meeting, meaning New York isn't her usual haunt, so the cops have no reason to suspect she's involved now.

If you recall she'll be staying in New York for a while since Tyrion has a bunch of activities planned so she may kill in that time. If Dexter gets the idea to frame her he may use himself as bait to put her in a situation where she's caught red-handed, maybe dying in the process since it'll exonerate his son and even himself since it'd probably remove any idea of him being the Butcher from Bautista's mind. The whole reveal of her collection + her MO was a major red-herring to me about a possible purpose she'll fulfil in the plot, otherwise after this episode beyond some intel on the other killers she'll just be waiting her turn to die or to serve as a mirror-copy of his last love-interest where they both kill people together who deserve it.

Another idea I just had is that she may get blamed for the deaths of the other gathered serial killers since they all fit into her MO, potentially.

 

[Sithis]

I'm enjoying the new take on it so far but I'm not getting committed to it, I'll just watch it as it comes out and don't really feel like getting hyped for it. They had one of the best shows on TV with the original series and they completely fucking butchered the last several seasons with nonsensical plotlines just trying to stretch it. New Blood came out during a retarded time in the industry that still continues where the running message was "kill off the old, in with the new" so they ended it the way they did, then realized doing that killed anyone's interest in the show because people watch the show for Michael C. Hall as Dexter, not for the new kid. I don't trust them not to bait and switch again at this point.