Diablo 4 general - All shit will hit the fan this June

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If Lilith is going to go the Kerrigan route, then which poor guy will get Tychus Findlay'd for it to happen?

She's already past that point - if they're going to actively side with her, there's no need to have a Tychus to sacrifice. For shits and giggles, I guess Lorath is the only male left that can still be humiliated though, unless they resurrected Inarius again as a big fuck you.
 
They could've done plenty more than bring her back in the second expansion; it would be like bringing Diablo back again in 3 when the Necromancer was released, but her return doesn't give me much hope for the writing on this. I see Lilith in the same vein as Kerrigan, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they decide to make her destroy Mephisto for good and make her benevolent-god-being-who-can-do-no-wrong.
they have been pretty fucking overtly stated on how they depict Lilith in terms of morality and where she stands, she's evil, but a lesser evil than the rest of the Burning Hells. MORE likely LIlith will be a temporarily ally, as she is the only one who could kill one of the Prime evils, namely her father, for "good" by absorbing his essence.
Also Diablo 4 is about Lilith and Mephisto almost entirely, it makes perfect sense should come back in the 3rd act of the story, not to mention, she's a fucking demon that can never die, and is also "in our blood", giving an out how she will come back.

Diablo 4 has many flaws, but the narrative generally isn't it, it presents the case that Sanctuary is living on borrowed time, which was always true, but it appears time is rapidly approaching zero hour, I mean for fuck sakes, the end of D3 had 80% of humanity get snuffed out by the Black Soulstone, again and again they state that all the temporary victories over the Burning hells come at permanent, fixed costs to Sanctuary, with the Angels completely apathetic.
This is doubly shown to the player in the Bloodied Wolf boss fight at the end of the base expac, Lion Akarat gives his all, likely hundreds of years of faith and light, so we could.. beat an Avatar of a Prime evil, a completely inconsequential victory, its merely survival.
 
Im placing bets, Lorath and old man Tyrael will be in the upcoming expac, half of the story will involve us opposing Meph in Akarat and he will hold the "nobody will believe you im Nip-Jesus (Akarat was always half Teji') "and we will be hounded by well meaning but led astray followers

Then Lilith will come back we have a dubious team up and Meph is exposed and does a big "NOOOOO" and she sucks up his essence.

Side lesser bet, Super Saiyan Demon Goddess Lilith is final secret boss.
 
So how do you actually hit max level if you skip the campaign? I'm at lv 42, running around doing invasions and shitting on Duriel on repeat, doing a few dungeons. I don't know what is xp-wise most worthwhile? I recall using a gem in D3 that gave you a fuckton of extra XP while I haven't even looked at gems in D4 so far..
 
So how do you actually hit max level if you skip the campaign? I'm at lv 42, running around doing invasions and shitting on Duriel on repeat, doing a few dungeons. I don't know what is xp-wise most worthwhile? I recall using a gem in D3 that gave you a fuckton of extra XP while I haven't even looked at gems in D4 so far..
Keep doing Duriel until you’re around level 47 and then start clearing out the strongholds. They give a lot of exp and there are enough that should push you into 60 before you clear them all.
 
I have just realized Diablo 4 is out. Call me a slowpoke, but this game made absolutely no waves, compared to the massive hype surrounding Diablo 3 or even the angry reception of Immortal. It just slid under the radar, barely mentioned, barely discussed, zero impact on pop culture or gaming, straight into the bargain bin.
 
I have just realized Diablo 4 is out. Call me a slowpoke, but this game made absolutely no waves, compared to the massive hype surrounding Diablo 3 or even the angry reception of Immortal. It just slid under the radar, barely mentioned, barely discussed, zero impact on pop culture or gaming, straight into the bargain bin.
It came out 2 and 1/2 years ago and released an expansion pack (with a second on the way).

It made a few waves (there was a gigantic advertising campaign and tons of #sponsoredcontent at launch) but generally speaking Diablo 3 benefitted from the hype of Diablo 2 : LOD, where as Diablo 4 had to follow Diablo 3.

It doesn't seem to have much lasting power though; it might be safe to say that Diablo is more or less dead and that there will be negative hype for Diablo 5 unless something massive changes.
 
So how shit is this game?

If you're addicted to levelling and enjoy grinding to chase middling cosmetics and titles (the best cosmetics are obviously put behind a cash shop with excessive greed typical of Blizzard), only to do it all again Rust-style in a few months, you might enjoy it. It's less cartoony than D3 so the atmosphere is closer to the original two.

Story-wise, it's complete garbage. As I said previously, it's a weirdly misandrist game that goes out of its way to degrade and humiliate the male cast while propping up all the ladies, and everyone talks like a millennial. If you care about the "lore" just stop at 3.
 
If you're addicted to levelling and enjoy grinding to chase middling cosmetics and titles (the best cosmetics are obviously put behind a cash shop with excessive greed typical of Blizzard), only to do it all again Rust-style in a few months, you might enjoy it. It's less cartoony than D3 so the atmosphere is closer to the original two.

Story-wise, it's complete garbage. As I said previously, it's a weirdly misandrist game that goes out of its way to degrade and humiliate the male cast while propping up all the ladies, and everyone talks like a millennial. If you care about the "lore" just stop at 3.
I mean the only character who comes out unscathed is Lorath, who gets back on the saddle for saving humanity.
If you mean Inarius, he has always, for 20 fucking years since the books, been a fucking bitch that EVERYONE has put the boots to, repeatedly.
 
I see Lilith in the same vein as Kerrigan, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they decide to make her destroy Mephisto for good and make her benevolent-god-being-who-can-do-no-wrong.
I don't think you can permanently destroy the Primes. You can either kill their mortal shell and they will slowly reassemble themselves in hell (Mephisto in D4), or you can trap them in soulstones from which they will slowly leak and corrupt people around them (Mephisto in D2).
 
I mean the only character who comes out unscathed is Lorath, who gets back on the saddle for saving humanity.
If you mean Inarius, he has always, for 20 fucking years since the books, been a fucking bitch that EVERYONE has put the boots to, repeatedly.

I actually mean it's a recurring thing beyond the main characters. Special mention to Prava though, because we just couldn't have the nigger priestess be corrupt and authoritarian. No, let's just say it's all a man's fault (Urivar) and absolve her of all wrongdoing.

It's comical enough how often a quest involving a male NPC will result in the male dying, being humiliated, being the centre of all blame, or all at once; often enough that it's my default prediction as to their outcomes. It wasn't like that for the other three Diablos, and that along with things such as the witch and Neyrelle surviving their possessions tells me that the Diablo universe is falling to shit in much the same way as both Warcraft and Starcraft have done so before it.

If Lilith ends up permabanning Mephisto and somehow walks out of this charade on neutral terms with the player, they might as well start calling her Queen Bitch since it's the same thing in all but name.

I don't think you can permanently destroy the Primes. You can either kill their mortal shell and they will slowly reassemble themselves in hell (Mephisto in D4), or you can trap them in soulstones from which they will slowly leak and corrupt people around them (Mephisto in D2).

I didn't think you could survive getting your body wrecked as a Lesser Evil explodes out of it either, yet it happened. I would very much prefer for them not to bend the constants of Diablo, but I wouldn't put it past these hacks to mess it up. It was nice to have things like the D1 heroes all becoming villains in the next game, like you could rob evil of its prize yet you would inexorably lose to it.
 
I actually mean it's a recurring thing beyond the main characters. Special mention to Prava though, because we just couldn't have the nigger priestess be corrupt and authoritarian. No, let's just say it's all a man's fault (Urivar) and absolve her of all wrongdoing.

It's comical enough how often a quest involving a male NPC will result in the male dying, being humiliated, being the centre of all blame, or all at once; often enough that it's my default prediction as to their outcomes. It wasn't like that for the other three Diablos, and that along with things such as the witch and Neyrelle surviving their possessions tells me that the Diablo universe is falling to shit in much the same way as both Warcraft and Starcraft have done so before it.

If Lilith ends up permabanning Mephisto and somehow walks out of this charade on neutral terms with the player, they might as well start calling her Queen Bitch since it's the same thing in all but name.
I think you came away from that whole thing lopsided.

Prava is the Corrupt Authoritarian nutter who is a true believer, but is willing to bend the rules to get things done, hence working with you, Urivar,though more extreme, is completely correct, everything is fucked and people like the PC are signs that demonic influence is at hand to win the day.. you walking away from that encounter alive and him dead, directly lead to fucking Akkarat being taken over, and likely hundreds of thousands of people being killed and tricked by the Nip Jesus coming back.

and on males, Lorath and Akkrat are not humilated at all, Lorath and Donar both are very heroic people, and Akkarat fights with you till the bitter end against the Bloodied Wolf.

And the fuck it was, all the Diablos involve men (and women) being corrupted and their legacies ruined, starting with the Bone King himself in Diablo 1, and also your younger brother the Prince, being taken over, and Diablo 2 everyone except Cain got whacked at Tristriam, "Aiden" gets consumed by Diablo, and alot more, the series is all about Demons fucking up humans good natures and ruining their long standing legacies.

and Neyrelle did not get fully posessed, and Mephisto didn't want to, he needed her to lead him to his target, Akkarat, he was basically more "in the stone" than in her, the whole thing was a ruse cruise, he could have taken over her and incarnated but whats the point, she's as shit vessel.
 
Prava is the Corrupt Authoritarian nutter who is a true believer, but is willing to bend the rules to get things done, hence working with you, Urivar,though more extreme, is completely correct, everything is fucked and people like the PC are signs that demonic influence is at hand to win the day.. you walking away from that encounter alive and him dead, directly lead to fucking Akkarat being taken over, and likely hundreds of thousands of people being killed and tricked by the Nip Jesus coming back.

Until the in-game universe throws Prava into the stocks and she falls from her lofty position in the Cathedral, I doubt that is how the writers want you to interpret it. I was happier with the idea that Prava ordered Lorath's death via Iosef, yet they pulled out Urivar and washed her hands clean of it. Could this be a deception and she was just pretending? Maybe, but we'll see if or how they address this in the next expansion.

And the fuck it was, all the Diablos involve men (and women) being corrupted and their legacies ruined, starting with the Bone King himself in Diablo 1, and also your younger brother the Prince, being taken over, and Diablo 2 everyone except Cain got whacked at Tristriam, "Aiden" gets consumed by Diablo, and alot more, the series is all about Demons fucking up humans good natures and ruining their long standing legacies.

That's a disingenuous take, seeing as the part you're responding to is how IV continuously gives male characters/NPCs the Luke Skywalker treatment while the reverse is incredibly rare. About the only time I can recall even something like that remotely happening was in D3 with the dandy merc; there is a snide attitude here that the others don't carry. I wouldn't even have said anything about it if it felt like there was some balanced approach to it. Dark Souls felt balanced in the way it treated every person in that miserable world like shit, here it feels slanted.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for the Diablo universe unilaterally ruining and corrupting everything it touches in eternal entropy while the Prime Evils laugh at your fruitless labours, but this doesn't feel like the direction they're headed, and I doubt Sanctuary will be destroyed. It would be excellent if they did that - having D4 cap off with marking the annihilation of Sanctuary would be a bold move for Blizzard to take, even though I'm 99% convinced they'll never do that.
 
That's a disingenuous take, seeing as the part you're responding to is how IV continuously gives male characters/NPCs the Luke Skywalker treatment while the reverse is incredibly rare. About the only time I can recall even something like that remotely happening was in D3 with the dandy merc; there is a snide attitude here that the others don't carry. I wouldn't even have said anything about it if it felt like there was some balanced approach to it. Dark Souls felt balanced in the way it treated every person in that miserable world like shit, here it feels slanted.
Well, lets go over them to see if your right, of the main characters.

Lorath starts the game as a pessimistic asshole, but ultimately still committed to humanity, a sort of "to the bitter end" old fart, who knows Sanctuary is fucked, but is going to go through the fight anyways, he proceeds to regain his faith in the fight completely by the end of the campaign.

Donan Starts the campaign as a fat old loser who ran from the fight, watches his Son get piloted by a Demon, and then re-commits to the fight and dies brave and true to try and do what he can.

Vigo is a somewhat minor male character who literally chooses to pilot the iron maiden Mech to save you and Neyrelle and then dies a badass

Elias is the main human villain and he's pretty adamant about his commitment to helping Lilith, even up to his death he basically flips the bird and says he'd do it again, because its the only option humanity has, and ultimately he's right (until a Mcguffin is introduced later)
And Rathma, who dies before the start of the story, knows he's going to die, knows how everything is going to play out and just submits, a man who unfortunately has a deterministic reality since he knows the future.

in the Expac we get Uru and Urivar, Uru is a fucktard who gets lead around by his nose by Mephisto and like everyone else who has been targeted by Mephisto, is forced into two impossible choices that Mephisto's option is always the winning one, which has been a theme with Mephisto since the very start of the lore, books especially.

Urivar is a nutter who is, like all the nutters, is completely right but cannot convince saner people of it, and cannot gel with less extreme measures because everything is fucked, so he rubs up against the person who can slaughter him, as it goes.

Not really seeing the "every male gets treated like shit" here.
 
Lorath spent the entire base game moaning and pissing and getting drunk, while getting rude and pissy when you save his ass ("What took you so long?") and generally being even more useless than Cain, who at least identify items for free, He is missing in the "Save Neyrelle because she is so precious oogly-oogly"" expansion Vassal of Hatred, but is mentioned once or twice. So... he's not heroic, just an annoying quest-giver.

He is also used by Blizzard in The Book of Lorath as the key gaslighter to drive home again how important Neyrelle is, when in the game she is just a retard responsible for the deaths of dozens of innocents, Akarat, and some big name NPCs. He came off like he's creepily in love with her.

As for the men suck, women rule, the plot armor is insane in the game.

- Prava swarmed by demons right in Hell, survived anyway.
- That swamp witch Taissa was a vassal of Andariel, survived anyway without any apparent PTSD and was even a bitch to you despite you saving her life
- Neyrelle was actually a host of Mephisto, but survived and then bitched about how hard it is to have lost her mother when bitch was responsible for making many kids in Kurast without their mommies, meanwhile that kid that became an unwitting host of Astaroth died without any saving grace

Women also get less gory deaths, if they even die at all, compared to men in spite of claims that this game is back to its grimdark roots. A notable one is that of the two that betrayed Dornan, the woman died in battle while giving dumb villain exposition, while the man died a gruesome death without any dignity rolls allowed.

PS: Neyrelle is the most obnoxious NPC cunt since Maya from Borderlands, so great job Blizzard.
 
Expac is making some much needed changes.
Blizz is one of the worst companies but they are at least committed to not abandoning their mtx skinner boxes.

Will Nip Jesus possessed by Faust's version of the Devil prevail?.will Mommy Lilith demon-girlboss on Dad? Can Tyreal ever be useful?

Tune in, in a month.
 
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