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Kari Kamiya said:
Don't forget Joe. He became a doctor like his family wanted, albeit more-or-less a Digimon doctor.
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That one always bothered me. Throughout the show, what gets reinforced about Jou is that he is reliable screwup. His heart is in the right place, but he always lacked the skill of his peers. That why I thought Shin's advice to him was not to put value in his skills or intelligence, but to find value in his capacity to be someone who had your back. If anything, Jou should have been the one selling Ramen on the corner of some street. Sure, it wouldn't have been as prestigious as being a doctor, but that would be the point--that his happiness would be found in the simple things in life, not the complexities.
 
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Cheeseknife said:
That one always bothered me. Throughout the show, what gets reinforced about Jou is that he is reliable screwup. His heart is in the right place, but he always lacked the skill of his peers. That why I thought Shin's advice to him was not to put value in his skills or intelligence, but to find value in his capacity to be someone who had your back. If anything, Jou should have been the one selling Ramen on the corner of some street. Sure, it wouldn't have been as prestigious as being a doctor, but that would be the point--that his happiness would be found in the simple things in life, not the complexities.
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But Joe deciding to become a doctor was part of his sincerity, the actual Crest of his. He had to learn to stop second-guessing himself and to be honest while putting others first. That's why he'd be considered a good leader had Tai not stepped up to the plate to prove himself, not that because he's the oldest, but because it's in his nature to look after people, so that was why he was in charge of the emergency bag.

Davis is ambitious enough to want to do something like being a small business owner of a ramen cart. Joe could've done something like that, too, but his heart was set on not letting his family and peers down, he just needed that push and support from Gomamon to be okay with it. It's part of the reason his characterization in Tri was rather frustrating, like yeah, his studies were getting the better of him, but everyone knew what his ambitions were and what he wanted to do in life. If the writers were smart (or actually truly cared), they could've handled the reality of how hard he was pushing himself to near-exhaustion while still struggling in school a lot better, perhaps then him and Gomamon's fight and him avoiding the others wouldn't have felt out-of-character (they could still keep in the heart-to-heart he had with Mimi, that was a good scene). Or at least they wouldn't have shafted him so fast after part two, for that matter.
 
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Kari Kamiya said:
But Joe deciding to become a doctor was part of his sincerity, the actual Crest of his. He had to learn to stop second-guessing himself and to be honest while putting others first. That's why he'd be considered a good leader had Tai not stepped up to the plate to prove himself, not that because he's the oldest, but because it's in his nature to look after people, so that was why he was in charge of the emergency bag.
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I know, it's just funny they made something his parents wanted him to do be the thing that he wanted to do. Seems to me it might have been better if he had that sincere desire to be something else, but knew his parents would disapprove. I dunno, I guess Jou's struggle always seemed to be that he was a bit like Forest Gump--incredibly capable, even if he wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

Kari Kamiya said:
It's part of the reason his characterization in Tri was rather frustrating
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Yeah, Tri was a mess.
 
Cheeseknife said:
Seems to me it might have been better if he had that sincere desire to be something else, but knew his parents would disapprove
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But his story was that he didn't want to be a doctor, but then his time in the DW changed his mind. And his older brother stopped studying to be a doctor and his parents didn't seem to mind. I sometimes feel if things aren't spelt out for most fans they miss these things
 
Johnny Salami said:
But his story was that he didn't want to be a doctor, but then his time in the DW changed his mind. And his older brother stopped studying to be a doctor and his parents didn't seem to mind. I sometimes feel if things aren't spelt out for most fans they miss these things
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Well, things turned out the way they did regardless so whatever my impressions were, this is what we got.

Of course part of my confusion was in how they tried to reconcile things in Tri, but Tri also seemed to depict Taichi in a manner ill befit of someone who grew out of his mischievous reckless phase after Episode 20 of Adventure. Maybe Tri just thought the only way we'd recognize the characters is if they acted like they did at the beginning of Adventure 01, without much regard to how they grew.
 
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I think since it launched with Adventure-And-The-Barely-Distinguishing-Colon in 2020, my main investment in Digimon has been the card game. Great art and representation for characters across the franchise: even game/manga characters are included despite the fact they otherwise NEVER get merch.

Though, it's been hard for me to care about the most recent main boosters. The two most recent sets were just them spreading out all the Adventure 01 stuff across two sets with some Seekers sprinkled in, and the upcoming one is the same deal just with 01 swapped for the 02 movie. As someone who isn't big on Adventure stuff and doesn't really care for Seekers (Loogamon is a good boi tho), yeah can't say that had me too excited. Least the EX booster that came out between these with Coronamon, Lunamon, and co. was good shit and I'm looking forward to the next EX which is confirmed to have a new Mastemon.
 
Some friends and I are re-watching Adventure 02.

Coming hot of the bat of Adventure 01, I'm noticing how the pacing was ramped up from 0 to 100. Daisuke becomes the de-facto leader in episode 01 where the goggle hand-off is initiated after one battle. In Adventure 01, Taichi was officially made the leader in Episode 28.

Adventure 01 forced the children into a situation where they had no choice but to survive. Most of their initial adult evolutions come off the back of quick-thinking and reacting to some current crisis. Meanwhile, Adventure 02 has the children leisurely coming and going from the Digital World as they please, and all they seemingly need is a pep talk from one of the older children before they suddenly become brave and capable.

The Adventure 02 cast just waters down what the Adventure 01 cast had to deal with. Daisuke, Miyako, and Iori are way too eager to jump into danger. The dangers themselves also seem far more trivial in retrospect given the lack of the whole "we're stuck on an island and have no choice" versus "we can just come and go as we please."
 
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Cheeseknife said:
The Adventure 02 cast just waters down what the Adventure 01 cast had to deal with. Daisuke, Miyako, and Iori are way too eager to jump into danger. The dangers themselves also seem far more trivial in retrospect given the lack of the whole "we're stuck on an island and have no choice" versus "we can just come and go as we please."
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I think with this, it makes sense for them to be more reckless because they're wanting that sense of adventure. Yolei in particular witnessed Omnimon and Diaboromon and thought that was awesome.
 
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Kari Kamiya said:
I think with this, it makes sense for them to be more reckless because they're wanting that sense of adventure. Yolei in particular witnessed Omnimon and Diaboromon and thought that was awesome.
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I'm not saying it makes sense as far as the literal events go. I'm saying the tone of the show has changed dramatically.

Adventure 01 has kids who were placed in a situation where their backs where against the wall and fight or flight kicks in. Aventure 01, they can't wave their Digivices at a TV screen and come back into the safety of a Tokyo classroom. Adventure 01, they aren't receiving pep talks from their elders. They're on their own, for the most part, having to take on all these new responsibilities in a hostile world.

Adventure 02 has a revolving door, and apparently the Kaiser and his antics are only so threatening as to allow the new children to flippantly go in and come out and attend to their regular daily lives without much hassle. This paints the new threat as less of a serious matter and more a matter of having some happy fun times in the Digital World between arbitrary fights and evolution sequences. Episode 07 even seem to lampshade this where Palmon and Mimi are reunited and there's an awkward moment where Mimi has to admit the only reason she was visiting was to have a picnic. Dark Towers scattered about the Digital World, but the kids have time to take a picnic.

The tone has changed is basically what I'm saying, and it makes the entire "adventure" far more trivial.
 
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Cheeseknife said:
I'm not saying it makes sense as far as the literal events go. I'm saying the tone of the show has changed dramatically.

Adventure 01 has kids who were placed in a situation where their backs where against the wall and fight or flight kicks in. Aventure 01, they can't wave their Digivices at a TV screen and come back into the safety of a Tokyo classroom. Adventure 01, they aren't receiving pep talks from their elders. They're on their own, for the most part, having to take on all these new responsibilities in a hostile world.

Adventure 02 has a revolving door, and apparently the Kaiser and his antics are only so threatening as to allow the new children to flippantly go in and come out and attend to their regular daily lives without much hassle. This paints the new threat as less of a serious matter and more a matter of having some happy fun times in the Digital World between arbitrary fights and evolution sequences. Episode 07 even seem to lampshade this where Palmon and Mimi are reunited and there's an awkward moment where Mimi has to admit the only reason she was visiting was to have a picnic. Dark Towers scattered about the Digital World, but the kids have time to take a picnic.

The tone has changed is basically what I'm saying, and it makes the entire "adventure" far more trivial.
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Ken does go home after their fights, he doesn't live full time in the Digital World until a little later and there was a big deal about him disappearing in the real world. The last time I saw the series was a few years ago and even I remember that plot point.
 
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cactus said:
Ken does go home after their fights, he doesn't live full time in the Digital World until a little later and there was a big deal about him disappearing in the real world. The last time I saw the series was a few years ago and even I remember that plot point.
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He does, but that still doesn't detract from the fact that the new children have it easy and that they're given an out. They can escape. The original children couldn't, as much as they wanted to. This begs the question what kind of superhuman energy is keeping the new children in the game despite the dangers.

I'm just saying, the tone of Adventure 02 is a lighter and more up-beat "Let's have fun!" vibe than Adventure 01. Adventure 01 was far more gritty in retrospect, calling into question how seriously we are to take the danger in Adventure 02 versus what was the norm in Adventure 01.
 
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Has anyone here played World Data Squad/Savers Another Mission on PS2? I know Marc insists it's the worst, but can't exactly trust his opinions. Was looking at what games to get since I just picked up a PS2 again
 
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Oh boy can't wait for another adventure movie or 02 reboot anime

Ideally i'd love to see Digimon V-Tamer or digimon Next into an anime, even an OVA would be nice
Some Frontier or Savers love would be good too but I doubt any of that will ever happen
 
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RX-78 said:
OK so maybe this is the 02 sequel to Colon?
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