Dindus beat disabled guy saving a turtle...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/16/disabled-navy-veteran-beaten-after-defending-turtle.html

"Two men and a teenager in Florida are behind bars after they attacked a disabled Navy veteran who was trying to protect a turtle that they were torturing, according to police and the vet's family. ...."

 

[Male Idiot]

See, "doing it to be asses" is irrelevant. That's the point. Motivation doesn't matter that much if the end result is the same.

For example, if they were boiling the turtle to eat it, compared to just boiling it to be dicks, the end result is still that a turtle gets boiled to death. (I know they weren't boiling it in this case.)

I think (perhaps not you specifically, but) many people would lose their shit if they were boiling it for fun, and many of those same people wouldn't give a shit if they were boiling it to eat it. That's inconsistent.

There is a difference between doing a cruel thing because you are hungry and have to, and doing it just for kicks.

 

[AnOminous]

For example, if they were boiling the turtle to eat it, compared to just boiling it to be dicks, the end result is still that a turtle gets boiled to death. (I know they weren't boiling it in this case.)

The moral difference is that killing to eat is generally considered morally justified and outweighing any protectable interests of the animal. When there is no purpose for the action, it is simply immoral and has no justification.

 

[Marvin]

There is a difference between doing a cruel thing because you are hungry and have to, and doing it just for kicks.

The moral difference is that killing to eat is generally considered morally justified and outweighing any protectable interests of the animal. When there is no purpose for the action, it is simply immoral and has no justification.

You don't need to eat turtle.

Edit: To elaborate on this further: eating meat isn't likely a biological necessity. We kill animals regularly because they're tasty, not because we absolutely have to.

(I know there's a big debate about whether humans can get the necessary protein from purely plant based sources. I haven't really seen anything conclusive on that on either side. But at the very least, we don't need to eat nearly as much meat as we do.)

Personally, I have no problem with killing animals for food. Animals have a reduced sense of self compared to humans. We have an obligation not to torture them outright or cause undue suffering, but I don't think that keeps us from killing them when it's convenient for us, like if we want to eat them.

Let's not kid ourselves: it's rarely a necessity.

 

[Male Idiot]

Vegetards are dumb. It is a new age fad and as scientific as shooting bleach up one's ass.

Now some people do eat more meat than what is sctrictly necessary for their dietary requirements, but that is a minor thing.

Biological necessity. You can make your car run without an oil change, you can survive eating nothing but bread for weeks, but it does not make it as good for you or your car as the other solutions.

I know you love every dindu with the passion of a thousand KFCs, but sometimes they are just scumbags I'm afraid.

 

[Marvin]

Vegetards are dumb. It is a new age fad and as scientific as shooting bleach up one's ass.

Now some people do eat more meat than what is sctrictly necessary for their dietary requirements, but that is a minor thing.

Biological necessity. You can make your car run without an oil change, you can survive eating nothing but bread for weeks, but it does not make it as good for you or your car as the other ssolutions.

Nonsense. Most evidence suggests you can be completely healthy living with almost no meat in your diet. The only debate is whether or not that last bit of meat is necessary.

 

[Male Idiot]

I just think that you are very optimistic in that regard. Humans are very versatile, they can run on most types of food. Like pigs. But the "we are really herbivores guys" I think is just pure fiction put out by western researchers paid by organic food companies to push their bullshit on hippies and convert more fools to their cause.

I know this sounds like paranoid dumbassery on my part, but look at that psychiatry professor that went against the LGBT crowd and got fired and dogpiled, we had a thread on it a month or two ago. Unfortunately this happens in western science more and more. Political findings, peer pressure. It used to be the same in the USSR.

 

[BillionBisonBucks]

If it makes you feel any better the turtle might have lived. Turtles are indestructible according to many reports like this one

Fuck YES they are. I once slaughtered a snapping turtle for some -

Have you bitches ever eaten turtle soup? Delicious.

Oh yes it is. The guide I read to butcher it claimed there's seven flavors of meat in a turtle, of which my roommate and I found four distinct ones.

Before any animal cruelty noise starts, that snapper had set up shop in the middle of a horse pasture and was large enough to break a horse's leg. We called Animal Control first, and they informed us they'd be along shortly with a .22, which we already had. So once the turtle death was a foregone conclusion, we turned to making the best of it.

And we did make the best of it.

Anyway, killing it was an insanely drawn out process, with two separate instances where I thought the job was done and it wasn't. Even after I struck off that Jurassic motherfucker's head with an axe, it still fought us as we tied it up to drain the blood. (We didn't use the gun because said roommate was an anatomy sperg and wanted an intact turtle skull to go with the rest of her collection)

All things considered, I think I'd prefer just dropping the whole thing in a pot next time, as a mercy to both of us.

 

[Hui]

Nonsense. Most evidence suggests you can be completely healthy living with almost no meat in your diet. The only debate is whether or not that last bit of meat is necessary.

Yeah even if this were true. Meat is delicious and I'll be damned if I ate what a rabbit eats.

 

[Coldgrip]

Fuck YES they are. I once slaughtered a snapping turtle for some -


Oh yes it is. The guide I read to butcher it claimed there's seven flavors of meat in a turtle, of which my roommate and I found four distinct ones.

Before any animal cruelty noise starts, that snapper had set up shop in the middle of a horse pasture and was large enough to break a horse's leg. We called Animal Control first, and they informed us they'd be along shortly with a .22, which we already had. So once the turtle death was a foregone conclusion, we turned to making the best of it.

And we did make the best of it.

Anyway, killing it was an insanely drawn out process, with two separate instances where I thought the job was done and it wasn't. Even after I struck off that Jurassic motherfucker's head with an axe, it still fought us as we tied it up to drain the blood. (We didn't use the gun because said roommate was an anatomy sperg and wanted an intact turtle skull to go with the rest of her collection)

All things considered, I think I'd prefer just dropping the whole thing in a pot next time, as a mercy to both of us.

From what a friend of mine from the south has said, the head can still bite and take off a finger for up to an hour after the thing has been decapitated.

 

[Marvin]

I just think that you are very optimistic in that regard. Humans are very versatile, they can run on most types of food. Like pigs. But the "we are really herbivores guys" I think is just pure fiction put out by western researchers paid by organic food companies to push their bullshit on hippies and convert more fools to their cause.

Oh, certainly. We're definitely not herbivores, we're omnivores. But we're not "obligate carnivores", like cats.

A human diet needs macronutrients and micronutrients. Macronutrients are things like carbs and protein. We can get a lot of protein from plant sources. There are some kinds of protein that we can only get from animal sources (or it's very tricky to get it otherwise). The debate comes down to how important these other kinds of protein are and whether we can go without them. I don't really have an opinion on that either way.

My point is that, speaking honestly, we don't need to eat nearly as much as meat as we do. Let's call a spade a spade: a big chunk of livestock are dying primarily because they're delicious. And then some animals suffer more than other animals depending on how they're killed. Most seafood gets suffocated (or boiled to death) before it comes to your plate, for example.

We make the decision to eat seafood because it's delicious. I don't really lose sleep over this. I love a good surf n turf, and if a cow and a fish need to die to make that happen... well, shit sucks for the cow and the fish.

I know this sounds like paranoid dumbassery on my part, but look at that psychiatry professor that went against the LGBT crowd and got fired and dogpiled, we had a thread on it a month or two ago. Unfortunately this happens in western science more and more. Political findings, peer pressure. It used to be the same in the USSR.

Well in the USSR, the consequences for going against established scientific doctrine was a lot more serious than what happens in the west. I don't think we'll see Lysenkoism in the west, for example. Universities simply don't have the clout necessary to hide the truth on that kind of scale.

But hugboxes are always a problem. The best we can do, I guess, is encourage critical thinking as much as possible. The internet helps people criticize this kind of nonsense anonymously too. (This is more about the social sciences, but I love Real Peer Review.)

Before any animal cruelty noise starts, that snapper had set up shop in the middle of a horse pasture and was large enough to break a horse's leg.

From what a friend of mine from the south has said, the head can still bite and take off a finger for up to an hour after the thing has been decapitated.

Snapping turtles are fucking scary. They're like prehistoric beasts.

Yeah even if this were true. Meat is delicious and I'll be damned if I ate what a rabbit eats.

Absolutely.

Heh, to get back to the original story: the fellows fucking with the turtle, and then chimping out when confronted about it, are trashy apes.

 

[Doctor Professor Timon]

Torturing animals for fun is a sign of serious mental deficiency or disorder. Much less assaulting the elderly.

Also, relevant picture. They dindu nuffin.

 

[Male Idiot]

Oh, certainly. We're definitely not herbivores, we're omnivores. But we're not "obligate carnivores", like cats.

A human diet needs macronutrients and micronutrients. Macronutrients are things like carbs and protein. We can get a lot of protein from plant sources. There are some kinds of protein that we can only get from animal sources (or it's very tricky to get it otherwise). The debate comes down to how important these other kinds of protein are and whether we can go without them. I don't really have an opinion on that either way.

My point is that, speaking honestly, we don't need to eat nearly as much as meat as we do. Let's call a spade a spade: a big chunk of livestock are dying primarily because they're delicious. And then some animals suffer more than other animals depending on how they're killed. Most seafood gets suffocated (or boiled to death) before it comes to your plate, for example.

We make the decision to eat seafood because it's delicious. I don't really lose sleep over this. I love a good surf n turf, and if a cow and a fish need to die to make that happen... well, shit sucks for the cow and the fish.

Well in the USSR, the consequences for going against established scientific doctrine was a lot more serious than what happens in the west. I don't think we'll see Lysenkoism in the west, for example. Universities simply don't have the clout necessary to hide the truth on that kind of scale.

But hugboxes are always a problem. The best we can do, I guess, is encourage critical thinking as much as possible. The internet helps people criticize this kind of nonsense anonymously too. (This is more about the social sciences, but I love Real Peer Review.)


Snapping turtles are fucking scary. They're like prehistoric beasts.

Absolutely.

Heh, to get back to the original story: the fellows fucking with the turtle, and then chimping out when confronted about it, are trashy apes.

Oh I agree we eat more meat than we strictly need. Propably once a week would suffice. But honestly, this is one of those things that are propably not worth taking the risk. I did read a decade ago that Omega 3 fatty acids really help children develop during their early years for example. So it is one of those cases where one would be better safe than sorry.