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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,578
IdaRita said:
I guess the thread is mostly about animation and "core Disney", not We Buy Everything Empire it is now?
As fan of animation I've always liked Disney movies and appreciate company's massive influence on animation as a medium (8 old man and 12 principles of animation), but they never were a thing defying my childhood? I liked Pixar more. I did not watched them often and early 2000s are considered "Dark Age" in Disney's history. I think I like them more now than as a kid.
Disney Afternoon cartoons are another story, they were replayed in TV very often and I loved watching them - especially Winnie The Pooh and Ducktales.
While I really like Disney movies, I also think internet age and all the buzz around their movies is really damaging to the brand. Countless reimagination of princesses and articles about how they are "problematic", we want this, we want that, obsessive Disney spergs having the platform to "express themselves". I know, Disney was always big and internet makes popularuity of everything seem insane and tiring, but Disney has it especially bad. It is no longer that innocent , colourful dreamland for children, it's hard to sepatare it from "adult" issues when every freaking article is overanalizing it.
I also don't like this trend of Disney movies being "self-aware" and paroding themselves. Tangled made some subtle nods and jokes, but at the same time succed at being perfect classic Disney movie in CGI age. It's one of my top favourites. I like that Zootopia did something really really different.
But I think "Frozen" was too much "look, we are subversive". While I liked Moana and from what I've seen Elena of Avalor is cute show, I don't like how princess having any love interest (other that potential lesbian) is slowly becoming a taboo. Yeah, it was a bit irritating that every heroine had obligatory love story, but that new "no man" rule also is. And characterization of princesses in Wreck it Ralph 2 trailers is terrible.
Shrek is almost 20 years old. Did fairytale movies parody better.
But it's just trends I'm noticing and maybe they are going to die before becoming the really big thing.
Live action reboots are meh to me. They are nice watch, but I don't plan to see any of them in cinema.

I also really like modern Disney TV Animation, like I mentioned in other threads. I think their cartoons are the most diverse compared to CN and Nick, many of them is not infamous "Cal Arts style" (I don't like the term, but that different story) and they made new Ducktales good (minus some Weeby moments and out of place Sailor Moon parody).
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That's why it's probably good stuff like The Black Cauldron, Bambi and Three Caballeros are underrated. You can enjoy them without any of that Tumblr crap.

And yeah, me too. People will complain about "forced love interests" but I've always been a romantic at heart (yet the further I sit down and think of it, most of Disney's couples are kinda random or forced). But I still don't like how romance seems taboo now in the new area, all the bromances just get boring and predictable in the long run.
 
Cyborg Scars said:
Why was Martin's & The Coys removed? Too much violence?
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Pretty sure it's the over the top gun violence, yeah. Since America is kinda plagued by mass shootings/gun violence in general it's a pretty delicate issue, to say the least. Even with something as obviously over the top as this they still feel it's better to be safe than sorry.

The smoking thing I also get but it's a little weird considering how prominently villains like Cruella deVille and Sykes smoke in their movies. At least the alcohol isn't going anywhere.
 
MysticMisty said:
Pretty sure it's the over the top gun violence, yeah. Since America is kinda plagued by mass shootings/gun violence in general it's a pretty delicate issue, to say the least. Even with something as obviously over the top as this they still feel it's better to be safe than sorry.

The smoking thing I also get but it's a little weird considering how prominently villains like Cruella deVille and Sykes smoke in their movies. At least the alcohol isn't going anywhere.
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Both my elementary and middle school banned the 1961 cartoon 101 Dalmatians due to Cruella and Roger both lighting up throughout the film. As such I was forced to spend my time watching that dreadful live-action remake whenever it would come up. Ironically though this rule was not enforced for the 1972 animated Lorax special which is ironic given how often the Once-ler is seen with a cigar.
 
8777BB5 said:
Both my elementary and middle school banned the 1961 cartoon 101 Dalmatians due to Cruella and Roger both lighting up throughout the film. As such I was forced to spend my time watching that dreadful live-action remake whenever it would come up.
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Oh that sucked.

Ironically though this rule was not enforced for the 1972 animated Lorax special which is ironic given how often the Once-ler is seen with a cigar.
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And I went to a grade school that showed me Old Yeller in the third grade. I suppose I had the better advantage.
 
MysticMisty said:
Pretty sure it's the over the top gun violence, yeah. Since America is kinda plagued by mass shootings/gun violence in general it's a pretty delicate issue, to say the least. Even with something as obviously over the top as this they still feel it's better to be safe than sorry.

The smoking thing I also get but it's a little weird considering how prominently villains like Cruella deVille and Sykes smoke in their movies. At least the alcohol isn't going anywhere.
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I should note that they haven't censored out any scenes where smoking is depicted negatively.
 
MysticMisty said:
Pretty sure it's the over the top gun violence, yeah. Since America is kinda plagued by mass shootings/gun violence in general it's a pretty delicate issue, to say the least. Even with something as obviously over the top as this they still feel it's better to be safe than sorry.
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I suppose, but I do remember how butthurt the fans were back in the Usenet days where posts would go on for months on end about the editing of both Melody Time and Make Mine Music. It was just another reason to hate Disney at the time regardless of the reasons. I thought they would never end.

Steamboat_Bill said:
I should note that they haven't censored out any scenes where smoking is depicted negatively.
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I could see why that was the case.
 
Trilby said:
I suppose, but I do remember how butthurt the fans were back in the Usenet days where posts would go on for months on end about the editing of both Melody Time and Make Mine Music. It was just another reason to hate Disney at the time regardless of the reasons. I thought they would never end.


I could see why that was the case.
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And here we are today, complaining about complaining. It's amazing how far we've come
 
UnKillFill said:
For real though, I hope they include the formerly deleted scene where Scar #metoo's Nala in the new live action Lion King.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zl8gDjaHWWA
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Cyborg Scars said:
Wasn't that in the musical, or is it a different song?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wqUbkD-uAp8
I guess a reprise is always good, and it needs something to set it apart from the original, minus a mostly inferior voice cast.

Edit: seems only the intro was the same. Untapped market then
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Storyboard concept with the musical's reprise was fan animated really well a few years ago.
 
Nekromantik said:
I'll admit it, every Halloween for as long as I can remember, I watch the Legend of Sleepy Hollow. It's always been a favorite of mine.
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I also wanted to bring up something that I thought I had forgotten from when I was a kid. I had a lot of these Disney read and play records. (Yes I know Buzzfeed link) My mom found a bunch of them when she was cleaning house and reminded me how much I loved them, apparently the Haunted Mansion was a favorite. It's kind of interesting seeing stuff in there like Star Wars looking back, and some forgotten gems like Black Hole.
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I remember I had the Robin Hood one. I have no idea where it came from, my mom might’ve picked it up at a garage sale, or it might’ve been a gift.
 
UnKillFill said:
Yeah, I've seen that before. It's great and all, but they ended it too soon. (The bit where the hyenas all come out would have been more interesting to see)
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I suppose there's a limit to what one or a few people alone could do in animation.
 
Cyborg Scars said:
In regards to WiR2, it's clearly just the Emoji Movie, but because Disney, people will eat that shit up.
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I remember about two years ago, they were already trying to draw people into WiR2 by reporting Mario and Luigi were gonna be in it. Now I heard Mario won't be in it and I'm pretty sure it's because of Nintendo's theme park/film deal with Universal and Illumination. The first movie was fun for kids who like video games, but they won't be able to recreate that with the internet. Nobody gets excited over the internet itself, not even kids, they care about the content the internet gives them access to.

I also see Ralph's character the same way I saw Black Panther's appearances where he already completed his character arc. Whatever they do with him is bound to be not very compelling.
 
Let's be honest, Ralph 2 was just an excuse made by marketers to sell more princess dolls (Maybe Disney was trying to replicate Barbie? After all you can sell MORE dolls outside of just the princess ones if you put them in modern clothes...).

If you cut out the princess / Disney nonsense from the film I feel nobody would go see this crap.
 
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