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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.5%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,087 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,577
Johnny Bravo said:
I saw Hunchback when I was about 11 I think, it scared the living shit out of me. I'd never even heard the word 'rape' at that age but when Tony Jay started singing Hellfire my childlike mind figured out exactly what he wanted to do to Esmeralda.
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Hellfire is an insanely good song. Yeah it's technically about "either have sex with me or I will kill you" but it does a great job describing how tortured Frollo is, considering he hates gypsies yet is in love with a gypsy and also he has to be celibate.

Plus they didn't really stay true to the source material. That'd be a hell of a depressing movie that even the stupid gargoyle characters they shoved in there couldn't cheer up.
 
This is an underrated villain song from an underrated movie.
(Who doesn't like Kieth David?)
 
eternal dog mongler said:
Hellfire is an insanely good song. Yeah it's technically about "either have sex with me or I will kill you" but it does a great job describing how tortured Frollo is, considering he hates gypsies yet is in love with a gypsy and also he has to be celibate.

Plus they didn't really stay true to the source material. That'd be a hell of a depressing movie that even the stupid gargoyle characters they shoved in there couldn't cheer up.
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But Frollo doesn't have to be celibate because they made him a judge instead of a priest so as not to offend the Papists.
 
Speaking of underrated villain songs...
In addition to being almost literally "Evil friend like me," it's also meta AF, because the villain is telling the shitty replacement for Robin Williams (It's the guy who voices Homer Simpson to this day) that he's "only second rate" which is frankly true.
 
It still amazes me they got Lucasfilms and Marvel for only $4bn each. What a fucking coup in media terms.

Let's look at the takes from Marvel films alone:

Avengers: 1.5bn
Avengers 2: 1.4bn
Avengers IW: 2bn
Black Panther: 1.3bn
Cap: 370m
Cap 2: 714m
Cap Civil War: 1.15bn
Hulk: 263.4m
Spider-Man: 880m (though they got nothing from this aside from licensing)
Iron Man 2: 623.9m
Iron Man 3: 1.2bn
Doctor Strange: 677.7m
Iron Man: 585.1m
Guardians: 773m
Guardians 2: 863m
Ant Man: 519m
Thor: 449m
Thor 2: 644m
Thor 3: 853m

Now let's look at Star Wars:

Force Awakens: 2bn
Rogue One: 1bn
The Last Jedi: 1.3bn
Solo: 393m

Even taking away half for advertising, production, and other hidden costs, they're still banging.

Not even counting comics and novels, home video, periphery movie licensing deals, TV shows, themepark attractions, toys, misc consumer products like fucking underwear and blankets, and of course investor contributions and stock earnings.

And they're just really only getting started with Star Wars. They haven't even touched Indiana Jones - another sure loot pinata once they figure that out. Another multi-billion franchise.

Disney is laughing all the way to the bank.
 
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Dogs can't look up said:
It still amazes me they got Lucasfilms and Marvel for only $4bn each. What a fucking coup in media terms.

Let's look at the takes from Marvel films alone:

Avengers: 1.5bn
Avengers 2: 1.4bn
Avengers IW: 2bn
Black Panther: 1.3bn
Cap: 370m
Cap 2: 714m
Cap Civil War: 1.15bn
Hulk: 263.4m
Spider-Man: 880m (though they got nothing from this aside from licensing)
Iron Man 2: 623.9m
Iron Man 3: 1.2bn
Doctor Strange: 677.7m
Iron Man: 585.1m
Guardians: 773m
Guardians 2: 863m
Ant Man: 519m
Thor: 449m
Thor 2: 644m
Thor 3: 853m

Now let's look at Star Wars:

Force Awakens: 2bn
Rogue One: 1bn
The Last Jedi: 1.3bn
Solo: 393m

Even taking away half for advertising, production, and other hidden costs, they're still banging.

Not even counting comics and novels, home video, periphery movie licensing deals, TV shows, themepark attractions, toys, misc consumer products like fucking underwear and blankets, and of course investor contributions and stock earnings.

And they're just really only getting started with Star Wars. They haven't even touched Indiana Jones - another sure loot pinata once they figure that out. Another multi-billion franchise.

Disney is laughing all the way to the bank.
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Except Disney has run both of them into ground. (Especially Star Wars) Marvel doesn't even get a pass, because they're about to do the same damn thing all over again
 
Dogs can't look up said:
In your critical opinion. Their films have been largely critically positive and, aside from a few bombs, financially wildly successful. Which I assume is all that matters to Disney in the end.
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TLJ's numbers were *only ok* for the money spent to make it (especially considering worldwide numbers), and Solo's numbers were frankly fucking terrible by any metric... Maybe I'm speaking too soon, but so far Captain Marvel seems to be jumping off the exact same social justard cliff that those previous failures have.
 
UnKillFill said:
TLJ's numbers were *only ok* for the money spent to make it (especially considering worldwide numbers), and Solo's numbers were frankly fucking terrible by any metric... Maybe I'm speaking too soon, but so far Captain Marvel seems to be jumping off the exact same social justard cliff that those previous failures have.
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Do you have production and ad figures? It netted $1.3bn in box office revenue alone (there's still aftermarket, licensing, etc). Even if it cost a silly amount like $600m to produce and ad that would still be a take many other AAA films would love to have. It was a successful film, regardless of how shitty it was (I didn't care for it myself).
 
Dogs can't look up said:
Do you have production and ad figures? It netted $1.3bn in box office revenue alone (there's still aftermarket, licensing, etc). Even if it cost a silly amount like $600m to produce and ad that would still be a take many other AAA films would love to have. It was a successful film, regardless of how shitty it was (I didn't care for it myself).
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Disney is obviously going to make a profit from Star Wars by hook or by crook, but that doesn't mean it will have been a good investment from a financial standpoint. When Disney bought Star Wars, it was looking for a certain return over a specific period of time. Whether its actually making that return isn't as simple as pointing to box office receipts and going "look, its making money!"
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Disney is obviously going to make a profit from Star Wars by hook or by crook, but that doesn't mean it will have been a good investment from a financial standpoint. When Disney bought Star Wars, it was looking for a certain return over a specific period of time. Whether its actually making that return isn't as simple as pointing to box office receipts and going "look, its making money!"
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Yea, which is why I pointed to other revenue streams earlier. My guess is they make just as much from licensing and what not as they do from films, with very little overhead. That's why they were confident purchasing it with cash. No strings attached. Full ownership.
 
UnKillFill said:
Speaking of underrated villain songs...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jhj25HnpSRUIn addition to being almost literally "Evil friend like me," it's also meta AF, because the villain is telling the shitty replacement for Robin Williams (It's the guy who voices Homer Simpson to this day) that he's "only second rate" which is frankly true.
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I think it being meta is just a coincidence, it's just Jafar getting cocky because he had wished himself to be a powerful genie, I think he specified wanting to be more powerful than Genie himself. It's probably why it is he deserved dying as horribly as he did, like goddamn, they didn't hold back on that.

But yeah, such an underappreciated song. In terms of villain songs, outside of "Hellfire", I've always liked "Poor Unfortunate Souls".
I saw mentioned years ago on TV Tropes that Ursula is a villain that could only have come into existence in a time when Disney was still willing to take risks and wasn't afraid of the moral guardians. I think if it wasn't for the fact she's an iconic villain in her own right (and that Little Mermaid is a huge success), they'd sweep her under the rug with Horned King and pretend she doesn't exist because of how fucking horrifying she is.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
I think it being meta is just a coincidence, it's just Jafar getting cocky because he had wished himself to be a powerful genie, I think he specified wanting to be more powerful than Genie himself. It's probably why it is he deserved dying as horribly as he did, like goddamn, they didn't hold back on that.

But yeah, such an underappreciated song. In terms of villain songs, outside of "Hellfire", I've always liked "Poor Unfortunate Souls".
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Gi58pN8W3hYI saw mentioned years ago on TV Tropes that Ursula is a villain that could only have come into existence in a time when Disney was still willing to take risks and wasn't afraid of the moral guardians. I think if it wasn't for the fact she's an iconic villain in her own right (and that Little Mermaid is a huge success), they'd sweep her under the rug with Horned King and pretend she doesn't exist because of how fucking horrifying she is.
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I mean, she was literally based on a drag queen.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_(performer)
 
Well, better villains that the ones Disney is giving us nowadays. Evil white male, evil white male, bitchy goddess on her period, Trump as a sheep...:|
 
Dogs can't look up said:
Solo: 393m
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Ouch.

I haven't seen Princess and the Frog in years. Maybe I'm just too old for this shit, but I always felt like the best things that movie had going for it were the animation and villain. Also that part where they straight up killed the comic relief character on screen. That was awesome. Not that I disliked the firefly, it's just that killing him like that made me sit up and pay attention in a way kids movies often don't manage. It's a good movie but I feel like it doesn't ever rise above "good" except for these few moments.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
I think it being meta is just a coincidence, it's just Jafar getting cocky because he had wished himself to be a powerful genie, I think he specified wanting to be more powerful than Genie himself. It's probably why it is he deserved dying as horribly as he did, like goddamn, they didn't hold back on that.

But yeah, such an underappreciated song. In terms of villain songs, outside of "Hellfire", I've always liked "Poor Unfortunate Souls".
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Gi58pN8W3hYI saw mentioned years ago on TV Tropes that Ursula is a villain that could only have come into existence in a time when Disney was still willing to take risks and wasn't afraid of the moral guardians. I think if it wasn't for the fact she's an iconic villain in her own right (and that Little Mermaid is a huge success), they'd sweep her under the rug with Horned King and pretend she doesn't exist because of how fucking horrifying she is.
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I do like Ursula though, she's actually one of the few disney villains lucky enough to get 2 villain songs, albeit in a different medium:
Even cooler, I just checked and it's apparently the original actress still voicing her.
 
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