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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 432 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,086 69.0%
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    1,575
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Betonhaus said:
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They would make the ghost a spook and not understand why it's offensive. After three months of production legal would come rushing into the office and explain to them that spook is an old term for a spade and they'd have to reshoot the entire movie. All said and done the movie will have been delayed a year, reshot in its entirety twice, and be $175 million over budget. Disney loses $250 million on it and blames White people, again.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
They would make the ghost a spook and not understand why it's offensive. After three months of production legal would come rushing into the office and explain to them that spook is an old term for a spade and they'd have to reshoot the entire movie. All said and done the movie will have been delayed a year, reshot in its entirety twice, and be $175 million over budget. Disney loses $250 million on it and blames White people, again.
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Don't forget adding somewhere a STRONK WOMAN, likely black, who's perfect and without faults, derails the plot, and is insufferable. Oh and the actress of said character may or may not be too stupid to keep her mouth shut and cause a scandal every time she speaks, increasing the costs of said movie.
 
Trianon said:
Frozen has slight issues, but the script is actually very well structured. It accomplishes the exact red herrings and feints that it needs to at all the right times, and the songs bear a lot of storytelling weight while also being extremely fun and wonderfully produced. But there was a spirit of improv that got them to that point, and trying to do that again with the sequel did not pay off as well and made the experience of creating that film absolutely miserable. You are not going to hit upon a great twist by accident AGAIN like making Elsa a co-protagonist.

It might have been their mistake to try to recreate that dynamic with Be Fri, actually, where the best friend/sister feels left behind by someone evolving/pulling away. It's difficult to make the "normal one" the main character like that, which is probably why some people identify an unnevenness to Frozen that doesn't gel with them. It just naturally makes people wish they were following a different, more exciting story when we are given too much insight into the one with magic.
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Even by Disney/cartoon standards, Frozen is easily one of the worst written animated movies there has been. The 2nd third of the movie, i.e. the part where Anna has to find/bring her sister back to the palace was completely pointless, and by that I mean it doesn't matter whether she does or doesn't bring her back because the main dilemma of the movie was always Elsa being able to control her powers. I can't think of any other Disney animated movie I watched (and I want to note I've barely seen any since this movie) that had a whole chunk of the movie end up being pointless.
 
verissimus said:
Even by Disney/cartoon standards, Frozen is easily one of the worst written animated movies there has been. The 2nd third of the movie, i.e. the part where Anna has to find/bring her sister back to the palace was completely pointless, and by that I mean it doesn't matter whether she does or doesn't bring her back because the main dilemma of the movie was always Elsa being able to control her powers. I can't think of any other Disney animated movie I watched (and I want to note I've barely seen any since this movie) that had a whole chunk of the movie end up being pointless.
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And it doesn't even give us any of the popular songs except for olafs song about summer, all the other big hits were in the first 1/3 ffs. In general frozen is a very strong start (if you ignore some plotholes), a useless middle where you struggle to remember what even happened during it, and a thematic but wtf ending with a shitton of plot holes. After Let it Go it just careens off a cliff.

Meanwhile, compare it to Tangled. The good songs are more scattered troughout (important for a MUSICAL), with the middle of the movie getting that song the people at the pub sing, the instrumental one where they dance in the town square, and the romantic boat scene one. And the credits have that fun mandy moore song.

And every part of the movie has actually relevant stuff happening. First third is the introduction, second third is rapunzel and flynn having their little adventure to accomplish their clear goals while also bonding while gothel stalks them (and the goals actually get accomplished!), the last third is a climax that brings all of it together. Its an actual well executed arc that doesnt messily go all over the place.
 
SpiderBitch said:
And it doesn't even give us any of the popular songs except for olafs song about summer, all the other big hits were in the first 1/3 ffs. In general frozen is a very strong start (if you ignore some plotholes), a useless middle where you struggle to remember what even happened during it, and a thematic but wtf ending with a shitton of plot holes. After Let it Go it just careens off a cliff.

Meanwhile, compare it to Tangled. The good songs are more scattered troughout (important for a MUSICAL), with the middle of the movie getting that song the people at the pub sing, the instrumental one where they dance in the town square, and the romantic boat scene one. And the credits have that fun mandy moore song.

And every part of the movie has actually relevant stuff happening. First third is the introduction, second third is rapunzel and flynn having their little adventure to accomplish their clear goals while also bonding while gothel stalks them (and the goals actually get accomplished!), the last third is a climax that brings all of it together. Its an actual well executed arc that doesnt messily go all over the place.
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Tangled also has the benefit of a cartoon series that fleshes out the world building a ton. I'm surprised they never gave Frozen a series, they did that all the time in the 90's.
 
Since the topic has popped back up again, I want to clarify that I would be fine with the concept of treating sisterly love as some kind of magical thing that can survive a decade of not interacting if Frozen didn't spend half its time bashing on unrealistic relationships. You can't do that and then expect me to give you leeway on your unrealistic relationship.

Anyway, ignoring the le quirky jokes, this is a good video on Frozen and its issues.

 
starborn427614 said:
Great set design and character writing, atmosphere was perfect.
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I thought the worldbuilding didn't make sense. Why did the villain explode as a ghost just because she denied having "unfinished business?" And I remember being upset that children could be doomed to be ghosts forever and not get to go to Heaven for that stupid reason.
 
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