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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,578
Meh, Hollywood movies always make unhistorical films. Getting upset over them is peak autism tbh.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
I take issue with the fact that for one, we know the Bolsheviks killed her, we have DNA evidence, so it's essentially outright ahistorical; and for two, the whole fact that it is perhaps the worst historical event to make into a movie like this. Even more so than Pocahontas, which was a master class in 90s Hollywood faux-progressivism.

If you know anything about Russian history your jaw drops when you see the film talk about how Rasputin used magic to cause discontent among the Russian people so they'd have a revolution... evidently we can't tell the kids that no magic was needed to make the Russians want to get rid of the tsar. Revolutions don't happen for no reason, after all.
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Nah man I’m with you. It’s funny as hell that a movie with both the Russian Imperial family and fucking communists ends up choosing the weirdo perverted peasant man as the villain.

I’ve heard Rasputin’s piss-poor political advice was an important factor in the immediate instability that led to the initial incidents of the revolution, but man that’s overselling his influence above the oppression of a system built on centuries of serfdom.

Decent movie tho. I like the funny bat.
 
Bluth’s Anastasia was made into a broadway musical not too long ago. No funny bat and best song ‘In the Dark of the Night’ tho.
 
Tour of Italy said:
Nah man I’m with you. It’s funny as hell that a movie with both the Russian Imperial family and fucking communists ends up choosing the weirdo perverted peasant man as the villain.

I’ve heard Rasputin’s piss-poor political advice was an important factor in the immediate instability that led to the initial incidents of the revolution, but man that’s overselling his influence above the oppression of a system built on centuries of serfdom.

Decent movie tho. I like the funny bat.
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Nicholas II would have fucked it all up with or without Rasputin, really. Why do you think the people wanted to get rid of him? (Which makes it funnier that one of the first numbers in the film has everyone singing about how much better it was under the tsar...)

Kurosaki Ichigo said:
Bluth’s Anastasia was made into a broadway musical not too long ago. No funny bat and best song ‘In the Dark of the Night’ tho.
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They evidently chucked out all the Rasputin bits and decided to use actual history... and I'm not sure whether that makes it better or worse.
 
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Steamboat_Bill said:
Nicholas II would have fucked it all up with or without Rasputin, really. Why do you think the people wanted to get rid of him? (Which makes it funnier that one of the first numbers in the film has everyone singing about how much better it was under the tsar...)
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Call it buyer's remorse. Revolutions are not always reasonable, and the soviet government that replaced the Tsar was so horrific that it had to ban emigration to stop people from fleeing the country.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Call it buyer's remorse. Revolutions are not always reasonable, and the soviet government that replaced the Tsar was so horrific that it had to ban emigration to stop people from fleeing the country.
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The song is not a proper representation of the Russian people's feelings about the tsar. No matter how bad things got in the Soviet Union nobody ever wanted the tsar back.

Don't get your history from musicals, essentially.

Kari Kamiya said:
I considered editing my post for that, but decided against it. So let's kick it up a notch:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fvztWaPapA4
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That's technically a musical, not history, but it kind of counts.
 
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If they really wanted to go true historical a play on the last tsar of Russia and his family would be pretty neat tbh. One of the eldest daughters had a bit of a relationship with a wounded soldier when she and a couple of the others acted as nurses so theres your romance sub plot ready to go.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
It's actually impressive they managed to change it from the passion-project Kingdom of the Sun to what they might have half-assed as Emperor's New Groove when the rug was pulled out from under them. I think they even said/admitted they didn't believe in the film afterwards, and were shocked when audiences liked it. While I think it'd be interesting to see what Kingdom of the Sun may have turned out to be (and The Road to El Dorado filled in the gaps, thankfully), I'm glad Emperor's New Groove exists. It and Shrek I think came out at the perfect time when it came to the style of humor and parody.
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For the curious, here's an underground documentary on just how Kingdom of the Sun transmogrified into Emperor's New Groove. Directed and produced by Trudie Styler, whose husband, Sting, was going to pen the score.
 
Pokemonquistador2 said:
one where the Titanic is attacked by a giant octopus
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Just wanna correct something because it's way fucking worse than that.

The octopus is actually trying to save those people and is trying to keep the boat from splitting.

It actually succeeds when it shows up in New York sometime later having saved everyone who couldn't make it off the ship. The movie is claiming that no one died during the incident.
 
Duncan Hills Coffee said:
Just wanna correct something because it's way fucking worse than that.

The octopus is actually trying to save those people and is trying to keep the boat from splitting.

It actually succeeds when it shows up in New York sometime later having saved everyone who couldn't make it off the ship. The movie is claiming that no one died during the incident.
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What do you expect from an Italian company that made a lot of their success off of blatant ripoffs of Disney movies animated in North Korea?
 
Duncan Hills Coffee said:
Now this I didn't know. What the fuck?
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Mondo TV outsourced the animation for a lot of their cartoons to North Korea's state animation studio. They held quite a bit of influence on the design as well. If you look at them they look like the stuff the studio turns out for domestic consumption.

They're not alone, of course. Other companies in France and Italy have outsourced their animation to North Korea since the 80s.
 
Duncan Hills Coffee said:
Pure insanity.

Also:


Now this I didn't know. What the fuck?
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North Korea often finds a way to get that much needed hard currency to fill Kim's Cognac cabinet, and European producers are more than willing to forego the obvious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEK_Studio
https://www.cinemaescapist.com/2018/06/short-history-north-korea-animation-sek/
https://www.rfa.org/english/korea/nkorea_cartoon-20061206.html
https://historyradio.org/2017/02/06/the-surprising-success-of-north-korean-animation/

For what it's worth, it's interesting what they could do.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
I take issue with the fact that for one, we know the Bolsheviks killed her, we have DNA evidence, so it's essentially outright ahistorical; and for two, the whole fact that it is perhaps the worst historical event to make into a movie like this. Even more so than Pocahontas, which was a master class in 90s Hollywood faux-progressivism.

If you know anything about Russian history your jaw drops when you see the film talk about how Rasputin used magic to cause discontent among the Russian people so they'd have a revolution... evidently we can't tell the kids that no magic was needed to make the Russians want to get rid of the tsar. Revolutions don't happen for no reason, after all.
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Honestly, the movie did make sense to me even knowing how historically wrong it was (having learned about Anastasia not long before the movie's release) because in the end it reflected a lot of the fantasies people had at the time. While Rasputin may not have actually had dark magic, the people in his time often thought he did have some sort of malevolent supernatural power. I mean, the guy was a lunatic false prophet who ran around acting in ways their society was generally not tolerant of (drunkenness, crudeness, lust and promiscuity, etc) and yet somehow had the Czar and his wife sucking his dick. I can certainly see why they thought he had some sort of infernal powers. And his position only increased public disapproval of the Czar that was tolerating him.
And the whole "Anastasia escaped!" plot was a reflection of the hopes of the people at the time, that Anastasia and her family somehow made it to safety. We now know that she didn't, but that wasn't discovered until 1991, only 6 years before the movie's release.

It was an attempt to turn a tragedy into a more palatable story. I mean, animated films do this shit all the time. Disney's Hercules is a prime example, since the actual story of Hercules (A bastard demigod fathered by an adulterous Zeus in the guise of Amphetrion, eventually driven to madness and the murder of his own family [twice in fact] and the fact that the man had a legendary temper and lust) was nearly completely unsuitable for children.
Fuck, in Snow White she never wakes up and the Dwarves keep her sealed in a crystal casket forever.
In Sleeping Beauty the prince basically rapes her while she sleeps.
These things make dismal stories by modern sensibilities, so we change them to suite our liking.
 
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