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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

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I really like Aladdin, but I have two problems with it.

1) Most of the plot revolves around Aladdin trying to hide from everyone that he's not a real prince. Except he IS a real prince; he wished to BE a prince not just look like one. So what's if Jasmine found out he was a street rat; he's a real prince now so the law applies to him.

2) The main plot of the movie revolves around the fact that Jasmine can only marry a real prince, and then at the end her father was just like "never mind, I'm Sultan so I'm changing it." So why didn't he do that before? He was acting for the entire movie that he couldn't do it (not that he didn't want to do it), and then at the end he just did it.

These are minor nitpicks though.
 
My favorite Disney movie is the original Toy Story if we're counting Pixar.

If we're sticking to the core animated canon, then I'd say Emperor's New Groove.

The early 2000's are typically seen as a low point for Disney, but I actually enjoyed Emperor's New Groove a lot.

Speaking of which, I'm wondering if Anastasia will ever be added to the Disney Princess lineup now that Disney owns 20th Century Fox?

Anastasia is one of my favorite childhood movies of all time, and I'd say it's one of the best "Disney Princess" movies despite the fact that it wasn't made by Disney.
 
Syaoran Li said:
My favorite Disney movie is the original Toy Story if we're counting Pixar.

If we're sticking to the core animated canon, then I'd say Emperor's New Groove.

The early 2000's are typically seen as a low point for Disney, but I actually enjoyed Emperor's New Groove a lot.

Speaking of which, I'm wondering if Anastasia will ever be added to the Disney Princess lineup now that Disney owns 20th Century Fox?

Anastasia is one of my favorite childhood movies of all time, and I'd say it's one of the best "Disney Princess" movies despite the fact that it wasn't made by Disney.
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Strange as Lilo and Stitch is probably my favorite Disney movie. Something about it resonates with me a lot more than a lot of Disney's other stuff for some reason. Emperor's New Groove you pretty much hear nothing but praise for on the internet, and I'm inclined to agree with it.

And yeah, Anastasia was really good. But really most of Don Bluth's stuff is pretty top tier. *cough* Most of it. *cough*
 
Overcast said:
Strange as Lilo and Stitch is probably my favorite Disney movie. Something about it resonates with me a lot more than a lot of Disney's other stuff for some reason. Emperor's New Groove you pretty much hear nothing but praise for on the internet, and I'm inclined to agree with it.

And yeah, Anastasia was really good. But really most of Don Bluth's stuff is pretty top tier. *cough* Most of it. *cough*
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Ehhhh... Started strong, ended weak as fuck.
 
Syaoran Li said:
My favorite Disney movie is the original Toy Story if we're counting Pixar.

If we're sticking to the core animated canon, then I'd say Emperor's New Groove.

The early 2000's are typically seen as a low point for Disney, but I actually enjoyed Emperor's New Groove a lot.
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The Emperor's New Groove stands out because it isn't a merchandise-driven soulless mess, the writing had a clear goal, and it manages to capture wholesome themes while stepping away from Typical Disney in terms of setting and structure.

Plus it takes everything great about the unique American comedic voice, and manages to distill it down to perfection. Awkwardness, slapstick, sarcasm, banter, even family sitcom humor; it's all there.

I fucking love that movie and watch it several times a year as an adult, mostly because of the novelty of how it's one of the few Disney films that I somehow don't feel cynical about.
 
Overcast said:
Which one?
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Start? Secret of NIMH, American Tail, even the first Land Before Time- pretty strong. End? Troll in Central Park, Pebble and the Peguin, Titan AE- pretty damn weak. Rock-a-Doodle and Thumbelina managed to be both weird and weak.

And "All Dogs Go To Heaven" was fucked up on sooooo many levels.
 
neverendingmidi said:
Start? Secret of NIMH, American Tail, even the first Land Before Time- pretty strong. End? Troll in Central Park, Pebble and the Peguin, Titan AE- pretty damn weak.
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I agree about Troll in Central Park and Pebble and the Penguin. (If I recall, Bluth ended up really disliking the latter) Titan AE admittedly I still have a soft spot for. But I guess that's mostly because of the soundtrack more so than the film itself.
 
Overcast said:
I agree about Troll in Central Park and Pebble and the Penguin. (If I recall, Bluth ended up really disliking the latter) Titan AE admittedly I still have a soft spot for. But I guess that's mostly because of the soundtrack more so than the film itself.
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I will admit Titan AE had an interesting concept. But it had, at best, Prequel Star Wars level of execution, at worst Sequel Star Wars execution.
 
Tour of Italy said:
The Emperor's New Groove stands out because it isn't a merchandise-driven soulless mess, the writing had a clear goal, and it manages to capture wholesome themes while stepping away from Typical Disney in terms of setting and structure.
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It's actually impressive they managed to change it from the passion-project Kingdom of the Sun to what they might have half-assed as Emperor's New Groove when the rug was pulled out from under them. I think they even said/admitted they didn't believe in the film afterwards, and were shocked when audiences liked it. While I think it'd be interesting to see what Kingdom of the Sun may have turned out to be (and The Road to El Dorado filled in the gaps, thankfully), I'm glad Emperor's New Groove exists. It and Shrek I think came out at the perfect time when it came to the style of humor and parody.
 
neverendingmidi said:
Start? Secret of NIMH, American Tail, even the first Land Before Time- pretty strong. End? Troll in Central Park, Pebble and the Peguin, Titan AE- pretty damn weak. Rock-a-Doodle and Thumbelina managed to be both weird and weak.

And "All Dogs Go To Heaven" was fucked up on sooooo many levels.
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Just about everything Bluth did in the 90s sucked. Even Anastasia. For some reason animated musicals based on real life historical figures (see also Pocahontas) are uniquely wrong.

Kari Kamiya said:
It's actually impressive they managed to change it from the passion-project Kingdom of the Sun to what they might have half-assed as Emperor's New Groove when the rug was pulled out from under them. I think they even said/admitted they didn't believe in the film afterwards, and were shocked when audiences liked it. While I think it'd be interesting to see what Kingdom of the Sun may have turned out to be (and The Road to El Dorado filled in the gaps, thankfully), I'm glad Emperor's New Groove exists. It and Shrek I think came out at the perfect time when it came to the style of humor and parody.
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The company didn't believe in it either. Disney did nothing to promote it, tried everything they could to bury it... yet it did better than the movies they wanted to be successful.
 
Overcast said:
Pebble and the Penguin. (If I recall, Bluth ended up really disliking the latter)
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I can't confirm if this is actually true or not, but supposedly the studio ordered extensive changes to the script, but wouldn't push back the release date so they had to rush to make something presentable for release. Which is why they didn't finish animating the water; it was less important than the character animation they had to redo.

neverendingmidi said:
even the first Land Before Time
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While the Land Before Time was also effected by edits (if fairly minor) it's reputation has been so thoroughly tarnished by the lousy direct-to-video sequels that have little to do with the first movie.

Steamboat_Bill said:
The company didn't believe in it either. Disney did nothing to promote it, tried everything they could to bury it... yet it did better than the movies they wanted to be successful.
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The Lion King could've almost been in the same situation, only they realized they had a major blockbuster on their hands when the test audiences reacted so positively to the unfinished movie and decided to prepare marketing and merchandise.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
It's actually impressive they managed to change it from the passion-project Kingdom of the Sun to what they might have half-assed as Emperor's New Groove when the rug was pulled out from under them. I think they even said/admitted they didn't believe in the film afterwards, and were shocked when audiences liked it. While I think it'd be interesting to see what Kingdom of the Sun may have turned out to be (and The Road to El Dorado filled in the gaps, thankfully), I'm glad Emperor's New Groove exists. It and Shrek I think came out at the perfect time when it came to the style of humor and parody.
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Emperor's New Groove was God-Tier Disney. Perfect acting, comedic timing, only one song that didn't stick around long enough to become overplayed or annoying.... Plus it had a very good message: Don't be a Narcissist. Oh, and instead of the heroes being wet behind the ears kids with dead parents, they were a spoiled prince and a relatable Dad with a healthy relationship with his family. No wonder Disney had no faith in it. A wholesome pro-family message and a largely un-toyetic cast of characters. Disney's top brass must've thought the animators had gone mad or something...

ENG could never be made today - on account of the fact that it's an exaggerated spoof of ancient MesoAmerica. You can't use a foreign culture in your fiction today unless you exhaustively research it, present it as accurately as possible, hire descendants of the original culture to act in it, then have a placard in the front of the movie apologizing for any inaccuracies or unintentional racism present within it. I've been watching some nineties movies recently and I'm shocked at how much politically incorrect shit they got away with (especially with movies like The Mummy from 1999.) No studio would ever greenlight that stuff today. Twitter truly has destroyed everything wholesome and good.
 
Syaoran Li said:
My favorite Disney movie is the original Toy Story if we're counting Pixar.

If we're sticking to the core animated canon, then I'd say Emperor's New Groove.

The early 2000's are typically seen as a low point for Disney, but I actually enjoyed Emperor's New Groove a lot.

Speaking of which, I'm wondering if Anastasia will ever be added to the Disney Princess lineup now that Disney owns 20th Century Fox?

Anastasia is one of my favorite childhood movies of all time, and I'd say it's one of the best "Disney Princess" movies despite the fact that it wasn't made by Disney.
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Toy Story is my overall favorite Disney related film as well.

And Emperor's New Groove is lovely.

Pokemonquistador2 said:
I've been watching some nineties movies recently and I'm shocked at how much politically incorrect shit they got away with (especially with movies like The Mummy from 1999.) No studio would ever greenlight that stuff today. Twitter truly has destroyed everything wholesome and good.
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And the irony is the 90s was seen as pretty politically correct at the time and it was compared to the 80s at least.

It seems like the more times goes on the more political correctness increases and it just makes everything worse.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
Just about everything Bluth did in the 90s sucked. Even Anastasia. For some reason animated musicals based on real life historical figures (see also Pocahontas) are uniquely wrong.
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As far as historical princesses go, you can't do better than Anastasia. Those fucking animals killed her so young she's essentially a blank canvas for the storyteller to paint on.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
As far as historical princesses go, you can't do better than Anastasia. Those fucking animals killed her so young she's essentially a blank canvas for the storyteller to paint on.
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I take issue with the fact that for one, we know the Bolsheviks killed her, we have DNA evidence, so it's essentially outright ahistorical; and for two, the whole fact that it is perhaps the worst historical event to make into a movie like this. Even more so than Pocahontas, which was a master class in 90s Hollywood faux-progressivism.

If you know anything about Russian history your jaw drops when you see the film talk about how Rasputin used magic to cause discontent among the Russian people so they'd have a revolution... evidently we can't tell the kids that no magic was needed to make the Russians want to get rid of the tsar. Revolutions don't happen for no reason, after all.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
I take issue with the fact that for one, we know the Bolsheviks killed her, we have DNA evidence, so it's essentially outright ahistorical; and for two, the whole fact that it is perhaps the worst historical event to make into a movie like this. Even more so than Pocahontas, which was a master class in 90s Hollywood faux-progressivism.

If you know anything about Russian history your jaw drops when you see the film talk about how Rasputin used magic to cause discontent among the Russian people so they'd have a revolution... evidently we can't tell the kids that no magic was needed to make the Russians want to get rid of the tsar. Revolutions don't happen for no reason, after all.
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It's why I thought the movie was garbage when it came out.
 
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