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I watched that 100 year anniversary short film they did with all the characters.

It was a fun little member berries showcase, but this really stood out to me. The 2D animated characters were way more fun to look at than the 3D ones. I guess I always felt that way, but it became more apparent watching them on screen together side by side. The 2D characters were more expressive and their colors were more vibrant and lively.
 
RumblyTumbly said:
I watched that 100 year anniversary short film they did with all the characters.

It was a fun little member berries showcase, but this really stood out to me. The 2D animated characters were way more fun to look at than the 3D ones. I guess I always felt that way, but it became more apparent watching them on screen together side by side. The 2D characters were more expressive and their colors were more vibrant and lively.
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That's because 3D characters from Disney movies look like they're from a PlayStation 4 game.

2D animation is so much harder to do, but it's worth it because the art stands out so much more.
 
The Colombians I know (mostly ex-pats) HATED Encanto. Something about cultural appropriation, taking very broad strokes of their culture but not understanding it at all.

You know, the usual Disney shit. That predates even this current woke-era junk.
 
Dixieland Buckaroo said:
The Colombians I know (mostly ex-pats) HATED Encanto. Something about cultural appropriation, taking very broad strokes of their culture but not understanding it at all.

You know, the usual Disney shit. That predates even this current woke-era junk.
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I think that’s generally the case with these sorts of things.

Arabs hated Aladdin for putting a princess in what was essentially a prostitute’s costume, on top of a handful of straight up racist lines.

Chinese people hated Mulan for what they considered ugly character design and a weird mix of historical features, as well as conflating Huns with Mongols.

Native Americans hated Pocahontas for its nitrous-injected Noble Savage bullshit.

They seem to have done a better job with Moana, although the handful of PIs I know prefer Lilo and Stitch as far as being a realistic treatment of Polynesians.
 
X-avier cuck said:
That's because 3D characters from Disney movies look like they're from a PlayStation 4 game.

2D animation is so much harder to do, but it's worth it because the art stands out so much more.
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I think the bigger part of it is all of the 2D characters were designed by artists. Yeah, they may have submitted their designs and been given notes or whatever, but the basic concept came from someone who actually wanted to create an engaging or interesting character.

Virtually all the 3-D ones come from committees - where they put together a list of traits (quirky!, Latina!, Ethnic!, Straight but Gay Ally!), and then turn that over to some tech team to put it together. It's backwards.

Interesting 3-D stuff is quite possible - look at Pixar or even old Dreamworks stuff, but it still needs to come from a place of creativity and art. When it's just a list of traits that you assemble to make your 'character,' it might as well be an AI engine doing it (and it very well may be in the near future), and you're just going to get a bland re-hashing of better and more interesting art.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
How was it co-opted by activists? I haven't heard about it doing anything more extreme than the usual dreck. The plot sounds like the same uninspired shit millenial writers keep churning out, and the only way for somewhat decent old timey 2D animation is AI.
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When Wish was being developed in 2018, and when it got announced last year, it was stated that it was about the origin story of "When You Wish Upon a Star". Which of course people were like "Wtf that's stupid, not everything needs an origin story", but it at least sounded like it would've been a nice callback to Disney's roots. Asha had not yet been described as an activist (or a "leader") until more stuff about it started coming out earlier this year.

We have to take their words for it about the emails' contents, but based on the artbook that we have seen that showed the Star was originally like a human prince and that the king and queen were both villains and BROWN like everyone else in the kingdom, it is extremely likely that this movie got co-opted by the activists who have infiltrated Disney and pushed out the veteran talent, most of whom left on their own accord because they didn't want to put up with their shit. And also keep in mind that in 2018, Lasseter was forcibly removed. Who else was there to replace him and all the talent who up and left following his departure? The current animators who can't animate animals anymore because they won't or can't be bothered to have resources to work off of.

Here, let me bring over these tweets of some Americanized childless Jap shitting on old white men sitting in a circle drawing a deer.
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These are the people currently employed in the animation industry. They don't give a shit about quality and hard work and improvement unless it's for their fap folders.
 
A Sentient Cloud said:
Arabs hated Aladdin for putting a princess in what was essentially a prostitute’s costume, on top of a handful of straight up racist lines.
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iirc doesn't the original story takes place in some bullshit made-up version of China?
Kari Kamiya said:
let me bring over these tweets
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Oh, so there's no excuse for it looking like shit? Okay, I was going to partially blame bad training and foundation but if this spaz wants to credit a weekend in Cancun or whatever fine, I guess YOU are the reason you can't draw
 
Kari Kamiya said:
When Wish was being developed in 2018, and when it got announced last year, it was stated that it was about the origin story of "When You Wish Upon a Star". Which of course people were like "Wtf that's stupid, not everything needs an origin story", but it at least sounded like it would've been a nice callback to Disney's root. Asha had not yet been described as an activist (or a "leader") until more stuff about it started coming out earlier this year.

We have to take their words for it about the emails' contents, but based on the artbook that we have seen that showed the Star was originally like a human prince and that the king and queen were both villains and BROWN like everyone else in the kingdom, it is extremely likely that this movie got co-opted by the activists who have infiltrated Disney and pushed out the veteran talent, most of whom left on their own accord because they didn't want to put up with their shit. And also keep in mind that in 2018, Lasseter was forcibly removed. Who else was there to replace him and all the talent who up and left following his departure? The current animators who can't animate animals anymore because they won't or can't be bothered to have resources to work off of.
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I'm kind of torn. 2018 was the beginning of the end of western media as something semi watchable. The heroine would have been in command because that was pretty much the status quo back then, and at best we would have had interracial romance or "diversity" where everyone is a shade of brown. At best the film could hace been more honest than the bizarre "fight the power" metaphor it turned out to be.
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
iirc doesn't the original story takes place in some bullshit made-up version of China?
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No, that's a meme-tier simplification of the extremely complicated history of the stories in 1001 Arabian Nights and a heinous oversimplification of the political geography of the Near East. The work was assembled over centuries by people from all over West and Central Asia and North Africa.

Anyway "some bullshit made-up version of China" comes off as lunkheaded dismissal that could just as easily apply to things people here care about. Do Grimm's Fairy Tales all take place in "some bullshit made-up version of Europe," and if so why do people get mad when black people get put in them? The Witcher takes place in "some bullshit made-up version of Early Modern Poland," The Iliad takes place in "some bullshit made-up version of Mycenaean Greece," so why bother having any respect for the source material's origins if it's all fake anyway? Does cultural history matter or doesn't it?
 
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A Sentient Cloud said:
No, that's a meme-tier simplification of the extremely complicated history of the stories in 1001 Arabian Nights and a heinous oversimplification of the political geography of the Near East. The work was assembled over centuries by people from all over West and Central Asia and North Africa.

Anyway "some bullshit made-up version of China" comes off as lunkheaded dismissal that could just as easily apply to things people here care about. Do Grimm's Fairy Tales all take place in "some bullshit made-up version of Europe," and if so why do people get mad when black people get put in them? The Witcher takes place in "some bullshit made-up version of Early Modern Poland," The Iliad takes place in "some bullshit made-up version of Mycenaean Greece," so why bother having any respect for the sources material's origins if it's all fake anyway? Does cultural history matter or doesn't it?
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lol calm down
I really don't give a shit about the Arabian Nights stories.
I recall that amazingly shit musical with Barry Botswik was China-ish
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Look at how bloated Wikipedia's part of the "critical response" to this film is. They're literally trying to make it look like this movie is just totally misunderstood.
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Not really Disney related beyond they tried to scrap the finished movie when they brought fox. Look up the sounds of freedom Wikipedia page. It reads like a disinformation campaign against the United nation reporting there more people enslaved by human trafficking than any point history. Wikipedia plot summary outright said saying there more slaves now than any point of history is a lie.
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Frozen: Infinite Winter and Frozen: End of Winter incoming.
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I swear. China and the Middle East markets the only thing stopping Disney from having the frozen sisters dyking each other.
 
Your Starter for 10 said:
When it's just a list of traits that you assemble to make your 'character,' it might as well be an AI engine doing it (and it very well may be in the near future), and you're just going to get a bland re-hashing of better and more interesting art.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they have been using AI for years now. If it's gotten to the point where regular people are able to use it for free, I don't see how a big company like Disney wouldn't have had this tech for a while now.

I think most shows or movies being bland nowadays helps support that they've been using it for years. For Christmas I wanted to get my brother an illstrated version of him and his dog in the style of his favorite show. The show is so bland and flat the AI had no issues recreating their image in that style
 
Your Starter for 10 said:
I think the bigger part of it is all of the 2D characters were designed by artists. Yeah, they may have submitted their designs and been given notes or whatever, but the basic concept came from someone who actually wanted to create an engaging or interesting character.

Virtually all the 3-D ones come from committees - where they put together a list of traits (quirky!, Latina!, Ethnic!, Straight but Gay Ally!), and then turn that over to some tech team to put it together. It's backwards.

Interesting 3-D stuff is quite possible - look at Pixar or even old Dreamworks stuff, but it still needs to come from a place of creativity and art. When it's just a list of traits that you assemble to make your 'character,' it might as well be an AI engine doing it (and it very well may be in the near future), and you're just going to get a bland re-hashing of better and more interesting art.
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That too.
Disney is more about checking off social cues than making characters nowadays.

What sucks is that Walt literally put his animators through art classes ( and even joined them) so they could be at their peak as artists, and that resulted in the Golden Age of Disney and the formation of the Nine Old Men.

3D in the long run has had a negative effect on the company, and they're even dipping their toes into AI
 
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