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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.5%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,087 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,577
Sinner's Sandwich said:
Note how Disney cared about losing money back then but now produces box office bomb after box office bomb and don't even think about changing.
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Acutally even that wasn't genuine back then. They used The Princess And The Frog as the go-to excuse for why 2d animation wasn't working anymore and claimed all the Pixar stuff was superior quality because it was 3d therefore it was making more money because thats what the audience wanted.

2D animation wasn't the problem. They just didn't want to put in the effort anymore. 2D animation, specifically REALLY GOOD 2d animation, is very time consuming, which means more money needed to be paid for said time. This was also around the time where big animation studios were getting rid of their traditional artists and setting their sights for CG shit, so Disney was just following the trend like everyone else.
 
The one that really caused Disney to go for a loop was the success of Shrek back in the day.

That film took direct shots at them and was basically made out of spite by Jeffrey Katzenberg, and its sequel was even bigger than the original.

IMHO, I think people were just fatigued of Disney because they dominated the box office for almost two decades with the Renaissance, so the ideas of seeing another princess singing about XYZ was unappealing to many at the time.

There's also times with the audience doesn't really know what they want and just appreciate things because they seem new on or radical at the time.

The live action Alice in wonderland for some reason made billions of dollars, and that kicked off the Disney live action train.
 
X-avier cuck said:
The live action Alice in wonderland for some reason made billions of dollars, and that kicked off the Disney live action train.
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You can argue it at least had an identity compared to what came after. It was Tim Burton's identity, but it's stylized and did its own thing.
 
X-avier cuck said:
The live action Alice in wonderland for some reason made billions of dollars, and that kicked off the Disney live action train.
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It was an emo girlboss 'sequal' and at its time decently unique for being a live action version of a cartoon with a whole different spin on it aimed mostly at teen girls who felt a bit too old for childrens cartoons, same with maleficent. Fantastical and with big budgets and cool designs but a but more grown up.

Edgy alternate takes on childrens media if often pretty big, I mean that's how we got shit like riverdale
 
X-avier cuck said:
The one that really caused Disney to go for a loop was the success of Shrek back in the day.

That film took direct shots at them and was basically made out of spite by Jeffrey Katzenberg, and its sequel was even bigger than the original.

IMHO, I think people were just fatigued of Disney because they dominated the box office for almost two decades with the Renaissance, so the ideas of seeing another princess singing about XYZ was unappealing to many at the time.

There's also times with the audience doesn't really know what they want and just appreciate things because they seem new on or radical at the time.

The live action Alice in wonderland for some reason made billions of dollars, and that kicked off the Disney live action train.
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Shrek buck breaking Disney would never stop being funny but I still think it was Pixar making mega bucks and being a media darling (a thing that the other 3D animation films always had a trouble with) that caused Disney to go with 3D.

Anyone knows why Disney stopped making animation films for boys? It was an incredibly brief period of great classics and then back to films for family/girls.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Anyone knows why Disney stopped making animation films for boys? It was an incredibly brief period of great classics and then back to films for family/girls.
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For the same reason why Hollywood stopped making movies for boys. But also I'm certain the women animators ("animators") had something to do with it.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Shrek buck breaking Disney would never stop being funny but I still think it was Pixar making mega bucks and being a media darling (a thing that the other 3D animation films always had a trouble with) that caused Disney to go with 3D.

Anyone knows why Disney stopped making animation films for boys? It was an incredibly brief period of great classics and then back to films for family/girls.
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I would say stuff was made more by the creatives and less by committee or activists. People who were there liked animation first and foremost.

We would need more of that, things would be better.
 
I do think they just need to go back to telling general stories.

Them trying to play to a more online crowd for brownie points never works because the former wants you to go over and beyond to validate their points which leaves your film feeling overbearing and stuffed with nonsense ( like Wish).

Big issue might be their musicals going forward, because contemporary sounding show tunes are what make up Broadway right now, so you're always going to be getting a more poppy soundtrack regardless of who's composing the music.
 
starborn427614 said:
I agree. There were a number of more personal films via Disney and Pixar (Soul, Turning Red, Luca etc.) and I think going back to fairy tales or legends would be best.
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What fairytale or legend would people here most like to see them adapt? I kind of want to see them do a spin on Rumpelstiltskin. It would even kind of work in that they could have a twist with letting Rumpelstiltskin be the hero.... because the king in that story was already the villain who forced a girl into marriage after demanding she satisfy his greed three times with a miracle on threat of death. Not really ideal husband material, would love to see him fall off a cliff and then Rumpelstiltskin can get the girl and the baby. Girls love monster boyfriends. Even if he's a short king, he can basically print money.

If they wanted to cater to global audiences, they could explore some tales from other countries.
 
Wish was made in about 3-4 months of actual animation time, nowhere near the time put in to a typical Disney classic animated film. The total budget was $250 million
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wish you luck
 
I feel like the first thing they need to do is to kill off these live action remixes once and for all.

These films are eating up budget that they really can't afford to be spending anymore.

TLM 2023, receive nothing but negative feedback, and barely made its money back.

Almost everyone came out of that film looking worse than they did before, before that we have the cinematic disaster piece that was Pinocchio.

All of the virtue signaling they use promoting The Little mermaid could have been used to actually give wish more development.
 
Escaped Abortion said:
What fairytale or legend would people here most like to see them adapt? I kind of want to see them do a spin on Rumpelstiltskin. It would even kind of work in that they could have a twist with letting Rumpelstiltskin be the hero.... because the king in that story was already the villain who forced a girl into marriage after demanding she satisfy his greed three times with a miracle on threat of death. Not really ideal husband material, would love to see him fall off a cliff and then Rumpelstiltskin can get the girl and the baby. Girls love monster boyfriends. Even if he's a short king, he can basically print money.

If they wanted to cater to global audiences, they could explore some tales from other countries.
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I was reading about some of their aborted projects, and one of them was a Rumpelstiltskin take called Uncle Stiltskin. It was going to be a sequel where he winds up "stealing" a kid with no family and finding that taking care of kids is really hard. And it's just like you said, he would have been from a tribe of misunderstood trolls.

https://variety.com/2003/film/markets-festivals/mouse-sez-uncle-to-pitch-1117888812/

Of the synopses I read, this is one of the few that had a good elevator pitch. I also learned Brenda Chapman and Roger Allers were working on a Tam Lin adaptation, which I would have loved. Eisner killed it just because Roy Disney liked it.
 
Escaped Abortion said:
What fairytale or legend would people here most like to see them adapt? I kind of want to see them do a spin on Rumpelstiltskin. It would even kind of work in that they could have a twist with letting Rumpelstiltskin be the hero.... because the king in that story was already the villain who forced a girl into marriage after demanding she satisfy his greed three times with a miracle on threat of death. Not really ideal husband material, would love to see him fall off a cliff and then Rumpelstiltskin can get the girl and the baby. Girls love monster boyfriends. Even if he's a short king, he can basically print money.

If they wanted to cater to global audiences, they could explore some tales from other countries.
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King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table would work. Tie it into Sword and the Stone if need be, same Merlin and Arthur. Jeff Bennett's still around to voice Merlin so people will have a familiar voice to lean on.
 
X-avier cuck said:
The one that really caused Disney to go for a loop was the success of Shrek back in the day.

That film took direct shots at them and was basically made out of spite by Jeffrey Katzenberg, and its sequel was even bigger than the original.
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It's funny how Shrek shat on Disney so thoroughly that they are still scared to this day of making more traditional fairy-tale films. All of their modern princess movies need to have some sort of subversion of traditional fairy-tale tropes.
 
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