Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[A Sentient Cloud]

The idea that there's nothing in theatre for men is just laughably incorrect.

I see so many of these "the sky is red, bears shit in the ocean, the Pope is Buddhist" takes on the internet and it honestly makes me wonder how many people just never leave the house, ever. "There are no movies for men"? Just looking at the nearest movie theaters to me I see two separate horror movies, some high concept Nic Cage thing called Dream Scenario, some action schlock called The Shift, a prestige drama starring Paul Giamatti as a disgruntled teacher at an all-boys school, a new Godzilla movie, Killers of the Flower Moon, and fucking Napoleon. Outside of the theater, that Lady Ballers movie from Daily Wire is coming out today. Men are being marketed to from a thousand different angles, what planet are these people living on?

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

Something major happened to make them jump ship to Disney's biggest rival.

If i had to guess some woman executive got promoted and treated them like shit for being old white men, so they jumped. If you followed the production of Luck, the first film released from skydance animaiton after John Lasseter was hired, a fuck load of women tried destroying the film because they didn't like Lasseter becoming head of production. the then head of distribution for paramount (a woman) got the film dropped by the studio and the lead actress jumped ship. The director also left the film over it. Just in general throughout corporate history affirmative action hires always get promoted and then try to toss out the older or veteran employees to make way for their friends or at least people that look a lot more like them. It doesn't matter to them if it leads to the corporation being destroyed as long as their ideology is rightfully promoted. You can see this in Budlight and other corporations throughout history. I've even seen it happen in resturants and small businesses. Overall, they clearly jumped for good reason, considering how much every other studio's animated films seem to do better than it at the box office or award season.

I see so many of these "the sky is red, bears shit in the ocean, the Pope is Buddhist" takes on the internet and it honestly makes me wonder how many people just never leave the house, ever. "There are no movies for men"? Just looking at the nearest movie theaters to me I see two separate horror movies, some high concept Nic Cage thing called Dream Scenario, some action schlock called The Shift, a prestige drama starring Paul Giamatti as a disgruntled teacher at an all-boys school, a new Godzilla movie, Killers of the Flower Moon, and fucking Napoleon. Outside of the theater, that Lady Ballers movie from Daily Wire is coming out today. Men are being marketed to from a thousand different angles, what planet are these people living on?

we mean big budget block busters, streaming movies and indie dramas don't count. neither do foreign films. As for Napoleon or the redskin film they did do better than expected at the box office but as reviews will tell you they're not exactly anti-woke. Where's the Atlantis or Titan AE or Treasure Planet of this decade?

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

we mean big budget block busters, streaming movies and indie dramas don't count. neither do foreign films. As for Napoleon or the redskin film they did do better than expected at the box office but as reviews will tell you they're not exactly anti-woke. Where's the Atlantis or Titan AE or Treasure Planet of this decade?

Why don't they "count"? Why does every movie need to pass some bizarre purity test and have a huge budget before you deign it to be worth seeing? I'm guessing you haven't actually watched Napoleon or "the redskin film" (Martin Scorsese is like the greatest living filmmaker and literally only makes movies about men) seeing as you only cite reviews of them. Maybe give them a chance before deeming them shit because you've decided ahead of time that they don't align with your values.

The three animated movies you mentioned were Hiroshima-level bombs, so....

 

[Get the rope Macaulay!]

The three animated movies you mentioned were Hiroshima-level bombs,

According to the critical drinker and other anti-woke youtubers those are amazing films, unlike modern day films therefore it doesn't matter if they're a good reason why disney doesn't make shit that isn't DIE filled we have to worship them as the baseline for good animated films.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

According to the critical drinker and other anti-woke youtubers those are amazing films, unlike modern day films therefore it doesn't matter if they're a good reason why disney doesn't make shit that isn't DIE filled we have to worship them as the baseline for good animated films.

Oh, you're a retard. My apologies, sir.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

i don't consider non-whites to be people. so a film franchise for our inferiors doesn't factor in at all. Also by male oriented literally look at iron man 1 vs Thor 4 in terms of how the men and women are presented and act. Same with GOT season 3 vs season 8.

I'm a level 9 racist and even I can comfortably say that you're a retard.

You not considering them people does not invalidate the point he made that male centered movies do in fact sell. The fast and furious franchise is one of the few franchises that even exist ontop of lasting this long.

 

[verissimus]

Have they reached the bottom of the barrel?

They won't have reached the bottom of the barrel until they've "remade" all the Disney animated movies during their renaissance period.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

According to the critical drinker

Why don't you give media a chance and actually watch it instead of taking some Youtuber as gospel?

 

[ShitLurker]

Warner Bros. sabotaged that movie's marketing, only to regret it years later--probably because Brad Bird got big tbh (but home video sales helped, too, plus Cartoon Network's Thanksgiving marathon), and he's on the record saying he'll never work for them again because of how much he fought them during production.

Would like some extra deets on how they fucked with the Iron Giant, that movie was a gem and it's really sad it never got the proper recognition it deserved.

Because they are floundering terribly, and just wanted to put another Spidey book out for sales.

Kurt Wagner is "The Uncanny Spider-Man" for a little while, then it will be forgotten/ignored.

Amazing Spider-Man dropped to 90k sales for the first time in history, and they are doing at least one Spider-centric event crossover a year now (the next one has the creative name of "Gang War").

But... but... what is the retarded excuse for Kurt to do that? does nobody notice the freaky gargoyle feet and 3 fingered hands?

Well, because both Musker and Clements abruptly left Disney shortly after Wish's production began, and are now working on a movie at Warner Bros., co-produced by Dreamworks. These guys were absolute Disney lifers. Something major happened to make them jump ship to Disney's biggest rival.

Is anything known about this project from Warner Bros?

And about the whole "they only pander to wahmen" discussion. It's a bit of column A and a bit of column B. Women are more susceptible to advertisement, there's a reason more and more commercials are targeted at them directly "bumbling man, competent wahmen saves day with PRODUCT!" though there are niches that are still very much male centered, you are a lot more likely to get a man to be extra retarded and get a new car every few years than a woman (another rift since woman want utility/ease of use and men want power/coolness in the stereotypical patterns) and the people constantly upgrading their phones each year are more men than women.

When it comes to media though, outside of purely retarded takes like "HEY, LETS FUCKING MAKE STAR WARS PANDER TO WOMEN" that come purely out of lunatics that wish to push their bullshit onto others, the rest of the time it's a random scramble to try and tap into what will catch the most eyes. Super heroes were the big thing for a decade, seems obvious to me that the first batch were very much male dominated and they started to shift them to be more "sensitive" to draw in the females, this has had mixed results since the males have dropped out of pure apathy and the females never came in with enough numbers to compensate for that.

Then you have the other side like the person that mentioned romcoms. A classic female genre where they drag their dudes for a cute time. Those seem to be DEAD right now when it used to be a staple. Hell, leaving aside the feminist rot, outside of Barbie, what targeted women as a demographic and actually succeeded? I'm not talking about 45% male 55% female attendance, I'm talking honest to god blow out from the ladies while the men either got dragged in or passed. Nothing really comes to mind. I guess the disney stuff would fall into this, maybe the earlier real life shit like Maleficent, but even though the retarded progs and ESG stooges may want to push certain shit, it doesn't actually translate to the viewings they expect. That Disney basically has accepted it has no fucking idea on how to pander to male interests outside of Marvel movies and it's already losing them doesn't mean they are hitting home runs with the ladies either is what I'm getting at.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

And about the whole "they only pander to wahmen" discussion.

Men are 50% of the population. Women are 50% of the population. The “pandering” occurs in equal measure. You just notice it more when you *aren’t* the person being pandered to.

I'm not talking about 45% male 55% female attendance, I'm talking honest to god blow out from the ladies while the men either got dragged in or passed.

Taylor Swift’s Eras Tour and Beyoncé’s Renaissance Tour both were released theatrically and have been massive events. Audiences are almost exclusively female.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Would like some extra deets on how they fucked with the Iron Giant, that movie was a gem and it's really sad it never got the proper recognition it deserved.

The story is less Warner interference and more WB's poor handling of animation. WB gave Brad close to full control of the project as they were fairly open to trying out a new film to get their struggling animation brand to succeed. The issue with Warner was marketing. Posters and such were supposed to go out a year or so before premier, yet they failed to meet that. The ADs and other materials were not coming out on time and thus the movie launched with no one knowing of its existence.

This issue was not exclusive to Iron Giant. Batman: Mask of The Phantasm was quickly rushed out from direct to DVD to theatre with little time for marketing, creating a bomb out of what should have been an easy success. Quest for Camelot was also screwed in marketing as materials were not out, amongst the film's quality. Later Osmosis Jones and Looney Tunes Back in Action would also suffer from delayed/poor marketing. The only success was Space Jam, and that was likely due to there already being commercials prior to the film's inception along with Michael Jordan.

Here is a good video on the subject:

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Allegedly Chris Gore has some anonymous leaks form some Disney animators.

 

[AnsemSoD1]

WE NEED TO KILL ALL WOMEN AND ASSUME OUR RIGHTFUL PLACE AS GODS. ONLY MEN CAN LOVE MEN, WE ARE THE REAL WOMEN IN THAT SENSE.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

If loving men is what it takes to get good new movies I'll just keep watching old ones.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

Allegedly Chris Gore has some anonymous leaks form some Disney animators.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=JITe5BGehc0

For those who don't want to listen to 20 minutes of lead-up and hedging for 5 minutes worth of tea: The animation work was the result of crunch (60 hour weeks over three months, half the production time of Strange World), the animators weren't treated as well as they had been in the past (catered lunches instead of GrubHub passes, the horror), lots of freelancers, a bloated layer of middle management that ate up a lot of the budget, John Lasseter was fired for years of drunken sexual harassment that Fauxhawk up there very much downplays, resulting in one unnamed employee suggesting that the new leader be a woman, which could have been the reason for the current DEI hires and policies.

Basically nothing that we couldn't guess, and they're acting like they're going to be lined up against the wall and shot if they name names, as if you can't find a hundred YouTube channels right this minute taking Disney to task for their wokery. Lame clickbait IMO.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

resulting in one unnamed employee suggesting that the new leader be a woman, resulting in heavy DEI hires and policies.

they're acting like they're going to be lined up against the wall and shot if they name names,

Considering how nepotistic the animation industry is, those fears may not be as unfounded as you think.

 

[A Sentient Cloud]

Considering how nepotistic the animation industry is, those fears may not be as unfounded as you think.

Oh please. I just looked up Film Threat, these are two fiftysomething men running a small fanzine that's been around in some form since 1996. They have 100k subscribers on YouTube, less than a tenth the subscribers of channels like YMS, RedLetterMedia, even Lindsay Ellis, all of whom have taken Disney to task far more vehemently than they're doing. These dudes are the smallest of potatoes.

The claims of being contacted by "major media companies" sound like self-aggrandizing bullshit, honestly.

 

[Solomon Bundy]

But... but... what is the retarded excuse for Kurt to do that? does nobody notice the freaky gargoyle feet and 3 fingered hands?

During the "Fall of X" event, the anti-mutant organization Orchis bombed the Hellfire Gala, leaving most mutants missing or dead. Anti-mutant hysteria has picked up again, and Nightcrawler relocated to New York and disguises himself. People notice his feet and hands, but since he's wearing a mask he's just another freak with a mask. He also openly uses his teleportation and the Soulsword from Limbo. X-Men has been fucking shit since Hickman left, and an argument can be made his Krakoa storyline (once he left and Marvel's editors took control) ruined the entire X-franchise for a generation or two. This is the era where Cyclops and Marvel Girl (yeah Jean's back to that codename) are in an open relationship with Wolverine, and he has his own adjoining bedroom with theirs. This is why the comic book industry is collapsing.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

The live action Alice in wonderland for some reason made billions of dollars, and that kicked off the Disney live action train.

It came out in 2010, around the big period for Hot Topic. Included in that is the love for Tim Burton (Nightmare Before Christmas was the hottest thing around then) which was a driving force towards the movie's success.

Anyone knows why Disney stopped making animation films for boys? It was an incredibly brief period of great classics and then back to films for family/girls.

They never got a massive audience for those films like the girl ones. Their bread-n-butter was princess stories and musicals, and if not that, usually cute characters that can sell marketable plushies. The Disney Renaissance was their best period and it was majority female-oriented films between Little Mermaid, Beauty and The Beast, Aladdin and Lion King. The 2010s was another success period, which again, was majority female-films with Tangled, Frozen, Moana and arguably Zootopia, while Ralph and Big Hero 6 were sort of sidelined and didn't do as well. Disney Channel was another solidifier as it was the girl brands that kept the channel a float and propelled them into beating Nickelodeon back in the 00s.

Disney never seemed to understand how to mass appeal to boys. Their general style was too safe to make any real gains, especially when the competition for boy's media in the animation industry and larger entertainment was so fierce between the 80s-2000s. Girls were easy given the musical nature and lack of general content from competition. With boys, Disney gets slaughtered as they compete with Warner, Mattel, and later Nickelodeon. Mickey got too sterile to take on Bugs and SpongeBob, while the company was too family-oriented to create anything akin to the DCAU in terms of darkness and action, beside kind-of Gargoyles. Disney lacks edge, all their male leads were too wide-eyed and inoffensive to leave lasting impressions in the same vein as a Batman or Shrek.

Unpopular-opinion, Star Wars was arguably the perfect Disney boys film. It understood how to create a modern fairy tale-like story that appealed to a primarily male audience. It was a Disney hero's journey, but they did away with the musical and romance (besides Solo scoring) completely. They also didn't shy away from the brutality and action, having characters get sliced, choked, blasted, burned and eaten. Then there is Darth Vader who has all the traits of classic myth villains, but updated to make him redeemable and more interesting by the end. Disney could never recreate the magic that very much felt like it aped off them. Even when they tried with Tron, they still failed to fully understand Star Wars.

the Beevis and Butthead revivial in the 2010s was a ratings juggernaut and they still canceled it because that male demo isn't good for advertisers anymore.

MTV was not the channel they used to be and B&B's era was long gone. Old fans didn't want to come back and the show didn't mesh with nu-MTV to be relevant.

But it is sort of hilarious how every cartoon for boys flopped super hard in theaters and became a cult classic later on.

Shrek? Or really all of DreamWorks?

The films flopped as they were mostly built by newbies who were inexperienced dealing in the industry or companies close to death. Disney had a monopoly on animation till DreamWorks. WB was too unprepared to market films beyond Space Jam and Bluth was nearing death's door after doing a lot of Disney-like slop that killed any investment.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

The live action Alice in wonderland for some reason made billions of dollars, and that kicked off the Disney live action train.

I can think of two reasons why Alice in Wonderland remake made 1B at the box office in 2010:

1. It came out in March 2010, right as Avatar began a 3D resurgence. This time, 2D movies would be converted to 3D in post production (which Alice did).
2. It was banking off of Johnny Depp's star power in paying eccentric characters and Tim Burton's style.

As you can see with the 2016 sequel, no one actually gave a shit about the Alice movie. It was a lightning-in-a-bottle conditions that couldn't be replicated. This is why I doubt the Mufasa Lion King movie will see a fraction of the success TLK remake made.