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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,578
RX-78 said:
The guy sounds like he has legitimate coomer brain and has to shove his fetishes into material meant for kids, which the editors at the time were either ok with or too retarded to notice.
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He kept it as mainly subtext, nothing kids would really notice. It's one of those thing that you go back to as an adult and realize how weird it was.
RX-78 said:
>Nightcrawler is half-something
Is being a mutant just not cool enough any more with all the Z-list x-men marvel shits out like Maggot? I'm dead certain that the comic is already too convoluted to ever need to include christian demons into the mix.
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Charles Xavier was engaged to the Empress of the Shi'ar Empire, Cyclops' dad is a space pirate, Colossus' sister Illyana was a demon sorceress, and Dracula tried to make Storm one of his brides.
It's comics, don't worry about it.
RX-78 said:
I've heard of wonder woman's creator being deep into bondage and that's why she gets the rope and I'm vaguely aware of of john byrne turning into a cow around the time he started working on superman, but I'm oblivious to who the others even are.
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William Marston had a lot of fetishes, and was part of one of the few functional polycules I can think of. He actually inserted so much bondage into his comics that even in the 40's it was suspicious and they asked him to turn it down:
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Link (I know, CBR, but Brian Cronin's actually pretty good with pop culture trivia)
"Cut down the use of chains at least 50 to 75%"
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As for Steve Ditko, he was a hardcore Objectivist who didn't believe in moral ambiguity and hated hippies and anything illogical:
Despite the growing popularity of his comics, Ditko was not content. By the mid-1960s, tension had developed between Lee and Ditko. Lee had withheld from Ditko proper credit for the stories and characters that he had originated. But more important, Ditko’s ideas about the very essence of their work had evolved. Lee maintained the Greek mythological view that all heroes have an Achilles’ heel: a tragic flaw that eventually leads to their demise. This was unacceptable to Ditko, who had come to hold that art should portray the ideal—man at his best. He wanted to create a comic book hero like none ever seen before, one who was morally consistent and philosophically grounded.

So he left Marvel in 1966 and, the following year, created a new character: The Question, published by Charlton Comics. Wearing a featureless mask fused to his face by a chemical gas, The Question’s primary power resided in knowing what is right and choosing to act on that knowledge. Unlike other characters, he held no contradictions and thus, he was not wracked by inner conflict. In one of The Question’s most famous scenes, he kicks two criminals into the city sewer system. When they beg for mercy, he tells the rats that they are sewage and deserve what they get, refusing to help.

The Question’s ruthless justice was unheard of. The editors at Charlton feared pressure from the Comics Code Authority. The series lasted only five issues under Ditko’s pen. Years later when DC Comics bought out Charlton, they revived The Question, but the newer, sarcastic, zen-like character lacked Ditko’s sense of justice.

Ditko never looked back. He now knew that bringing his creative vision to life required an independent publisher. He chose Wallace Wood’s witzend as the platform for his next creation: Mr. A. Unlike other comic heroes, Mr. A. had no superpowers. He crusaded against the underworld of criminals armed with nothing but a pair of metal gloves, a steel mask, and an unmitigated commitment to justice.

This last was fully demonstrated in Mr. A.’s introductory story, in which Ditko also violated the Comics Code’s prohibition on excessive violence. On the first page, a teenager named Angel robs a jewelry store and then clubs a cop to death. Next, he stabs his accomplice as well as his bleeding-heart teacher, Miss Kinder, who feels sorry for him because he never had a chance. Mr. A. knocks Angel off a roof, leaving him hanging on a flagpole. Miss Kinder pleads with Mr. A. to save Angel, but he carries her away to safety, leaving Angel to fall to his death.5
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Mr. A was basically a Chick Tract for atheists:
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And yes, Rorshach in Watchmen was a pretty obvious combo of the Question and Mr. A (with a speaking pattern taken from, of all things, Herbie the Fat Fury).
Regarding Mark Waid: He was a good writer, but he's gotten crazier and more liberal over the years. Also, someone posted this scan of an interview from their copy of We Told You So: An Oral History of Fantagraphics Books, which isn't very flattering.
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Terrifik said:
Question also did they Ritcon colossus being Russia gay or he just bisexual.
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Wait, wasn't that just Ultimate Colossus? Did they decide to make 616 Colossus gay too?
 

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@Coo Coo Bird fantastic posts, I always love learning or refreshing myself on comic trivia!

What's funny on Chuck Austen is the one exception to his shitstain of a career was an Ultimate Gambit story where Remy saves a kid from Tombstone that everyone agreed was absolutely fun. Somehow, in spite of the odds, he just threw out the perfect one-and-done story.
 
Michael Wade said:
I think they had some bullshit bout him dying coming back and becoming atheist because he didn't see anything or some bullshit.
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Except that doesn't work as God (the capital G version, not some advanced alien), Satan, Heaven, Hell, ghosts, goblins (not just the green kind) all exist in the Marvel Universe. Hell, The Fantastic Four visited God to get Ben Grimm back! I know the people writing this shit don't read comics, but they can at least skim over the wiki once in a while.
 
Mayor Cody Travers said:
What's funny on Chuck Austen is the one exception to his shitstain of a career was an Ultimate Gambit story where Remy saves a kid from Tombstone that everyone agreed was absolutely fun. Somehow, in spite of the odds, he just threw out the perfect one-and-done story.
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Chuck Austen's stuff is bad enough you find yourself trying to find nice things to say about it. Like, Juggernaut was pretty likeable in his run. His Strips comic actually was a pretty decent mix of porn and relationship drama, maybe that's why Marvel decided he'd be a good fit for X-Men? But then they left him to do whatever he wanted, leading to weird crap like the "Mutants can't get AIDS" retcon.

That wasn't the last time they'd hire a porn writer though, they hired Sam Humphries on the strength of his self-published Our Love Is Real comic, featuring bestiality and crystal sex:
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Comicvine summary:
In a futuristic society, five years after the development of a successful AIDS vaccine, a number of subcultures have arisen centered around sexual attraction to various categories of nonhumans. Vegisexuals, zoosexuals, and mineralsexuals all have their own cultural viewpoints and agendas, with some being more mainstream than others. The narrator of the story, Officer Jok, even gets mocked by other law-enforcers when he appears to be harboring heterosexual feelings toward a human female. Cultural clashes ensue providing a backdrop against which Officer Jok struggles as he realizes his own feelings pull him toward crossing the elaborate but strictly-defined status quo he is supposed to protect.
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Can't really say much about Humphries one way or another. Came onto the scene about when I was peacing out of modern comics, and nothing he wrote really seems to stand out to me.
 
 
agree on this point why?
the story is over you are dead unless say your fay spirt lived after whole went evil stick .
should of been Jafar movie.
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Coo Coo Bird said:
And yes, Rorshach in Watchmen was a pretty obvious combo of the Question and Mr. A (with a speaking pattern taken from, of all things, Herbie the Fat Fury).
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Alan Moore probably thought he was real clever only to seethe when people found Rorschach to be the only likable character exactly because Ditko's world view is not a depressing pro elitist/commie variation.

Though I do agree with Lee that heroes needs a flaw. Modern media is filled with mary sues.
 
Mexican_Wizard_711 said:
@Coo Coo Bird why are comicbook writers such lolcows?
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There's many less people involved in making a comic than other kinds of entertainment. Some are even produced entirely by one person. This means that comics are a lot less designed by committee, and the main concern is if your work sells and if you turn it in on time. So you can be a huge weirdo as long as you're punctual-it's only recently that people have gotten fired for political beliefs or harassment.

And most of them grew up reading comics, too, so being able to make your fanfiction canon is a real possibility. You can find future comic book writers in letter columns sometimes.
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The only people reigning them in normally are editors, and they can be lolcows too. Bill Jemas was an editor and the president of Marvel comics at the time he got into a slapfight with Peter David and ended up writing the notoriously bad Marville. And Jim Shooter hated Ms. Marvel and wanted her written out, which led to the infamous Avengers issue where she gets pregnant and gives birth to her rapist who she then marries.
 
Oilspill Battery said:
I mean, big hero six didn't have a wife, neither did the sheep from zootopia, the bad guy from up, the guy from frozen... I can't think of any.
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I was really thinking of the guy from Frozen, but I must've mixed things up with something else, there is so much content that it sometimes just blends together for me.
 
I really feel like Wish has become Disney's version of Velma.

I can't even go to my YouTube feed without seeing at least dozens of videos critiquing various aspects of it.
 
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