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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.5%
  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%
  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,087 68.9%

  • Total voters
    1,577
Maybe if they released these "underperforming" movies into the cinema instead of dumping them on Disney Plus they would've garnered a bigger audience. It's impossible to tell if they're throwing these films under the bus due to their own mistakes or if there's really data to suggest people prefer said commonality as a result.
 
Maybe if they released these "underperforming" movies into the cinema instead of dumping them on Disney Plus they would've garnered a bigger audience. It's impossible to tell if they're throwing these films under the bus due to their own mistakes or if there's really data to suggest people prefer said commonality as a result.
If they never release to cinemas, then chuddy YouTubers can’t gloat that they bombed. Optics are more important than money.
 
they're too personalized and that they feel like $200+ million-dollar therapy session for the director
I notice the therapy element in a lot of modern writing, where the characters are not required to change; they are required to be validated. There's wish fulfillment going on where the writer wants a particular resolution to a parent/child conflict that only allows for the parent to apologize. It's not just that the writers feel entitled to work out their issues in their art, it's that they set it up LIKE a therapy session, where one party is just there to listen. The writing process could round it out; like, A Goofy Movie is also about complex family dynamics and isn't afraid to show adult perspectives on things, but all the characters are equally dynamic and flawed and affect the story. Everyone matures and errs, and you don't get the sense that the writers resent the characters or the way they handle things.
 
I notice the therapy element in a lot of modern writing, where the characters are not required to change; they are required to be validated. There's wish fulfillment going on where the writer wants a particular resolution to a parent/child conflict that only allows for the parent to apologize. It's not just that the writers feel entitled to work out their issues in their art, it's that they set it up LIKE a therapy session, where one party is just there to listen. The writing process could round it out; like, A Goofy Movie is also about complex family dynamics and isn't afraid to show adult perspectives on things, but all the characters are equally dynamic and flawed and affect the story. Everyone matures and errs, and you don't get the sense that the writers resent the characters or the way they handle things.
The worst part is that it isn't even "therapy", its just unresolved immaturity and narcissism by being incapable of comprehending that parents are not perfect people and that sometimes they have to do things kids don't like to help them grow out of that immaturity and narcissism into better people.

Turning red is a perfect example because, while Asian Tiger mom's do put a lot of pressure on their children to be "prefect", their children tend to come out of it as rather functional members of society (most of the time because Turning Red's creator sure as fuck didn't). And it further reflects how much these parents actually care about their child by being so hard on them, because they care enough in the first place to be hard on them and give that much attention to their general performance. Try going to the fucking hood and finding a parent who cares enough about their own child to even know where they are at any given hour, you would have better luck finding flying pigs.

There was fucking none of that in the film, no understanding or perspective from the other side beyond the "cycle" of Asian tiger moms, and of course everything was simply the mother and the "cycles" fault. Its the same for all the other dreck that Pixar has pumped out for almost a fucking decade.
 
Turning red is a perfect example because, while Asian Tiger mom's do put a lot of pressure on their children to be "prefect", their children tend to come out of it as rather functional members of society (most of the time because Turning Red's creator sure as fuck didn't). And it further reflects how much these parents actually care about their child by being so hard on them, because they care enough in the first place to be hard on them and give that much attention to their general performance.
Asian culture puts a lot of importance on reputation and conformity. Asian parents are hard on their kids because they want to keep up appearances and not become gossip or "rock the boat" in the community. They might love their children, but they put societal expectations over their children's needs first, and that's become more and more obvious that it's not working with the current generation for whatever reason. Maybe it's the West's fault, maybe it's just the end result of an industrialized society, who knows.

Besides, the Chinese are literal bugmen with no souls, Mao made sure of that.
 
Asian culture puts a lot of importance on reputation and conformity. Asian parents are hard on their kids because they want to keep up appearances and not become gossip or "rock the boat" in the community. They might love their children, but they put societal expectations over their children's needs first, and that's become more and more obvious that it's not working with the current generation for whatever reason. Maybe it's the West's fault, maybe it's just the end result of an industrialized society, who knows.

Besides, the Chinese are literal bugmen with no souls, Mao made sure of that.
It can seem that way as some Asian countries have a history of generational punishment (parents are punished alongside their children for the crines their children commit) and that's a hard learned history lesson that's difficult to forget. Most countries like China and Japan place very high importance on reputation, and a person that was unruly as a child may forever hold a black mark that keeps the child ostracized well into their childhood. The "no repercussions, no responsibilities" movement is a fairly new thing which has led to all sorts of damage to the social framework that is actively breaking down. The current culture of letting naive children do whatever they want is highly unsustainable as these children have yet to learn why things are done the way they are, like why it's a bad thing to publically declare yourself a woman and chop off your dick.
 
I didn’t like how Turning Red played such a positive spin on Mei commodifying her panda body for attention and money. The worst offender is when the film ends with Mei’s family opening up the temple and Mei being the star attraction, thus stripping a place of sanctity and honor and turning it into another empty tourist attraction. Could you imagine if the temple was instead a church?

Turning Red is a film that immediately feels like it was made by a child or grandchild of immigrants who is deeply resentful of the cultural practices they grew up with. I can understand why a film like it was made but the message it’s trying to convey still feels so…wrong. Basically, it’s okay to turn yourself into a product if it gives you positive attention, and your family is just ignorant and backwards for trying to rein you in. If this film took place in the 2010’s, during the advent of social media and OnlyFans, would it still preach the same values?

A good movie can take place whenever/wherever and still reach broad appeal, because good storytelling is timeless. This is a film that was made for a very specific audience who grew up during a very specific time period, even if it deals with the topic of puberty. It’s a poor idea for a Pixar film, it should have been made by an independent studio, but even then it wouldn’t have rescued it from its faulty messaging.
 
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Turning Red is a film that immediately feels like it was made by the child or grandchild of immigrants who is deeply resentful of the cultural practices they grew up with. I can understand why a film like it was made but the message it’s trying to convey still feels so…wrong. Basically, it’s okay to turn yourself into a product if it gives you positive attention, and your family is just ignorant and backwards for trying to rein you in. If this film took place in the 2010’s, during the advent of social media and OnlyFans, would it still preach the same values?
It's interesting how pampered children of minority have their own "fuck you mom and dad for making me go to church on Sunday". In the Christian case you'd usually just have people claim atheism and be massive degenerates. In the minority case they still want to be considered as this minority, since their entire career is based on it, so they basically try to subvert their own history and culture to align with progressive values, which is arguably worse.
 
It's interesting how pampered children of minority have their own "fuck you mom and dad for making me go to church on Sunday". In the Christian case you'd usually just have people claim atheism and be massive degenerates. In the minority case they still want to be considered as this minority, since their entire career is based on it, so they basically try to subvert their own history and culture to align with progressive values, which is arguably worse.
Tho atheism does dive deep into corrupting Christian mythology in order to get some semblance of tradition and symbology. The upside down cross is the cross of St.Peter, and goth is basically Memento Mori.
 
I will admit I have never been to any Disney theme park, so I wanted to ask people who have- was Splash Mountain this slow and meandering
Oh Hell no. When I went to Disneyland as a kid it was one of my favorite rides. It was considerably shorter for one thing, plus Splash Mountain actually had a villain (The Fox) from the film pop up throughout the ride and act as a considerable threat towards Brer Rabbit. When you were ascending before the drop you were surrounded by the Fox’s antagonizing laughter. It was great.

I imagine the animatronics by the 2010’s were looking pretty outdated though, so when they announced that it was going to be converted to Tiana’s Bayou Adventure I was okay with that. I thought they were gonna keep the actual ride but just add a new story with new animatronics, and expected Dr. Fuciller to be a big part of the attraction.

I had no idea they were going to change the ride’s pacing and route. I’m appalled at the final product and how sterilized it is, and it just makes me thankful that I got to visit Disneyland when I did.
 
I had no idea they were going to change the ride’s pacing and route. I’m appalled at the final product and how sterilized it is, and it just makes me thankful that I got to visit Disneyland when I did
The new ride honestly makes me wonder if Disney no long can afford major upgrades and renovations to it's parks.
 
The new ride honestly makes me wonder if Disney no long can afford major upgrades and renovations to it's parks.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they started running into more roadblocks budget-wise during the ride’s development. Tiana’s Bayou Adventure was announced in early 2020, and since then Disney’s has hemorrhaged over a billion dollars and lost a lot of respect.

The Animatronics are the best-looking part of that whole ride, and a lot of the people who developed them left to work for Universal Studios Theme Park.

Edit: Beat me to it @KebobRemover lol
 
That and all the talented imagineers have either retired or went to work for Universal. It's not looking good long-term for Disney.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they started running into more roadblocks budget-wise during the ride’s development. Tiana’s Bayou Adventure was announced in early 2020, and since then Disney’s has hemorrhaged over a billion dollars and lost a lot of respect.

The Animatronics are the best-looking part of that whole ride, and a lot of the people who developed them left to work for Universal Studios Theme Park.

Edit: Beat me to it @KebobRemover lol
I thought the Disney Japan park was still doing good? the Frozen's Anna animatronic went viral on TikTok the special effects ion her dress when she freezaes and thaws
 
I thought the Disney Japan park was still doing good? the Frozen's Anna animatronic went viral on TikTok the special effects ion her dress when she freezaes and thaws
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Disney’s Japan park is run by a different company (Oriental Land Company), as far as I understand it Disney doesn’t have any direct involvement in that park.
The new ride honestly makes me wonder if Disney no long can afford major upgrades and renovations to it's parks.
They haven’t been able to for a while now, in the time that it took them to do shitty refurbs of a few rides Universal built a whole new land.
 
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Disney’s Japan park is run by a different company (Oriental Land Company), as far as I understand it Disney doesn’t have any direct involvement in that park.
That is somehow better and worse at the same time. Does Disney make any money from that park aside from flat rate licensing fees? does OLC get to choose what characters and scenes they do and do not show?
 
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