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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,578
StarkRavingMad said:
(aside from Cinderella, which I will still defend-- the only good one of the remakes).
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What's funny about Cinderella being the sole good live action remake is that, ( as far as I recall, only saw it once) when she's locked up as the prince is going around with the slipper, she just sort of sits in the attic, only catching his notice by chance as the window opened(by her animal friends?) by chance. Not very girl boss, even compared to the animated one where she fought a bit against the stepmom as she locked her in the attic, cried when she couldn't get out then she ran down and had the other slipper ready after the one she lost got broken, further proving she was the one.
 
Amber the Hedgehog said:
This is actually something I genuinely dislike about the show. They wanted to show a loving blended family where that isn't the star of the story because many kids grow up in blended families. Okey fair enough but you aren't really showing one because they are completely ignoring everything about blending families. No shared custody or grief about a missing or dead family member, no grandparents, aunts, uncles or cousins outside the present parents. It's completely pointless that the kids are step siblings because it's just something they state sometimes.
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Trianon said:
I think they just handle all those difficult elements in the Doofenshmirtz plots where it fits better tonally (with alimony, custody, and the effects of poor parenting being touched on in most episodes in some way). They're just contrasting two versions of blended family dynamics that can happen, one where it's their normal and the circumstances of how they came together don't really affect their daily lives, and one where the negative effects are pretty present, either because Doof was traumatized as a kid or just because he's grouchy around his ex. They also do show the grandparents quite a bit and some British cousins on Ferb's side.
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Amber the Hedgehog said:
Yes but they only show relatives of Phineas' mom and Ferb's dad, no one from the other side of the families and they all treat everyone the same. So it's no different if these two adults were just the biological parents of the three kids.

I don't mind they are a happy, functional and drama free blended family, I mind that there is no signs of them being blended beyond the occasional line. It just feels like lazy virtue signaling and I find that annoying.
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Honestly, I'm fine that they didn't try to go too in depth on the Fletcher family and their entire background. The show was never really meant to be about character development and over-arching stories. I came for the jokes and song numbers; not lore.
 
InJailOutSoon said:
Honestly, I'm fine that they didn't try to go too in depth on the Fletcher family and their entire background. The show was never really meant to be about character development and over-arching stories. I came for the jokes and song numbers; not lore.
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I'm fine with no lore, I'm there for the jokes and the music too, but if you are going to treat the blended family no different from a nuclear family then write them as just a nuclear family. Do something with a feature or don't have the feature.

Doofensmirz is a divorced father and this affects him and Vanessa even though the series treats the divorce as a no big deal, the separated family is loving and the co-parents get along just fine. Heinz goes on dates, Vanessa has two homes, it's pointed out that Charlene hasn't changed her last name after the divorce and so on. It's fairly drama free despite Hainz being a very dramatic guy who holds a grudge easily.

I want to see something like that with Fletcher-Flynn family. Nothing deep ot angsty but some natural effects from the family being blended like extra grandparents.
 
Rykel22 said:
What's funny about Cinderella being the sole good live action remake is that, ( as far as I recall, only saw it once) when she's locked up as the prince is going around with the slipper, she just sort of sits in the attic, only catching his notice by chance as the window opened(by her animal friends?) by chance. Not very girl boss, even compared to the animated one where she fought a bit against the stepmom as she locked her in the attic, cried when she couldn't get out then she ran down and had the other slipper ready after the one she lost got broken, further proving she was the one.
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The thing that always irritates me about critics of this story and to a lesser extent other female focused fairy tales is that the heroine's strength isn't physical but in her resistance to losing her inner core of kindness. She's not admirable because she used a sword or solved a problem but resisted the understandable temptation to be corrupted by the cruel treatment from her family and circumstances. When they say the create "strong" female characters it's like they only grasp literal physical strength, not the spiritual or emotional strength probably because those come from trying times and are an active choice rather than a brutal impulsive of quick violence. It's why Charlie won the chocolate factory, and Snow White her Prince.

Not a criticism of your point, it just triggered the tism I have towards the gutting of pure-hearted characters l, especially female ones.
 
The Mighty Banth said:
rather than a brutal impulsive of quick violence
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tbf there's a lot of fairy tales that could be resolved much more easily with "then the princess noticed the obviously evil thing and clubbed it over the head with a heavy knick-nack from the shelf while the evil thing was running its mouth about stupid shit, and she kept clubbing it over the head until mush poured out its ears. The end."
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
tbf there's a lot of fairy tales that could be resolved much more easily with "then the princess noticed the obviously evil thing and clubbed it over the head with a heavy knick-nack from the shelf while the evil thing was running its mouth about stupid shit, and she kept clubbing it over the head until mush poured out its ears. The end."
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The German ones do tend to end in violence, as Gretel had some roast witch at the end of hers. In the like the 6th voyage of the 7 Voyages of Sinbad, he gets shipped wrecked on a mystical isle for about the 5th time and tries to refuse to have anything to do with the adventures and tells the rest to not do anything. He then goes and sits under a palm tree and refuses to move, waiting for rescue. The survivors explore and are promptly eaten by a giant bird. It's honestly my favorite part of Arabian Nights.
 
Rykel22 said:
What's funny about Cinderella being the sole good live action remake is that, ( as far as I recall, only saw it once) when she's locked up as the prince is going around with the slipper, she just sort of sits in the attic, only catching his notice by chance as the window opened(by her animal friends?) by chance. Not very girl boss, even compared to the animated one where she fought a bit against the stepmom as she locked her in the attic, cried when she couldn't get out then she ran down and had the other slipper ready after the one she lost got broken, further proving she was the one.
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The Cinderella remake was before the GirlBoss shit plagued every story.

This was the only Disney remake that is still unapologetically a traditional fairytale. The only huge update they made was giving Prince Charming an entire arc. The focus on the movie was Cinderella and the Prince, and the movie spent time building up their characters so that you care about the two by the time their romance takes off.


This scene makes me smile. It's so romantic and cute.
 
I honestly hate the Frozen franchise. The movie was okay, but the whole thing was astroturfed for a year. The songs, the merch, the cosplaying, the talk about how there was “girl power” and “Sami representation”. It represented what Disney would later become.
 
ZsaZsaBinks said:
I honestly hate the Frozen franchise. The movie was okay, but the whole thing was astroturfed for a year. The songs, the merch, the cosplaying, the talk about how there was “girl power” and “Sami representation”. It represented what Disney would later become.
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Explains why my libshit relatives loved it and basically allowed their little girls to worship it more than God. I have no doubt they will be utterly chewed up and spit out by our post-modern (((Americandan))) "culture" by the time they are 20.
 
ZsaZsaBinks said:
I honestly hate the Frozen franchise. The movie was okay, but the whole thing was astroturfed for a year. The songs, the merch, the cosplaying, the talk about how there was “girl power” and “Sami representation”. It represented what Disney would later become.
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I still have no idea what the plot is about and only know the "Let it Go" song. Same thing with Moana.
 
The Mighty Banth said:
The German ones do tend to end in violence, as Gretel had some roast witch at the end of hers. In the like the 6th voyage of the 7 Voyages of Sinbad, he gets shipped wrecked on a mystical isle for about the 5th time and tries to refuse to have anything to do with the adventures and tells the rest to not do anything. He then goes and sits under a palm tree and refuses to move, waiting for rescue. The survivors explore and are promptly eaten by a giant bird. It's honestly my favorite part of Arabian Nights.
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because a lot of those stories originally were more about morality and scaring kids straight than entertainment with a happy end.
 
I saw Frozen back then because my kid was the right age. Maybe once or twice since. Frozen is fine. Frozen is good. Honestly I think it's better than most of the Disney Renaissance (although no animated musical beats Aladdin.)

The strange cult of little girls singing 'Let It Go' on the playground, when I was picking the kid up after school, was indeed pretty weird. As a phenomenon, I don't think it was astroturfed though. People genuinely loved Frozen for various reasons. If anybody talked about "girl power," that was reading the obvious. Frozen is a movie about sisterly relationship and yeah one of them sisters is the ice queen with monstrously impressive ice magic. The other sister is the hero and main character.

Of course Frozen 2, 3, etc is just who cares.

For that era of Disney (2010-2015?) I thought the other ones were pretty good too for family time. Wreck-It Ralph, Big Hero 6 and Zootopia. Probably helped that none of those were musicals.
 
I just remember hearing about how the plot was supposed to be way different, with Elsa being the villain. But Let It Go changed all of that and they had to redo the story to make her not evil. Sometimes I can’t help but wonder what could have been.
 
ZsaZsaBinks said:
I honestly hate the Frozen franchise. The movie was okay, but the whole thing was astroturfed for a year. The songs, the merch, the cosplaying, the talk about how there was “girl power” and “Sami representation”. It represented what Disney would later become.
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Frozen had, in my opinion, one of the dumbeet plot points ever committed to cinema and had only been ignored due to the movie being "for children. " I've seriously thought doing a video essay on it due to its rank stupidity.

Probably a stupid thing to do on its own, but I thought the critical exercise might be fun, if autistic.
 
ZsaZsaBinks said:
I honestly hate the Frozen franchise. The movie was okay, but the whole thing was astroturfed for a year. The songs, the merch, the cosplaying, the talk about how there was “girl power” and “Sami representation”. It represented what Disney would later become.
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It was very much astroturfed. I also got major trauma from it, so that's cool.
 
Cnut said:
I saw Frozen back then because my kid was the right age. Maybe once or twice since. Frozen is fine. Frozen is good. Honestly I think it's better than most of the Disney Renaissance (although no animated musical beats Aladdin.)

The strange cult of little girls singing 'Let It Go' on the playground, when I was picking the kid up after school, was indeed pretty weird. As a phenomenon, I don't think it was astroturfed though. People genuinely loved Frozen for various reasons. If anybody talked about "girl power," that was reading the obvious. Frozen is a movie about sisterly relationship and yeah one of them sisters is the ice queen with monstrously impressive ice magic. The other sister is the hero and main character.

Of course Frozen 2, 3, etc is just who cares.

For that era of Disney (2010-2015?) I thought the other ones were pretty good too for family time. Wreck-It Ralph, Big Hero 6 and Zootopia. Probably helped that none of those were musicals.
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It wasn’t even just preschool-aged girls either. I was in high school and all the female students and even the young female teachers were soying out about how emotional the movie and the soundtrack were.
 
I legit don't understand the hype with Frozen. Saw the movie once and took notes during it, and I can't tell you anything about it outside of it being dull and janky-looking and that the trolls were not needed at all or at least needed to not made to be real assholes while still pretending they're quirky and magically fun. Like it was obvious (once you knew where to look) that they had to scramble to meet the deadline after being told "No more 2D, 3D now", and then reanimate shit when they decided to rewrite the script to not make Elsa the antagonist. "Let It Go" is the only scene anyone remembers because it's the only part about the movie that you could say had actual Disney magic, which says something about the rest of the film. And even then the song at its core is actually terrible and that little girls shouldn't ever take it to heart. I can't imagine the deep-rot in those girls who grew up watching it.

And for years you couldn't tell anyone you didn't like it because they got fucking pissed at you for daring to say anything negative about it even if you actually didn't have anything bad to say. That behavior is very cultish, and the overlap between Frozen fans and Swifties was vast, come to think of it.

I still just cannot for the life of me figure out why it is Frozen won Disney's first Best Animated Film when Wreck-It Ralph was better. It really does feel like Disney paid someone off, even though it actually came out through Cartoon Brew many of the volunteer voters just picked it out of name-recognition because their kids liked it. Really bizarre shit that Oscar season.
 
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