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Speaking of Frozen, I remember there was like a strange rivalry for a while between that movie and Tangled.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
I legit don't understand the hype with Frozen. Saw the movie once and took notes during it, and I can't tell you anything about it outside of it being dull and janky-looking and that the trolls were not needed at all or at least needed to not made to be real assholes while still pretending they're quirky and magically fun. Like it was obvious (once you knew where to look) that they had to scramble to meet the deadline after being told "No more 2D, 3D now", and then reanimate shit when they decided to rewrite the script to not make Elsa the antagonist. "Let It Go" is the only scene anyone remembers because it's the only part about the movie that you could say had actual Disney magic, which says something about the rest of the film. And even then the song at its core is actually terrible and that little girls shouldn't ever take it to heart. I can't imagine the deep-rot in those girls who grew up watching it.

And for years you couldn't tell anyone you didn't like it because they got fucking pissed at you for daring to say anything negative about it even if you actually didn't have anything bad to say. That behavior is very cultish, and the overlap between Frozen fans and Swifties was vast, come to think of it.

I still just cannot for the life of me figure out why it is Frozen won Disney's first Best Animated Film when Wreck-It Ralph was better. It really does feel like Disney paid someone off, even though it actually came out through Cartoon Brew many of the volunteer voters just picked it out of name-recognition because their kids liked it. Really bizarre shit that Oscar season.
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I've never seen it, not at the time and not now, and years and years of hearing "Let It Go" repeatedly have made me never want to. All I can glean about the plot from the tidbits I'm aware of is that it's a classic fairy tale that got heavily filtered through a modern lens, with girl power and evil abusive boyfriend being front and center. Not something I really feel like seeing ever.

As for the Oscars, it's long been known that Academy voters generally consider animation beneath them, so they'll either choose whatever the Disney/Pixar option is that year or whatever their kids have dragged them to see. I remember an article years ago on the topic that had a quote from one member who said she took her son to an animated movie, then left him in the theater for the entire movie while she took business calls in the lobby, and that was the movie she voted for. Not only did she not watch the movie she voted for, she didn't watch any of them. When you take that into account, along with no doubt plenty of Disney money thrown around to keep their movies in the voters' minds, it's not really a surprise that the Oscar went to Disney or Pixar nearly every single year.

That's why it's all the more amusing that Disney's been shut out for the last three years in a row, their longest streak of losing the award since the category's inception, and to movies that deserved the award. Even funnier still that their latest loss was to a movie made by a Latvian indie studio in Blender with no dialogue whatsoever. I don't know if this means the Academy is actually taking animation a bit more seriously or not, but I hope so. Granted, I don't really care too much about the Oscars (mostly just watched for the frequent dumpster fires but even that's been taken from me), I just like seeing Disney lose stuff.
 
ZsaZsaBinks said:
I honestly hate the Frozen franchise. The movie was okay, but the whole thing was astroturfed for a year. The songs, the merch, the cosplaying, the talk about how there was “girl power” and “Sami representation”. It represented what Disney would later become.
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Grand Duke Snowfall said:
I just remember hearing about how the plot was supposed to be way different, with Elsa being the villain. But Let It Go changed all of that and they had to redo the story to make her not evil. Sometimes I can’t help but wonder what could have been.
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Yes because Prince Hans was the true Hero. Wanted to end a deadly Winter (famine for the peasants) caused by the Sorceress Queen. He also had tons of older brothers and was expected to inherit nothing, so he wanted to make his mark on the world.
 
The only thing I know about frozen is that Adelle Dazeem woman won an oscar for it or something right?
 
Lobster Cult High Priest said:
Yes because Prince Hans was the true Hero. Wanted to end a deadly Winter (famine for the peasants) caused by the Sorceress Queen. He also had tons of older brothers and was expected to inherit nothing, so he wanted to make his mark on the world.
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Ah yes, the Heroic capability to refuse to save a dying woman because her death can be used as a political tool.
 
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I thought Lilo and Stitch was going to make or break if they would continue making live action remakes or not, but Snow White is just that much of a trashfire. Doesn't help it got felted by a Minecraft movie that's popular for teenagers acting feral in the theaters
 
I don’t hate Frozen, but man, it dropped right before the 2010s really hit their stride, and looking back, it kind of feels like a sign of everything that was about to become annoying in pop culture.

The soundtrack was everywhere. You couldn’t escape it. Even if you hadn’t seen the movie, you somehow knew the lyrics to Let It Go like it was your legal obligation. And people latched onto it in this weird way—treating it like a feminist anthem or a personal declaration of liberation when, in the actual film, it’s basically Elsa saying, “I don’t care anymore and I’m going to isolate myself regardless of the consequences.”

Like, it’s not new for Disney songs to take on cultural meaning. “Who’s Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?” was kind of a Depression-era rallying cry. But that song had actual context. It was clear, it fit the narrative, and it made sense. Let It Go is so vague that it ends up being a blank canvas for whatever message people want it to have. And that’s not always a good thing—it can get misinterpreted real fast.

Honestly, the whole scene reads more like a villain song than anything else. Elsa accidentally throws her kingdom into permanent winter, shrugs, and walks away singing about how free she feels. If you tweak the tone just a little, it could be the Snow Queen going full supervillain.

All of this is to say that Frozen is basically a movie built entirely off of vibes and is Tumblr coated in a sense that people take its ambiguity and turn it into something that it was never really supposed to mean but it seen that way regardless because that's what the political climate wants.

I think that's why every subsequent sequel or spinoff has never really captured the same critical reception because the original had its entire perception inflated and shaped by the people that you would find on blue sky right now today.
 
X-avier cuck said:
Honestly, the whole scene reads more like a villain song than anything else. Elsa accidentally throws her kingdom into permanent winter, shrugs, and walks away singing about how free she feels. If you tweak the tone just a little, it could be the Snow Queen going full supervillain.
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I hate to have to tell you this but Elsa was supposed to be evil, but Serena Ryder came out with such a banger of a song with Let It Go that they had no choice but to rewrite the script.
 
When I first saw Frozen back in 2013, I didn't walk away from it thinking, "Yaaaassss queens! Feminism!"

I took at at face value: That it was a story about two estranged sisters becoming a proper family again. It was a fairytale about love in your family; it could easily be shown to kids who are combative siblings or something, you know? In my opinion, the movie immediately grabs at you with the "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" sequence, and it really shows the audience what the movie is about.

I still really like the first Frozen movie, and I didn't hate Frozen 2 (it's one of the better recent Disney sequels even if it was overtly ambitious with its story). Frozen has unfortunately brought out the WORST in the Disney adults though, holy shit. There have always been adults who have enjoyed Disney movies, but the "Disney Adult" phenomena did not become a thing until Frozen.

InJailOutSoon said:
Speaking of Frozen, I remember there was like a strange rivalry for a while between that movie and Tangled.
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I think that rivalry happened because of them being Disney's first two CGI animated fairytales/Princess movies.

Personally, I used to prefer Frozen because the songs are so much better than Tangled's ... But Tangled has definitely grown on me over the years, and the characters are SO much better.

Also, I am unashamed to say that I have seen the Tangled animated series, which is basically the sequel to the movie. Several years ago, I was babysitting a friend's kid, and the kid wanted to watch some episodes, and I was taken aback by how good it was (and so obviously I made it a point to watch the entire show by myself). I loved it.
 
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