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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.5%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,087 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,577
StarkRavingMad said:
When I first saw Frozen back in 2013, I didn't walk away from it thinking, "Yaaaassss queens! Feminism!"

I took at at face value: That it was a story about two estranged sisters becoming a proper family again. It was a fairytale about love in your family; it could easily be shown to kids who are combative siblings or something, you know? In my opinion, the movie immediately grabs at you with the "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" sequence, and it really shows the audience what the movie is about.
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Yeah, I think this is where the sort of disjointed element comes in: it was originally supposed to be an adaptation of The Snow Queen. As this was my favorite fairy tale growing up, I was a bit miffed when they completely ditched that idea and basically wrote a new story halfway through, even if the new story more or less held together. But you can see where certain aspects of this new story run up against the original structure they were working with where Elsa was supposed to be the villain.

If anything, the original The Snow Queen was more 'feminist'. It's the only fairytale I can remember where the male character needs to be saved by a girl after being abducted by a 'woman'. The Snow Queen is less a person with motivations than a cold, impersonal force of nature which represents brittle, jaded rationality and a complete lack of care for human beings. The heroine has to melt Kai's heart after a long, grueling journey to find him. It's really a story that lacks a villain, as the two 'evil' forces at work are the Snow Queen and the shards of the Devil's Mirror, neither of which follow any human motivations. I feel like the second you try and turn the Snow Queen into a human character, much less the sister of the protagonist, the original tale no longer works at all.
 
Frozen wasn't a bad movie persay, though I do remember getting a bit peeved with Hans being a twist villain because it just came out of no where. I know they wanted Anna to get with Christoph in the end but they could have still done that without Hans being like "actually I'm the bad guy". Show that the first person you have a crush on doesn't mean you actually truly love them. This is kind of true with a lot of media and not just Frozen in general; can't have people breaking off mutually, someone has to be the shitty person in the relationship.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
I legit don't understand the hype with Frozen.
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It's simple, really. I can summarize it in a single word: Elsa.

I’m not trying to change your mind, just quoting you because it fits nicely into my next point. You don’t like it, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

A lot of people are obsessed with this movie, not because they care about the plot, the twists, or the songs (besides let it go). It’s because they see themselves in Elsa. She’s pretty much a huge metaphor for people who’ve felt like outcasts and have had to hide a side of themselves, itching to show it. Yes, it’s broad as hell, so it can apply to a huge number of people or situations—like being the new kid at school, your parents not approving of your dream of becoming a rockstar, hiding your love for anime, etc.

The other characters are nice; people might even like them more. But Elsa is the one moving the merchandise sales.
While the drawback is that, yeah, Elsa’s nothing like the OG ice queen, she ended up being relatable enough to sustain a billion-dollar franchise.
 
StarkRavingMad said:
In my opinion, the movie immediately grabs at you with the "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" sequence, and it really shows the audience what the movie is about.
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It's a shame we lost Scatman John.

If he was still alive and I was in control over Disney, I would have commissioned a "Do you want to build a Scatman?" remix. XD
 
Mystery Spy said:
A lot of people are obsessed with this movie, not because they care about the plot, the twists, or the songs (besides let it go). It’s because they see themselves in Elsa.
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It just sounds like a very white woman thing to do (which was also a very Tumblr thing to do). My husband sometimes will ask me "Hey sweetie, as a white woman, what is it with the obsession with [X and Y woman things]?" and I just respond with "I don't freakin' know, I don't get it myself." Closest I got is that way more people are shallow than they think they are, and needing to have a desire to see themselves in fictional characters is one of that.

Now that I think about it, we didn't get an influx of "literally me" characters until after Frozen came out, except the characters weren't white women now. Representation quotas suddenly then shot through the roof and yet it was even more worse and obnoxious than before simply because they used such a shallow base (Elsa) to recycle over and over again. You could say Rapunzel started the trend, but Elsa and Anna decided to jump off the icy cliff hand-in-hand and it's like no one had a choice but to follow along.

God, women really do ruin everything.
 
All I remember about Frozen during the time it came out was twitter freaks reading too much into the sister relationship between Anna and Elsa and wanting them to be lesbians or something. It was fuckin' odd.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
It just sounds like a very white woman thing to do (which was also a very Tumblr thing to do).
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You would be surprised. A lot of men also did it too. Few would admit it IRL, but many did on the internet. It’s like Spider-man. Not everyone is a young white nerdy New Yorker. But having money issues like him is something a lot of people relate. He has fans all over the world for that reason ( and others).

That being said yes as as always Tumblrites were the most annoying about it.

But, yes you summed it perfectly a lot of people’s reaction was “Elsa is literally me”. That’s like 80% of the success of that movie and the reason people are obsessed with it. Not that it didn’t have other things people liked such as Anna and Elsa’s relationship. But the other Disney animated movies also had good songs, touching moments, and funny characters, and they weren’t as succesful.

Even the so-called “feminist/subversive” moments people praise are popular because they make Elsa look cooler in their eyes. For instance, this movies DOES have a traditional Disney romance, it just happened to Anna not Elsa.
 
I was reading Wikipedia articles about a show I used to watch as a kid (as one does), Even Stevens on the Disney channel. I found out that earlier this year, Christy Carlson Romano, who starred in Even Stevens and voiced the title character in Kim Possible, got shot in the face with birdshot. Here's a link to an article.

Edit to add: She was shooting clay pigeons with her husband and an unnamed third party. It was apparently this third party that shot her by accident.

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Mouse Cop said:
I was reading Wikipedia articles about a show I used to watch as a kid (as one does), Even Stevens on the Disney channel. I found out that earlier this year, Christy Carlson Romano, who starred in Even Stevens and voiced the title character in Kim Possible, got shot in the face with birdshot. Here's a link to an article.

Edit to add: She was shooting clay pigeons with her husband and an unnamed third party. It was apparently this third party that shot her by accident.

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We all know who that "unnamed third party" was:
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Mouse Cop said:
I was reading Wikipedia articles about a show I used to watch as a kid (as one does), Even Stevens on the Disney channel. I found out that earlier this year, Christy Carlson Romano, who starred in Even Stevens and voiced the title character in Kim Possible, got shot in the face with birdshot. Here's a link to an article.

Edit to add: She was shooting clay pigeons with her husband and an unnamed third party. It was apparently this third party that shot her by accident.

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So that's the sitch.
 
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