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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.5%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,086 68.9%
  • Total voters
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Damn. This is actually pretty cool.
 
This kind of reminds me of when their later 2D movies (think Atlantis/Home on the Range) were pretty bad and didn't do well commercially before they stopped doing them, maybe it's getting that way now with their CGI stuff.
 
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I watched Luca for the first time. It was alright, not bad, but not anywhere near the heavy-hitters of Pixar's past. It felt more like a long episode of a TV cartoon in terms of quality, weight, and excitement. It was seriously held back by the art style though. I know it's been said one million times before, but the beanmouth shit is so ugly, especially in 3D. There were scenes with genuinely nice composition, lighting, and texture that couldn't shine because of the beanmouth. There were potentially emotional scenes that were rendered inert because of the style. The scene where Alberto is revealed to Giula is supposed to be scary, and there's no way to convey that in that style. It just came off as goofy. I couldn't stop thinking about how pretty a movie about merpeople set in a little sea-side Italian town would have looked in the traditional 2D Disney style, Ghibli style, or hell just make it in the same style as Coco which came out only 4 years before! What happened. The credits show the characters drawn in 2D, and they look much better. They obviously still have the awkward "western animator trying to do chibi anime" look to them, but they are at least better than the uncanny GrubHub blobs they become in 3D.
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Candlelight Desolation said:
This kind of reminds me of when their later 2D movies (think Atlantis/Home on the Range) were pretty bad and didn't do well commercially before they stopped doing them, maybe it's getting that way now with their CGI stuff.
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The sad part about that history is that a lot of basically boils down to Michael Eisner being incredibly arrogant and making increasingly poor decisions.

The original pitch for The emperor's New groove was that it was going to be a Renaissance style musical on top of the comedy, but because he was insecure about early BuzzFeed level takes, Eisner made them completely rework it.

Chicken Little was supposed to be a girl and Buck Cluck was kind of supposed to be an overbearing father type, but he thought that having a female as a lead (in a Disney movie of all things) wouldn't go over well with a male audience and wanted them to try to emulate Shrek.

Roy Disney wanted to have a big budget Fantasia 2000, but Eisner didn't think that it was a good idea and willingly didn't allow the film to get much promotion.

In many ways, you can kind of see how a lot of the things that happened nearly thirty something years ago are kind of a pre-cursor to this modern slip era.

-mediocre straight to DVD sequels and prequels are what eventually evolved into live-action remakes.

-chasing trends instead of sticking to what works

-Aloof CEOs you don't really understand the company they're running.

-the obsession with 3D started here

There are some behind the scenes stuff behind even the well received modern movies like Encanto that I could share to you guys if you're interested, that literally confirms just how even some of the better projects are suffering because of management
 
X-avier cuck said:
The sad part about that history is that a lot of basically boils down to Michael Eisner being incredibly arrogant and making increasingly poor decisions.

The original pitch for The emperor's New groove was that it was going to be a Renaissance style musical on top of the comedy, but because he was insecure about early BuzzFeed level takes, Eisner made them completely rework it.

Chicken Little was supposed to be a girl and Buck Cluck was kind of supposed to be an overbearing father type, but he thought that having a female as a lead (in a Disney movie of all things) wouldn't go over well with a male audience and wanted them to try to emulate Shrek.

Roy Disney wanted to have a big budget Fantasia 2000, but Eisner didn't think that it was a good idea and willingly didn't allow the film to get much promotion.

In many ways, you can kind of see how a lot of the things that happened nearly thirty something years ago are kind of a pre-cursor to this modern slip era.

-mediocre straight to DVD sequels and prequels are what eventually evolved into live-action remakes.

-chasing trends instead of sticking to what works

-Aloof CEOs you don't really understand the company they're running.

-the obsession with 3D started here

There are some behind the scenes stuff behind even the well received modern movies like Encanto that I could share to you guys if you're interested, that literally confirms just how even some of the better projects are suffering because of management
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Eisner wasn't the cancer, but he was the I'll Start Cutting Back Soon
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
Eisner wasn't the cancer, but he was the I'll Start Cutting Back Soon
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I think the big problem is that the original head guys frank, jeffrey, and Eisner all balanced each other out and when Frank died we basically got the naivete of Michael Eisner and the narcissistic slave driver that is Jeffrey katzenberg.

If you watch a lot of Defuntland we can see that Michael was just to spend happy and would gamble a lot of stuff on really pointless endeavors like the various theater Park expansions and when he wasn't doing that it was kind of trying to get the animators to work on weird short films like one featuring the Disney princesses walking down an altar pregnant with their husbands in hand.

Jeffrey on the other hand, had a few successes like The Prince of Egypt and of course the first two Shrek films, but after that he essentially plunged DreamWorks into the ground and now they have inconsistent quality and less than like 40 people still working at the studio.
 
X-avier cuck said:
If you watch a lot of Defuntland we can see that Michael was just to spend happy and would gamble a lot of stuff on really pointless endeavors like the various theater Park expansions and when he wasn't doing that it was kind of trying to get the animators to work on weird short films like one featuring the Disney princesses walking down an altar pregnant with their husbands in hand.
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Would you please tell me what this is referring to? I've never heard of a project involving that and I'm afraid of what will pop up if I try to find it via Google.
 
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X-avier cuck said:
If you watch a lot of Defuntland we can see that Michael was just to spend happy and would gamble a lot of stuff on really pointless endeavors like the various theater Park expansions and when he wasn't doing that it was kind of trying to get the animators to work on weird short films like one featuring the Disney princesses walking down an altar pregnant with their husbands in hand.
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Scientifically Inaccurate said:
Would you please tell me what this is referring to? I've never heard of a project involving that and I'm afraid of what will pop up if I try to find it via Google.
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Am I weird that I actually found that really charming and a lovely tribute to the Disney films of the past? X-avier cuck made it sound a lot weirder than it actually was.

It reminded me, sentimentally, of the old Silly Symphonies cartoons from back in the day, where the animation perfectly and whimsically encapsulates the mood of the music? Donald's slapstick mayhem with the card guards and the crocodile, for instance. Hell, what is Fantasia, one of the most beloved Disney classics, if not animation set to classical music?

I dunno, man, but compare that to modern slop like Wish, which was supposed to be this big love letter to 100 years of Disney animation but was actually just generic, boring, thoroughly unmagical bullshit populated entirely by ambiguously brown people singing songs with lyrics like "When it comes to the universe we're all shareholders."

I'd take a short like that any day.
 
mlanguishi said:
This makes me this F4 is going to do REAL bad, and probably Superman too. Everything's been tracking down this summer. Those saying Jurassic World might be the top movie this year are probably right.
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To be fair, Fantastic Four is probably going to do bad because none of the other Fantastic Four movies have been all that good or well received. They've had 4 movies and Hollywood can't seem to figure these guys out. I don't expect the fifth to fair much better.
X-avier cuck said:
The original pitch for The emperor's New groove was that it was going to be a Renaissance style musical on top of the comedy, but because he was insecure about early BuzzFeed level takes, Eisner made them completely rework it.
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I would have liked to see the original version of Emperor's New Groove, but there's no denying that what we got as a replacement is fantastic. It's probably the funniest animated movie Disney has ever put out.
 
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Miriam Margoyles said:
Am I weird that I actually found that really charming and a lovely tribute to the Disney films of the past? X-avier cuck made it sound a lot weirder than it actually was.

It reminded me, sentimentally, of the old Silly Symphonies cartoons from back in the day, where the animation perfectly and whimsically encapsulates the mood of the music? Donald's slapstick mayhem with the card guards and the crocodile, for instance. Hell, what is Fantasia, one of the most beloved Disney classics, if not animation set to classical music?
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yeah that was like, you can see how that could very easily be pissed down their leg and it would need a VERY delicate touch through to the final sound mix to not look really creepy and bad
Eisner also had The Making Of Me under his tenure
was he an ABE_
 
Miriam Margoyles said:
Am I weird that I actually found that really charming and a lovely tribute to the Disney films of the past? X-avier cuck made it sound a lot weirder than it actually was.

It reminded me, sentimentally, of the old Silly Symphonies cartoons from back in the day, where the animation perfectly and whimsically encapsulates the mood of the music? Donald's slapstick mayhem with the card guards and the crocodile, for instance. Hell, what is Fantasia, one of the most beloved Disney classics, if not animation set to classical music?

I dunno, man, but compare that to modern slop like Wish, which was supposed to be this big love letter to 100 years of Disney animation but was actually just generic, boring, thoroughly unmagical bullshit populated entirely by ambiguously brown people singing songs with lyrics like "When it comes to the universe we're all shareholders."

I'd take a short like that any day.
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It was axed when Roy Disney reminded them that the Princesses are ages 14-16, so it would come off in poor taste.

The princess academy show sounded like a banger idea, though
 
X-avier cuck said:
It was axed when Roy Disney reminded them that the Princesses are ages 14-16, so it would come off in poor taste.

The princess academy show sounded like a banger idea, though
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They could have just drawn them a bit older, it worked out fine in the Little Mermaid sequel.

I thought it was pretty charming overall, but i felt shocked that at one recent point that the couples would not only be having children but it would be the entire point if the celebration. What strange times we live in where a happy couple having a baby as the culmination of their love is almost totally shunned in a company founded on creating for families.
 
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