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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.5%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,087 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,577
Incecticyder said:
Racist against humans? We knew that, didn't we?
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Yep, it was there in the Way of Water, given the events of the first film. It grows stronger in Fire and Ash in the wake of Neteyam's death. It's one of the core character dramas and struggles in the new film, but even though fucking obvious and simple done. Apparently, it's too subtle for the average movie goer. Like most of the plot, themes and ideas in the new film if online comments are anything to go by.
 
Screamer_2 said:
Yep, it was there in the Way of Water, given the events of the first film. It grows stronger in Fire and Ash in the wake of Neteyam's death. It's one of the core character dramas and struggles in the new film, but even though fucking obvious and simple done. Apparently, it's too subtle for the average movie goer. Like most of the plot, themes and ideas in the new film if online comments are anything to go by.
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I think they have a hard time dealing with the fact that a racist can be a moral and relatable hero.
 
Incecticyder said:
I think they have a hard time dealing with the fact that a racist can be a moral and relatable hero.
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It sounds like it was the actress who was taking issue with the fact she played a racist, and thus inciting the masses follow suit with it. Like did she not realize this during filming, or was it okay for a black woman to play a racist but she didn't realize the masses was going to cry foul?
 
Your Starter for 10 said:
I think they have a harder time dealing with the fact that a racist may not be a white male.
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Could be.

Kari Kamiya said:
It sounds like it was the actress who was taking issue with the fact she played a racist, and thus inciting the masses follow suit with it. Like did she not realize this during filming, or was it okay for a black woman to play a racist but she didn't realize the masses was going to cry foul?
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Anti-white racism had been ok for a while. Did they not like that mirror?
 
Just watched Zootopia 2 and honestly, I wasnt interested in it but I wanted an excuse to go to the theater with my mother during our "mini vacation" from work. Anyway, my take is that...its just more Zootopia.

If you come into Z2 and expect some sort of major development, sorry but you are just getting a somewhat generic plot about Nick and Judy struggling with being partners while investigating ANOTHER conspiracy (and apparently this is like, a bit over a week since the events of the original). To be fair, its not bad but its not original in the slightest and we have A LOT of callbacks to the first movie, like, a LOT.

Literally every memorable character from the original will at least make a cameo. It can be a tad distracting with the intense amount of "member berries". But how about the new characters ? The beaver girl and snake are pretty decent, tho the latter is just underdeveloped in my opinion, making him come off as just "good guy snake" without much else. The beaver girl is charmingly kooky, nothing special and I was legit expecting them to go into a satirical Alex Jones type angle (which we know Disney would handle with the subtlety of a fucking brick against glass) but thankfully they didnt go for it but I almost wished they did and had her be a "Sticks The Badger" type of character instead of constant beaver jokes. Im also glad they didnt have the horse mayor be a stand in for Trump and we all know they could have easily done that too, hell, they gave him a small redemption moment at the end so that was appreciated.

For being a big part of the marketing, the snake character doesnt have a lot of presence, only truly becoming a major character in the end of the second act and suddenly acting like he and Hopps have this deep friendship so that felt pretty rushed. The lore around him was interesting but I wished we learned more about him and his home and family and had more sides of his personality. Maybe these will be fixed in a possible Zootopia 3 (even tho nothing indicates we will see more of Snake and Beaver Girl).

I saw the lynx guy being evil a mile away, mostly because 9 times out of 10, the newcomer will, at least, be a major part of the mystery (if not the culprit).

Also, the last time we had a conspiracy around a supposedly "oppressed" group of people brewing chaos behind the scenes through the insertion of drugs in communities they dont like in the goal of obtaining more political power for themselves while in THIS one we have a sinister family of elites that fully on control elections wanting to rewrite history over the legacy that they stole and preserve an ancient lie, willing to do the worst things to achieve it.

What did Zootopia mean with these?


Anyway, ultimately, Z2 is decent. Just more of the same, which, if you like Zootopia, that will be enough for you but if you are expecting something that shakes things up after almost a decade of waiting, you might be disappointed. Undercooked in some places but still perfectly serviciable even if it plays very safe a lot of times.

At the very least, Zootopia 2 made more sense than a Frozen 2 and even a 3.
 
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The handsome tard said:
, sorry but you are just getting a somewhat generic plot about Nick and Judy struggling with being partners while investigating ANOTHER conspiracy (and apparently this is like, a bit over a week since the events of the original).
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Apparently, in-universe it has been ONE YEAR from the moment Nick went to police academy and one week the two began to work together, dating in the meantime, which explains how they act like they know each other for a long time in the second movie. This is explained in the wiki from a twitter post one of the writers made. Why didn't the second movie have a training montage scene of Nick working hard to become a cop parallel to Judy's? No fucking idea. Lazyness?

The handsome tard said:
pressed" group of people brewing chaos behind the scenes through the insertion of drugs in communities they dont like in the goal of obtaining more political power for themselves while in THIS one we have a sinister family of elites that fully on control elections wanting to rewrite history over the legacy that they stole and preserve an ancient lie, willing to do the worst things to achieve it.
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The bad guys, being an old-money white family, feel suspicious these days. I wish the twist villain wasn't that blatant and tried to justify himself more, rather than being one-note evil. I wish they made him more reluctant rather than stating "all of the members of this white family are EEVIL!!!"
 
Newcomer 42 said:
Apparently, in-universe it has been ONE YEAR from the moment Nick went to police academy and one week the two began to work together, dating in the meantime, which explains how they act like they know each other for a long time in the second movie. This is explained in the wiki from a twitter post one of the writers made. Why didn't the second movie have a training montage scene of Nick working hard to become a cop parallel to Judy's? No fucking idea. Lazyness?
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I suppose they didn't feel like a training montage for Nick like they gave Judy.

Newcomer 42 said:
The bad guys, being an old-money white family, feel suspicious these days. I wish the twist villain wasn't that blatant and tried to justify himself more, rather than being one-note evil. I wish they made him more reluctant rather than stating "all of the members of this white family are EEVIL!!!"
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There's a lot they could've done with Pawbert but didn't. Just a daddy's boy.
 
Newcomer 42 said:
Apparently, in-universe it has been ONE YEAR from the moment Nick went to police academy and one week the two began to work together
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So the movie takes place a week after that post credit scene with them stopping Flash (maybe letting him off with a warning or something). The movie does a piss poor job in reestablishing itself tho.

They could have shown Nick in a similar sequence as the original with Judy, except he finds his own ways to come out ontop, which helps establish how different they are.
Newcomer 42 said:
dating in the meantime
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Ok, I legit dont recall any part of the movie where it indicates Nick and Judy did any dating in the meantime, hell, she didnt even know how his place looked like until the second movie itself.

I feel like Disney is just really trying to keep romance between these two at minimun, likely as to avoid certain interspecies world building questions (not that fans didnt have a wild time answering that shit in the 9 years since the original, right down to the infamous abortion comic). Whenever they use the word "partner", its usually in the "work" sense so Disney is def. tip tapping around the topic.
Newcomer 42 said:
I wish the twist villain wasn't that blatant and tried to justify himself more, rather than being one-note evil. I wish they made him more reluctant rather than stating "all of the members of this white family are EEVIL!!!"
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Honestly, thats the issue with A LOT of twist villains, especially those from modern disney and like I have said, I did call it when he appeared, especially since the series has already done this sort of thing before with Bellwether (and iirc, it is something that Z1 was kind of criticized for, the villain was weak).

Twist villains are weak by their very nature because they are one trick ponies, once they reveal themselves the magic is gone and there isnt enough time to get to know them as actual villains because usually that shit happens in the middle of the third act. Its one of the many reasons why modern disney villains absolutely suck compared to the old guard, there is hardly any character beyond their bare motivations and thats really it.

Disney fell in love with the Hans twist villain from Frozen and learned all the wrong lessons from it.

It would have worked better if they kept the lynx a good guy or make it seem he will be a twist villain only to go with a double twist and reveal he was only pretending to be a twist villain to get his family's trust when they're in a pickle. It overall was a very safe direction to take him and the Shining reference wasnt enough to buy me over. A friend of mine defended him, saying it was better than Bellwether and maybe so, but it was still a tiresome twist villain at the end of the day. If there is ever a Zootopia 3 and chances are, there will be, I will legit hate the movie automatically if it has another twist villain.
Newcomer 42 said:
I wish the twist villain wasn't that blatant and tried to justify himself more, rather than being one-note evil. I wish they made him more reluctant rather than stating "all of the members of this white family are EEVIL!!!"
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Again, twist villains, when they are revealed, only truly have their motivations and not enough character out of the principle that there isnt time anymore to expand it since its the climax. If they expanded more on his motivations why he was "turning" on his family, it would have at least shed some light but they just had him being a generic "runt of the litter" type character that decides to stick with his family after an actually pretty risky and convoluded plan that has no reason why his family couldnt have known about it secretly...

I feel like this is the sort of plot that gets worse if you think about it too much.
Screamer_2 said:
Yep, it was there in the Way of Water, given the events of the first film. It grows stronger in Fire and Ash in the wake of Neteyam's death. It's one of the core character dramas and struggles in the new film, but even though fucking obvious and simple done. Apparently, it's too subtle for the average movie goer. Like most of the plot, themes and ideas in the new film if online comments are anything to go by.
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Does she ever gets confronted with the fact that her husband and SAVIOR OF HER PEOPLE was originally a human? Hell, many allies of theirs in the first movie and even the second are humans.

Its fine if she doesnt like humans that didnt earn her trust in general but to hate her own adoptive kid seems rather difficult to buy, especially since, again, her husband was a human and if its such a problem for her, just leave Spider to live with the humans living on pandora, there was no reason having Jake and family raise him.

I dont dislike the idea of her being racists against humans, hell, I'd welcome it but its not used interestingly like having Spider wanting to gain her approval like the relationship between Tarzan and Kerchak. Its just THERE just so she hates one of her kids and shakes her fists "Damn you, humanity!"

As usual with Avatar, good ideas are often mishandled.
 
The handsome tard said:
So the movie takes place a week after that post credit scene with them stopping Flash (maybe letting him off with a warning or something). The movie does a piss poor job in reestablishing itself tho.
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Nope, not explained anywhere. It's all in a random twitter post you wouldn't know if someone else didn't point it to you.

The handsome tard said:
They could have shown Nick in a similar sequence as the original with Judy, except he finds his own ways to come out ontop, which helps establish how different they are.
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That was my thinking. Unfortunately, it seems they're preparing Nick to be a comic relief loser just like Buzz Lightyear in his own movie. Z3 might be even harsher on the fox.

The handsome tard said:
Ok, I legit dont recall any part of the movie where it indicates Nick and Judy did any dating in the meantime, hell, she didnt even know how his place looked like until the second movie itself.
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Not told directly (although said twitter post stated that), but Judy complained about how he never invited her to his place, implying they dated.
Their relationship is played safe. If the leaked script a while ago was true, the original ending had Nick eyeing a ring he wanted to gift her, but that didn't happen. Remember that in Current Year, hetero men are evil and normal/hetero relationships are twice as evil.
 
The handsome tard said:
Does she ever gets confronted with the fact that her husband and SAVIOR OF HER PEOPLE was originally a human? Hell, many allies of theirs in the first movie and even the second are humans.

Its fine if she doesnt like humans that didnt earn her trust in general but to hate her own adoptive kid seems rather difficult to buy, especially since, again, her husband was a human and if its such a problem for her, just leave Spider to live with the humans living on pandora, there was no reason having Jake and family raise him.

I dont dislike the idea of her being racists against humans, hell, I'd welcome it but its not used interestingly like having Spider wanting to gain her approval like the relationship between Tarzan and Kerchak. Its just THERE just so she hates one of her kids and shakes her fists "Damn you, humanity!"

As usual with Avatar, good ideas are often mishandled.
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None of it was mishandled in the film. There is a central and strong relationship drama between Jake and Neteyri over this. He literally is like, "I'm sky people, your kids are half sky people, do you hate them?" She is struggling with it.

She's distraught after losing her son. Jake is dealing with it by keeping busy. She goes into hatred and depression. Jake is ignoring it, getting to work by recoving guns from after the battle at the end of the film. A gulf widens between them. There's a solid relationship drama due to the trama and events that occured in the film with well done scenes between them.

I'm trying to avoid spoilers and most people online commenting on the film are retards, but there's literally a central plot of if they should murder Spider.

This is spoiler, Jake not dealing with the trama lashes out at Lo'ak who then gets suicidal and puts a gun in his mouth. There is dark and mature stuff in there. It's not the superficial, nothing but spectacle film the retards are claiming.
 
these are some impressively shit acts at Magic Kingdom tonight
like the DJs literally played just the opening to Sweet Child Of Mine looped for like, three minutes straight
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so help me they literally announced "get ready to get rickrolled" prior to playing it
it's sort of on-point for vintage Disney to be so ungodly square and behind the times to even mention rickrolling in public in 2025
 
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