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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.5%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,087 68.9%
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    1,577
Because having a black Spiderman is PANDERING. But Disney promoting their products totally isn't. ^^ And the princesses are awesome, so anyone who dislikes this film and prefers the butch Spider Gwen is a dirty misogynist who hates girly girls!

No lies I've seen some Tumblrs basically echo this idea more or less, and they were freakin' adults.
 
friedshrimp said:
Because having a black Spiderman is PANDERING. But Disney promoting their products totally isn't. ^^ And the princesses are awesome, so anyone who dislikes this film and prefers the butch Spider Gwen is a dirty misogynist who hates girly girls!

No lies I've seen some Tumblrs basically echo this idea more or less, and they were freakin' adults.
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As a fan of the Disney Princesses myself, I cannot fathom how or why so many Disney fans were satisfied and pleased with how the Princesses were handled in Wreck-It-Ralph 2. The movie spent time just shitting on the Princesses, really ... And then they shoehorned in some feminist-pandering line about how "They need to save the man!" It was intellectually insulting and fucking lame.

Spider-Gwen is far from butch. Literally, her fighting style mimicks that of ballet dancing, which is even evidenced in her suit with the ballet slippers. Plus, you know, she was really COOL in the Spider-Verse movie.

Any "diversity" moments in Spider-Verse were not pandering. Why? Because there aren't any "hit yourself over the head with a mallet" lines about any of the characters. There weren't any "omg Spider-Gwen is so cool even though she's a woman!" lines, and there weren't any "Well, as the BLACK Spider-Man, I'm ..." lines. The movie just relied on being GOOD.
 
I dunno, man, you seem like a cool princess fan. The princess fanatics I've met are quite the opposite, they seem to despise any female character that isn't part of the franchise line or something like that. It's like they feel threatened by other women or other female characters who act different from the typical singing cute princess, and they accuse them of not being as feminine as the princesses or something like that, in an attempt to degrade them or their fans. They also tend to like the more white characters over the brown ones, calling any film starring a brown character "pandering", Coco, Black Panther, Mulan, Aladdin, Princess and the Frog, Spiderverse...It's kinda funny the things you notice.
 
StarkRavingMad said:
Any "diversity" moments in Spider-Verse were not pandering. Why? Because there aren't any "hit yourself over the head with a mallet" lines about any of the characters. There weren't any "omg Spider-Gwen is so cool even though she's a woman!" lines, and there weren't any "Well, as the BLACK Spider-Man, I'm ..." lines. The movie just relied on being GOOD
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Not to mention Miles had to actually try. His being the "newest" Spider-Man led to a really interesting dynamic between him and everyone else.

Yes, he ended up saving everyone in the end, but the movie earned it by forcing Miles to have to prove himself. Plus it wasn't just a curb-stomp; he still ended up getting the shit kicked out of him even after he found his footing.

Spider-Verse is far and away the best way to handle "diversity" in movies in Current Year, and to call it pandering would be ignoring the truly bad examples of forced diversity.
 
friedshrimp said:
I dunno, man, you seem like a cool princess fan. The princess fanatics I've met are quite the opposite, they seem to despise any female character that isn't part of the franchise line or something like that. It's like they feel threatened by other women or other female characters who act different from the typical singing cute princess, and they accuse them of not being as feminine as the princesses or something like that, in an attempt to degrade them or their fans. They also tend to like the more white characters over the brown ones, calling any film starring a brown character "pandering", Coco, Black Panther, Mulan, Aladdin, Princess and the Frog, Spiderverse...It's kinda funny the things you notice.
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First off, thanks!

Secondly, my guess is that a lot of these princess fans get overtly defensive. Lots of people over the years have completely shat on the Disney Princesses for not being "progressive" or "feminist" enough, and so I guess the fans of them feel the need to defend them to the point where they shit on anything (or anyone) that isn't part of the brand? Either way, it's ridiculous.

Little do a lot of these fans know, though, is that while Wreck-It-Ralph 2 had all of the Princesses together in one movie, the movie spent almost the entire time they were on screen cynically making fun of them. And look at movies like the Beauty & The Beast live action remake: They fully admitted that the Belle in that movie is different from the original because Emma Watson looked down on the original character and demanded that she have creative control over her role (and it totally shows in the remake-- that bitch ain't my Belle).

Lots of these Disney fans don't realize that Disney itself has been shitting on its own brand via cynical cash grabs. The people calling the shots at Disney right now clearly look down on the older movies that made them the evil empire they are today, haha.
 
Baldur's Gait said:
Not to mention Miles had to actually try. His being the "newest" Spider-Man led to a really interesting dynamic between him and everyone else.

Yes, he ended up saving everyone in the end, but the movie earned it by forcing Miles to have to prove himself. Plus it wasn't just a curb-stomp; he still ended up getting the shit kicked out of him even after he found his footing.

Spider-Verse is far and away the best way to handle "diversity" in movies in Current Year, and to call it pandering would be ignoring the truly bad examples of forced diversity.
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Not to mention Miles isn't written as a smug, preachy little shit that gets up in everyone's face about race. He's an eager, sensitive guy with a big enough sense of courage and responsibility to know that he needs to make something of his talents. The death of his universe's Spider-man makes a huge impression on him and he wants to get to the point where he can be that awe-inspiring and protective of the people he loves. He's vulnerable but pushes through his vulnerability to do the right thing. It's basic likable character-writing 101.

How they didn't recognize this shit for Rey and Captain Marvel is so fucking ridiculous. You're this giant-ass company with all this power and prestige and you can't figure out how to make a protagonist work. Incredible.
 
Watching Disney fall apart over the years was what turned me into a DreamWorks fangirl, a title that gives me some dirty looks whenever I bring it up. Katzenburg was completely in the right to produce a 90-minute animated giant middle finger to Disney, and that movie totally earned the first Best Animated Feature in the Oscars the same year Monsters, Inc. was released.
 
Prince of Egypt alone could stand toe to toe with the very best of Disney. DreamWorks doesn't always put out the best shit but when they get it right, they REALLY get it right.
 
Alto said:
How they didn't recognize this shit for Rey and Captain Marvel is so fucking ridiculous. You're this giant-ass company with all this power and prestige and you can't figure out how to make a protagonist work. Incredible.
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Because the cult of social justice is extremely vocal and they don't like minority protagonists that are well rounded, flawed characters that just so happen to be a minority. Making minority protagonists work for their goal is also bad. They need to be perfect and have zero difficulties doing anything.
 
Alto said:
Prince of Egypt alone could stand toe to toe with the very best of Disney. DreamWorks doesn't always put out the best shit but when they get it right, they REALLY get it right.
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I just mentioned How to Train Your Dragon 3 in the Wreck-It-Ralph 2 post.

God, I love those movies. I want to live in the HTTYD world. There is no such thing as a perfect pet in my eyes ... Because the perfect pet is an animated CGI dragon named Toothless. :feels:
 
I think any of the 2-D DreamWorks films are excellent, even Sinbad and Spirit. I wish they'd stayed in that route and not gone full Shrek with the constant pop culture references. But hey, HTTYD and Kung Fu Panda both generated fine franchises and for every Trolls or Shark Tale, there seems to be something worth your time. DreamWorks is a mixed bag but they have potential and they haven't exhausted it yet the way Disney has.
 
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StarkRavingMad said:
I just mentioned How to Train Your Dragon 3 in the Wreck-It-Ralph 2 post.

God, I love those movies. I want to live in the HTTYD world. There is no such thing as a perfect pet in my eyes ... Because the perfect pet is an animated CGI dragon named Toothless. :feels:
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Best part is you just know HTTYD was Chris Sanders' way of getting back at Disney for dropping him from his project, American Dog (which was retooled into Bolt), and taking away Stitch from him. 'Course Chris also saved HTTYD on top of that, so the gods were smiling down on DreamWorks when they blessed them with this beautiful man. Hell, I didn't even mind The Croods. Such a damn shame the sequel got cancelled when they were merging into Comcast and had all those layoffs.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
Best part is you just know HTTYD was Chris Sanders' way of getting back at Disney for dropping him from his project, American Dog (which was retooled into Bolt), and taking away Stitch from him. 'Course Chris also saved HTTYD on top of that, so the gods were smiling down on DreamWorks when they blessed them with this beautiful man. Hell, I didn't even mind The Croods. Such a damn shame the sequel got cancelled when they were merging into Comcast and had all those layoffs.
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I watched The Croods a few years ago. Not a bad movie at all, and it definitely had potential for a sequel.
 
I mean, I get why Shrek is so important to animation history. By all accounts, it should've been poo-pooed out of the theater for being so blatantly obvious it was shitting all over the sacred cow that is Disney and was super brash and crude and bared it all (literally). But... people liked it. Families loved it. Critics praised it. I don't know what the general consensus was for Disney employees at the time, but I'm certain it was a huge kick in the ass that they need every once in a while, and perhaps secretly a lot of the higher ups were really impressed with it.

Shrek is honestly a good film, like in spite of the pop culture references that really should've dated it, Shrek and its sequel (no plural) has managed to remain relevant almost twenty years later. Animation studios have tried to make their own Shrek in response, but they haven't been able to succeed. Not even Disney themselves could do it. Fate/Karma sadly fucked over DreamWorks financially to the point they're being overlooked by the cheapest, most milquetoast bastard ever, but for a time they were really the only ones who dared to challenge Disney and call them out while settling in to their own style--even if that style is cringey. It's honestly quite admirable, and I doubt we'll ever see another studio like them again if they end up getting swallowed up by Illumination at the end of the day.

I'm honestly disappointed that it looks like Kung Fu Panda may never get to tell its full story (apparently they had ideas for six films? Even though I think they blew their load too early with the second one), and Shrek may end up being milked some more for every last drop, but at least they managed to tell the How to Train Your Dragon franchise the way they wanted. Most studios don't get that privilege to not have a black mark on an IP of theirs. (Although I wouldn't put it past someone to decide to keep it going and snuff out the magic.)
 
Yeah, Dreamworks films are amazing. Even if they took a nosedive with Shrek you gotta admire since their beginnings they tried to do their own thing instead of just copying Disney.

The Prince of Egypt to this day still gives me goosebumps. I dunno how they managed to make such a perfect film, but they did. :feels:
 
XYZpdq said:
I don't think so. Are they still a thing?
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They are, the last time I visited the Anaheim park there was a small handful.

For the uninitiated: there exists Disney inspired culture clubs. They’re basically groups of annual passholders that frequently visit dressed up in denim vests/jackets with their club backpack, not unlike a biker club. Except more spergy.

Edit: They’ve been dying out over the years with the climbing expense of annual passed but there are still some resiliently autistic remainders.

Heres a wiki on the subject: https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Disneyland_Social_Clubs
 
I saw someone in what looked like a straight up Snow White costume in Magic Kingdom the other day. Not a kid either, a grown 20 something woman.

Oh yeah, and another baffling trend I noticed: people buying merchandise that looked like various disney snacks. Want a plush dole whip? A bag that looks like a Mickey pretzel? You can buy one. Who is even buying this stuff?
 
Very Clever Nickname said:
I saw someone in what looked like a straight up Snow White costume in Magic Kingdom the other day. Not a kid either, a grown 20 something woman.

Oh yeah, and another baffling trend I noticed: people buying merchandise that looked like various disney snacks. Want a plush dole whip? A bag that looks like a Mickey pretzel? You can buy one. Who is even buying this stuff?
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Woman children
 
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