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I still can’t believe Disney partially owns Braveheart now.
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As much as I love Flynn and his design, a part of me wishes we'd gotten this guy, Bastion. he was the first draft, so to speak, for Flynn.
He's got a pretty nonstandard design for a Disney prince, and I really like it! There's something very.... I dunno, sweet? about him. I love gentle giant characters. It would have been cool to see him onscreen.
He's got a pretty nonstandard design for a Disney prince, and I really like it! There's something very.... I dunno, sweet? about him. I love gentle giant characters. It would have been cool to see him onscreen.
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Nigga, dats a Bara.As much as I love Flynn and his design, a part of me wishes we'd gotten this guy, Bastion. he was the first draft, so to speak, for Flynn.
He's got a pretty nonstandard design for a Disney prince, and I really like it! There's something very.... I dunno, sweet? about him. I love gentle giant characters. It would have been cool to see him onscreen.
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There's this tinfoil hat theory going among the Disney fandom that Lasseter has always resented the 2D Disney films for eclipsing Pixar, so once he turned into the head chief of Disney he tried his hardest to bring 2D down and force Disney to get into CGI. Hence why the next 2D films made under his reign were so underwhelming: the Princess and the Frog he made it a boring, preachy film and then forced a Winnie the Pooh film that nobody over the age of 3 would watch and premiered it on the same day as the final Harry Potter film. Then once it underperformed he'd throw some bullshit around about how "2D is Dead" and then force everything to be CGI.
Of course, that's just a theory.
Of course, that's just a theory.
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When was that ever the fucking case? There isn't a single Disney film Pixar didn't lap at the box office.
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You lost me there.
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Winnie-the-Pooh, I could believe, but then, they were trying to get back to the original, pre-2000s Disney take on Pooh, before it had become a preschool franchise. That, arguably, was the kiss of death for the film. Preschool movies never do well in theaters, not even the best, and when Pooh had the reputation of a preschool franchise... down it went. They barely used him after that, and it's shocking when you remember how popular he used to be.
Why would he resent the 2D films for eclipsing Pixar, though, considering that by the time Pixar's films were really getting popular, Disney's 2D stuff was all flopping? Eisner gave up on the 2D films in 2004, after all. He was so convinced that CGI was the future he was planning to remake the classics in CGI...
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A lame theory.
I don't know about the winnie the pooh movie, but Princess and the Frog was fucking awesome.
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Idk man, I get what you're saying with the whole preschool thing but fact is it opened the same day as the last Harry Potter movie which was suicide. The preschool thing would not have helped, but opening against the concluding film of a massively successful franchise was a monumentally stupid idea.
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The 2011 Winnie the Pooh movie, while definitely catered to a younger audience, was actually really good ... Whenever I have kids in the future, you can bet that this movie will be in the family collection.
I wish that Disney put that much effort in their movies again, tbh. The last two DISNEY movies over the past five years (not including all of the other properties they own) that didn't give me cancer were Moana and Christopher Robin.
I loved the first Frozen, and make no apologies about it. But given Disney's recent track record, I am kind of dreading Frozen II. The teaser looked good, but ... I'm still not very confident.
I wish that Disney put that much effort in their movies again, tbh. The last two DISNEY movies over the past five years (not including all of the other properties they own) that didn't give me cancer were Moana and Christopher Robin.
I loved the first Frozen, and make no apologies about it. But given Disney's recent track record, I am kind of dreading Frozen II. The teaser looked good, but ... I'm still not very confident.
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>implying that's a bad thing
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So whatever happened to that movie about Giants they were making? I liked the concept and ideas but I wasn't too fond of what little was explained about the characters. The idea of it set in Spain sounds interesting, but the characters and their interaction+development left little to be desired for me. Having Jack as some 20 something guy who just befriends a little 10 year old girl giant who just turns him into her personal abused doll for the comedic first half before realizing he's a living person with feelings is sort of meh.
For character interaction and development, I think it would honestly work better if both characters were around the same age and their interaction was one of an initially one-sided but later unexpected romance with an unhappy ending to kind of contrast against Beauty and the Beast and Little Mermaid, in where both characters do have mutual feelings for each other, but realize it could never work due how vastly different they are, and with no shrinking/growing magic around they would have to tearfully say goodbye. But even if that was the case, I still wasn't fond of it being CGI.
The part about stopping a storm giant invasion sounds kind of interesting, but that was already sort of done in Jack the Giant Slayer in 2013.
For character interaction and development, I think it would honestly work better if both characters were around the same age and their interaction was one of an initially one-sided but later unexpected romance with an unhappy ending to kind of contrast against Beauty and the Beast and Little Mermaid, in where both characters do have mutual feelings for each other, but realize it could never work due how vastly different they are, and with no shrinking/growing magic around they would have to tearfully say goodbye. But even if that was the case, I still wasn't fond of it being CGI.
The part about stopping a storm giant invasion sounds kind of interesting, but that was already sort of done in Jack the Giant Slayer in 2013.
You may be onto something there.
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They canceled it because they couldn't make it work.
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I remember when news of that broke out. I'm sure it sadden members of the staff that had worked on it. Still, at least it got some acknowledgement as a bootleg DVD cover in Zootopia, even if it no longer is relevant.
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Is it just me, or are the recent Pixar and WDAS' films becoming interchangeable at least from a visual standpoint? While the trailer for Onward didn't look too bad, it definitely looked more like a product from the main animation studio.
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Admittedly I don't pay close attention, but I thought Zootopia was Pixar until well after its release. I don't even remember how I finally noticed it wasn't.
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I'm just repeating what I've heard over the years in interviews found in different Disney forums and such.
Lasseter did dislike them, at least the early successful films, like Little Mermaid, Lion King, etc. It's stated he's the one responsible for adding the princess scene in Wreck It Ralph 2, and commented how he found the Disney princesses "unrelatable" and wanted to portray them in an unflattering way. As a way to make them "relatable", by turning them into weird "adorkable" girls who fart and make "deconstructive criticism" about their stories and are wacky but still STRONG AND INDEPENDENT blah blah blah. (I'll pass the quote later)
It's said Lasseter really disliked Lilo and Stitch and its creator, to the point that he made Chris Sanders (Lilo's director) forced to leave the studios after he demanded the project Sanders was working in turn from a Hitchock-like light thriller to a basic animal comedy (Bolt). Sanders was so pissed off about it that he left for Dreamworks to make the Dragon movies, where he was allowed more creative control I guess.
The whole 2D thing is just a theory, but it is established that at first, back in 2008-2009, Lasseter couldn't stop going on and on about how 2D was essential, a part of the studios, blah blah blah...But once Princess and the Frog didn't make the numbers Disney hoped for, he went in panic mode and started claiming how "2D is dead, we're not gonna make more fairy tale films since that genre is outdated"...But lo and behold, Tangled makes a lot more money a year later and his tune changes. It was due to Tangled's success that lead to Frozen's production to continue, since it had been put on hold after his words of continuing fairy tale films or not.
And the Winnie the Pooh thing was just another thing entirely. Lasseter rested his options of advancing 2D in a film that had been received very divisively (PATF), and a sequel based on a product that had the infamous public image of being toddler content (all those Winnie the Pooh direct to video sequels released years ago didn't help in the long run) releasing on the same day as the final Harry Potter film. If it's not the stupidest short-minded decision ever, it was an elaborate prank by the insiders to fully tank 2D and force the company to work only in CGI from now on.
Princess and the Frog can be beloved, but I think Disney was hoping it to be the next Lion King in numbers, and I feel in the mainstream audiences it didn't catch on like it did Tangled and Frozen. Not to mention the production of the film was met with controversy from the start, which lead to Disney rewriting the story over and over to satisfy the proto-SJWs of the time. That Tiana being a maid was racist, that her original name, Maddy, sounded too much like "Mammy", that portraying voodoo in a movie is satanic; that romanticizing the South, just after Hurricane Katrina, is insensitive; that Tiana's prince should be black to have a black prince; that he should be white to support interracial couples...The reason the final movie is a little uneven is due to being rewritten over and over so it's the most inoffensive thing possible. (and yet still Tumblr found a way for it to be offensive... 
The last film of his in the canon is Ralph Breaks the Internet, according to sources it's the last film that has Lasseter's personal touches or approvals before he was MeToo-ed. Frozen 2 is entirely a decision of the new chiefs, but it was talked about for years before. Time will tell what will happen afterwards, but usually Disney tells us of the next movies they plan in advance (of Disney themselves, not Pixar or the live action stuff). So far, they're only talking about Frozen 2...Which is not very promising. There are words of a Zootopia 2 and a few more "Moana-like" princess movies (AKA Minority princesses) coming, but they're just rumors at this point.
Lasseter did dislike them, at least the early successful films, like Little Mermaid, Lion King, etc. It's stated he's the one responsible for adding the princess scene in Wreck It Ralph 2, and commented how he found the Disney princesses "unrelatable" and wanted to portray them in an unflattering way. As a way to make them "relatable", by turning them into weird "adorkable" girls who fart and make "deconstructive criticism" about their stories and are wacky but still STRONG AND INDEPENDENT blah blah blah. (I'll pass the quote later)
It's said Lasseter really disliked Lilo and Stitch and its creator, to the point that he made Chris Sanders (Lilo's director) forced to leave the studios after he demanded the project Sanders was working in turn from a Hitchock-like light thriller to a basic animal comedy (Bolt). Sanders was so pissed off about it that he left for Dreamworks to make the Dragon movies, where he was allowed more creative control I guess.
The whole 2D thing is just a theory, but it is established that at first, back in 2008-2009, Lasseter couldn't stop going on and on about how 2D was essential, a part of the studios, blah blah blah...But once Princess and the Frog didn't make the numbers Disney hoped for, he went in panic mode and started claiming how "2D is dead, we're not gonna make more fairy tale films since that genre is outdated"...But lo and behold, Tangled makes a lot more money a year later and his tune changes. It was due to Tangled's success that lead to Frozen's production to continue, since it had been put on hold after his words of continuing fairy tale films or not.
And the Winnie the Pooh thing was just another thing entirely. Lasseter rested his options of advancing 2D in a film that had been received very divisively (PATF), and a sequel based on a product that had the infamous public image of being toddler content (all those Winnie the Pooh direct to video sequels released years ago didn't help in the long run) releasing on the same day as the final Harry Potter film. If it's not the stupidest short-minded decision ever, it was an elaborate prank by the insiders to fully tank 2D and force the company to work only in CGI from now on.
Princess and the Frog can be beloved, but I think Disney was hoping it to be the next Lion King in numbers, and I feel in the mainstream audiences it didn't catch on like it did Tangled and Frozen. Not to mention the production of the film was met with controversy from the start, which lead to Disney rewriting the story over and over to satisfy the proto-SJWs of the time. That Tiana being a maid was racist, that her original name, Maddy, sounded too much like "Mammy", that portraying voodoo in a movie is satanic; that romanticizing the South, just after Hurricane Katrina, is insensitive; that Tiana's prince should be black to have a black prince; that he should be white to support interracial couples...The reason the final movie is a little uneven is due to being rewritten over and over so it's the most inoffensive thing possible. (
The last film of his in the canon is Ralph Breaks the Internet, according to sources it's the last film that has Lasseter's personal touches or approvals before he was MeToo-ed. Frozen 2 is entirely a decision of the new chiefs, but it was talked about for years before. Time will tell what will happen afterwards, but usually Disney tells us of the next movies they plan in advance (of Disney themselves, not Pixar or the live action stuff). So far, they're only talking about Frozen 2...Which is not very promising. There are words of a Zootopia 2 and a few more "Moana-like" princess movies (AKA Minority princesses) coming, but they're just rumors at this point.
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As a kid I loved the fuck outta the jungle book, Emperor new groove and Fantasia ( Either the original or 2000), At;antis and the gargoyle cartoons (I know they're not movies but...)
Now I remembered them for being slightly half-ass and filled with more random cartoons.
Now I remembered them for being slightly half-ass and filled with more random cartoons.
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Ya know, I actually have to ask: Does Lasseter like animation? He worked for Disney as an animator, so he has to like the medium, but does he not like the 2D Disney films simply because it's Disney and they were at each other's throats for years before the buyout, or is this because he holds a grudge over being fired for daring to promote CGI (because the accusations toward "cheating" with Tron still stung), so he can't be obligated to like the films that came out after his termination? It'd be a pretty dick move if the only reason he took the job at Disney after the buyout was to slowly kill their animation studio out of a petty grudge or something.
Same question as above, but I totally believe he didn't like Sanders. Sanders honestly seems like the kind of guy who's hard to work with (being a perfectionist), but he pumps out good quality. Unless the only reason he hates the guy is because Sanders loves drawing curvy women and it's projection at its finest.
I've been 100% behind this theory for years now, I seriously don't believe it was sheer coincidence the two films came out the same weekend.
I remember a few of the Winnie the Pooh films being released in theaters, but then they stopped around the time 2D films were basically killed in the theatrical market because of the over-saturation.