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So I saw Frozen II in theaters. The critics have been pretty "meh" about it ... And once again, I'm going to disagree with the critics on this one. Give me this sequel over Toy Story 4, The Incredibles 2, and Ralph Breaks the Internet (all movies that critics unanimously praised) anyday.
I thought this movie was less kid-friendly than the first. As a result, I don't think it will be the box office juggernaut that the first movie was. However, I think that what we got was a quality movie where I could actually see EFFORT from Disney for once. They actually tried with this movie. I felt that most of the characters had gone through some growth from the first movie in this, which was nice. Even Olaf felt like a more well-rounded character in this, which surprised me.
I think the animation is really gorgeous and effectively fairytale-like, and I love the soundtrack. I don't think there's a "Let it Go" in this movie (which may be a good or bad thing depending on how you feel about that song), but I thought the soundtrack was definitely stronger than I had expected. Aside from two comedy songs (one of those comedy songs being really, really short), I thought the soundtrack had a very somber tone to it. It's lovely.
Critics are just butthurt that (a) Disney didn't cave in to the Twitter mobs who were asking for Elsa to "come out" as a lesbian, and (b) Disney didn't turn the plot into some political, agenda-driven message (which they could have easily done-- if you saw the movie, then you know what I mean). I dug this movie, and it's going to be the first Disney movie in a while that I'll happily get on Blu-Ray when it comes out.
EDIT: I guess I should list some of my cons with the movie?
The one major complaint that I have is how Kristoff was handled in the film. Not to spoil too much, but there's a certain direction this movie takes that everyone was pretty much expecting ... However, I never really felt that any of the screenwriters of this movie knew what to actually do with Kristoff once the actual plot started to kick off. They decided to give Kristoff the B-plot ... But then there wasn't enough attention made to the B-plot, really. I think there was a better way to place his character, but at the same time, they didn't do anything with the character that angered me, though. It's just a thing that I think could have been ironed out better.
Also, Kristoff has a song that could have easily been cut from the movie. However, the song is a fantastic homage to over the top 80's love ballads, and it's a really funny song. Not needed in the movie? Sure. But what the heck, I enjoyed it. Give me this song over that troll song (aka easily the worst song from the first Frozen) anyday.
I thought this movie was less kid-friendly than the first. As a result, I don't think it will be the box office juggernaut that the first movie was. However, I think that what we got was a quality movie where I could actually see EFFORT from Disney for once. They actually tried with this movie. I felt that most of the characters had gone through some growth from the first movie in this, which was nice. Even Olaf felt like a more well-rounded character in this, which surprised me.
I think the animation is really gorgeous and effectively fairytale-like, and I love the soundtrack. I don't think there's a "Let it Go" in this movie (which may be a good or bad thing depending on how you feel about that song), but I thought the soundtrack was definitely stronger than I had expected. Aside from two comedy songs (one of those comedy songs being really, really short), I thought the soundtrack had a very somber tone to it. It's lovely.
Critics are just butthurt that (a) Disney didn't cave in to the Twitter mobs who were asking for Elsa to "come out" as a lesbian, and (b) Disney didn't turn the plot into some political, agenda-driven message (which they could have easily done-- if you saw the movie, then you know what I mean). I dug this movie, and it's going to be the first Disney movie in a while that I'll happily get on Blu-Ray when it comes out.
EDIT: I guess I should list some of my cons with the movie?
The one major complaint that I have is how Kristoff was handled in the film. Not to spoil too much, but there's a certain direction this movie takes that everyone was pretty much expecting ... However, I never really felt that any of the screenwriters of this movie knew what to actually do with Kristoff once the actual plot started to kick off. They decided to give Kristoff the B-plot ... But then there wasn't enough attention made to the B-plot, really. I think there was a better way to place his character, but at the same time, they didn't do anything with the character that angered me, though. It's just a thing that I think could have been ironed out better.
Also, Kristoff has a song that could have easily been cut from the movie. However, the song is a fantastic homage to over the top 80's love ballads, and it's a really funny song. Not needed in the movie? Sure. But what the heck, I enjoyed it. Give me this song over that troll song (aka easily the worst song from the first Frozen) anyday.
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is it still frozen: the musical: the movie? I don't mind musical numbers, but frozen pushed like 5 through in the first 30 minutes and then remembered there's a plot somewhere.
if it's more in line with tangled I might actually watch it.
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Makes sense. The first film really took off as it did not only due to little girls and teens liking it but anti-Disney SJWs adored all the "subversive" twists that mocked classic Disney tropes. The sequel seems a more straightforward story, so that's instantly bad for critics obsessed over this "subverted expectations" nonsense.
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It's definitely a Frozen movie. Lots of songs. However, there is more of a plot to this movie than the first one. I would still say that it's closer to the first Frozen than it is Tangled, though.
I guess that if you aren't into Frozen, then I'd say you can skip this one.
The sequel is more of a straightforward story. I've actually heard quite a few complaints about this movie having a plot ... Because god forbid a movie has a plot these days. lol.
I personally love the first Frozen. Not a perfect movie of course, but I think it has a lot of heart to it. And I think that it's one of the very few things that did the "subvert your expectations" thing well ... To the point where I don't think it felt insulting to previous Disney movies (*cough cough* Ralph Breaks the Internet *cough cough*) and to the point where it was a crowd pleasing movie for all types of people. I just view Frozen as a story about a broken relationship between two sisters, and many view it as a feminist movie. The movie, to me, isn't so obvious about any sort of agenda, therefore different types of people can connect to different things regarding the movie. Lots of SJWs kept calling Frozen "so feminist," and yet I love the movie despite not being a feminist. The same can not be said for, let's say, The Last Jedi.
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The more I look back the less I like Toy Story 4, it just doesn't sit right with me to split up Buzz and Woody, their relationship is the core of the franchise, a lot more than Bo Peep and Woody.
Plus it was just kind of lacking in the humor and adventure departments, it wasn't a terrible movie, it had it's moments, but it also wasn't really necessary, 3 was the perfect ending and overall just such a better movie.
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I liked Toy Story 4 more than The Incredibles 2 (man ... Incredibles 2 was such a letdown) ... But I still don't think that Toy Story 4 was that good. It wasn't terrible ... But I know I will never buy a Blu-Ray of it to sit next to my Toy Story Trilogy Blu-Rays, and I know I will probably never watch the movie again.
I hate Woody's decision to leave everyone at the end; completely betrays the entire journey he's gone through in the previous 3 movies. It makes no sense. Plus, yes, I think it was a lame decision to place Bo Peep at a higher priority than Buzz freaking Lightyear.
Also, the humor in Toy Story 4 was severely lacking. That Buzz "inner voice" running gag was just so forced and unfunny, for example. I also wasn't into the Duck and Bunny characters.
Toy Story 3 was such a perfect ending that if they were going to make a fourth movie, then it had better be the best movie of all time. lol. Toy Story 4 wasn't even remotely close to that; it was incredibly mediocre. With a series like Toy Story, there are certain standards to be upheld ... And 4 just wasn't up to par.
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Not to mention the "woke" elements like Bo Peep, while it wasn't as obnoxious as other movies, it was still there, like the fact that the female villain never suffers any negative consequences for her actions, that's quite a contrast from the villains in 2 and 3 and of course making Buzz an idiot.
The only thing I really truly liked about the movie was the environment of an antique shop was an interesting setting, shame it was wasted in a middle of the road movie.
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Meanwhile, the reception has been more mixed where I am. Most people have found it bad, and the ones who just adore are your run of the mill Disney zombies. It doesn't seem to have a struck a chord with everyone the way the first film did.
There's this theory going around that Disney on purpose filled this year with underwhelming or bad movies so that people would flock to Disney+ to get "the good stuff".
There's this theory going around that Disney on purpose filled this year with underwhelming or bad movies so that people would flock to Disney+ to get "the good stuff".
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The French like Theme parks, and some of them particularly the historical themed ones put on a great show. They're also less risk averse (they seem willing to take the chance of a few guests getting injured) than Disney.
A lot of the Euro Disney trade were tourists, the established french parks seemed to survive quite comfortably with the year round trade.
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Meh.
It would have been waaaaay more effectively subversive to have Hans reluctantly (but rightly) kill Elsa in the end, because her sorcerous elemental powers had driven her completely insane.
Well, that, or just straight-up make him an equally powerful pyromancer.
We all know there's only one way Toy Story 4 should have gone down. Search your feelings. You know it to be true!
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Now you fuckers better be running the Johnny Tsunami and Heavyweights views up so we get sequels
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Heavyweights sequel: All the kids are dead from obesity-related heart disease, and its just two hours of Ben Stiller trying to drink away the pain.
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Heavyweights 2: the camp has become overcrowded due to the obesity epidemic. They have to break Ben Stiller out of the looney bin to whip everyone back into shape. They strap Kennan to a crane and use him as a wrecking ball to small the wall to his cell.
Movie ends with him fighting the kid from the first movie who rolls around like the flan dude in Courage the Cowardly Dog.
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Also the emotions on the CGI abominations faces dont match the emotions of the cute animals
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Had a few parents walk out when I went to see it during Anna's song "Next Best Thing" when their kids realized wtf was happening.
They kinda over emphasized the fact that Elsa did die and Olaf as well, I think. Though I'm still wondering is she even considered human now...Did like how when she fully moved into the forest its like fuck it eternal winter for you mythical forest.
Wasn't awful for a sequel at least, though Disney's gonna have to do a lot of park rebranding....
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Anna: I will cure my depression through an act of Eco-Terrorism
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Oh good god, those parents are absolute pansies. Granted, if their kids were screaming in the theater, then I understand walking out to not disturb other theater attendees ... But I swear, if I see some wine mom online outrage mob ...
"We can't expose our children to HUMAN EMOTIONS." Nevermind the fact that by the end of the song, Anna puts herself together and becomes the hero of the story. The song is about her overcoming her grief. The movie is about change-- good change and bad change, and how we handle/cope with those changes. That's something a lot of kids (and adults) can relate to, I think.
Don't get me wrong "The Next Right Thing" is a dark, somber song. I think it's okay to challenge kids with that stuff. Remember The Hunchback of Notre Dame? Remember The Lion King? Disney has had some dark moments in their films over the years; don't see how this particular movie crossed any line.
I commend this movie for not being a cinematic equivalent to shaking your car keys in front of a kid's face to shut them up for two hours like Wreck It Ralph 2 was, and even a non-Disney sequel like that obnoxious Lego Movie 2 was. I don't think Frozen 2 is perfect or anything (I think the pacing, especially in the third act, could have been more refined), but I did enjoy it, and it surprisingly felt fresh to me ... Probably because it was more earnest and sincere, and not "super meta" or agenda-driven like so many Disney movies these days. This could have easily been a lazy cash grab. I'm glad the movie wasn't like "Fuck you, it has Anna and Elsa in it; you'll see it regardless!"
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Anna and Elsa are absolutely the Villians of this story
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I mean ... That's one way of looking at it? Don't think I agree, though?
Arendelle was going to crumble beneath itself anyway because of a curse involving magic. To make the magical spirits un-curse the land, Anna had to undo the bad thing her grandfather did by breaking that dam, because the dam was a trick to conquer territory against unarmed people.
I didn't see any pro-eco terrorism message in this. lol. It's about a magical curse that had to be unbroken. That's about it. I didn't read that much into it at all.
I didn't see any pro-eco terrorism message in this. lol. It's about a magical curse that had to be unbroken. That's about it. I didn't read that much into it at all.