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Which is Better

  • Chicken Little

    Votes: 433 27.4%

  • Hunchback 2

    Votes: 57 3.6%

  • A slow death

    Votes: 1,088 68.9%
  • Total voters
    1,578
Moving back to "Disney Classic"...

Watching the original Disney Aladdin as a (possibly young) person of indeterminate age in theaters, is one of my fondest early memories... But even still, I think "Homer Simpson Genie" got a bad rap in "Return of Jafar"- Was he as good as Robin Williams? No, obviously not... But in retrospect, at least he wasn't as bad as Will Smith...
That sequel itself was still better than average, especially compared to nearly every other "Disney Sequel" (Exceptions being Rescuers Down Under, which came earlier- and was amazing, and Lion King 2 which came later, and was also really good) and I still like every part of this next bit:
(Ironically, the animation here actually *is* "second rate" compared to other Disney films at the time, but that only makes me laugh even more.)

I don't have a "list of top 10 Disney villain songs" (mostly because I'm nobody, and literally nobody would even care if I did) but *if* I had such a list, this song is super fun, and would definitely be on it... It's literally "Friend Like Me, but evil" and the line "Granny's gonna grab ya" alone made me laugh more than Disney villain songs typically do >_< and maybe I'm glad Jafar got a "villain song" that wasn't just a shitty reprise of another song on the soundtrack like in the original Aladdin...
 
Came across this today -a version of "Let it Go" with only ambient sounds and no background music.


Am I wrong to think this is actually kind of awesome? A desolate character singing a song in a desolate wasteland, with nothing but the sound of the environment to accompany them strikes me as more meaningful than a song with the full orchestra treatment. I wouldn't mind seeing this done with other Disney songs...
 
Pokemonquistador2 said:
Came across this today -a version of "Let it Go" with only ambient sounds and no background music.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sH75twH05rw
Am I wrong to think this is actually kind of awesome? A desolate character singing a song in a desolate wasteland, with nothing but the sound of the environment to accompany them strikes me as more meaningful than a song with the full orchestra treatment. I wouldn't mind seeing this done with other Disney songs...
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I never saw frozen, but that was neat.
 
UnKillFill said:
Moving back to "Disney Classic"...

Watching the original Disney Aladdin as a (possibly young) person of indeterminate age in theaters, is one of my fondest early memories... But even still, I think "Homer Simpson Genie" got a bad rap in "Return of Jafar"- Was he as good as Robin Williams? No, obviously not... But in retrospect, at least he wasn't as bad as Will Smith...
That sequel itself was still better than average, especially compared to nearly every other "Disney Sequel" (Exceptions being Rescuers Down Under, which came earlier- and was amazing, and Lion King 2 which came later, and was also really good) and I still like every part of this next bit:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=10S428LRcUY (Ironically, the animation here actually *is* "second rate" compared to other Disney films at the time, but that only makes me laugh even more.)

I don't have a "list of top 10 Disney villain songs" (mostly because I'm nobody, and literally nobody would even care if I did) but *if* I had such a list, this song is super fun, and would definitely be on it... It's literally "Friend Like Me, but evil" and the line "Granny's gonna grab ya" alone made me laugh more than Disney villain songs typically do >_< and maybe I'm glad Jafar got a "villain song" that wasn't just a shitty reprise of another song on the soundtrack like in the original Aladdin...
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I think the animation for this can be excused since this was intended to be the pilot to the TV series and it looks like it. Besides, there's far worse looking Disney sequels out there, like those "sequels" that were quite literally just TV episodes that somehow look worse than Disney's actual TV output. Besides, I kind liked the part with Genie trying to take down Jafar before the song itself started, felt pretty fluid for what it was worth.
 
UnKillFill said:
I don't have a "list of top 10 Disney villain songs" (mostly because I'm nobody, and literally nobody would even care if I did) but *if* I had such a list, this song is super fun, and would definitely be on it... It's literally "Friend Like Me, but evil" and the line "Granny's gonna grab ya" alone made me laugh more than Disney villain songs typically do >_< and maybe I'm glad Jafar got a "villain song" that wasn't just a shitty reprise of another song on the soundtrack like in the original Aladdin...
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Top ten would just be Hellfire, Hellfire and well it's Hellfire all the way down.

I don't know who the hell worked on Hunchback but they need to come back.
 
eternal dog mongler said:
Top ten would just be Hellfire, Hellfire and well it's Hellfire all the way down.

I don't know who the hell worked on Hunchback but they need to come back.
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That's definitely a good one, but there are others that belong on such a list as well.
 
UnKillFill said:
But even still, I think "Homer Simpson Genie" got a bad rap in "Return of Jafar"- Was he as good as Robin Williams? No, obviously not... But in retrospect, at least he wasn't as bad as Will Smith...
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People are (or were) harsh on him not because of how he sounded, but the writing that he had no control over. It was just a little too obvious that the writers were trying to write stuff that Robin Williams might improv (both in Return of Jafar and the Aladdin TV series), but for some reason the backlash skipped over the writers and onto Dan Castellaneta instead.
 
Pokemonquistador2 said:
Came across this today -a version of "Let it Go" with only ambient sounds and no background music.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sH75twH05rw
Am I wrong to think this is actually kind of awesome? A desolate character singing a song in a desolate wasteland, with nothing but the sound of the environment to accompany them strikes me as more meaningful than a song with the full orchestra treatment. I wouldn't mind seeing this done with other Disney songs...
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It's a cool idea, but I think they only got lucky with Elsa because Idina is a trained singer who's been on Broadway (she does really well with the a cappella, but we haven't heard her do it a cappella that I'm aware of). If they hired more trained singers like her and made the environment much more creative, I think they'd be able to pull it off, but it's probably the most unique to have done it for the perfect storm that was Frozen. And that ship's already sailed.

Real shame, really. I don't even think any other studio would be able to pull it off but Disney. Maybe DreamWorks, but look what's happened to them.
 
MysticMisty said:
People are (or were) harsh on him not because of how he sounded, but the writing that he had no control over. It was just a little too obvious that the writers were trying to write stuff that Robin Williams might improv (both in Return of Jafar and the Aladdin TV series), but for some reason the backlash skipped over the writers and onto Dan Castellaneta instead.
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They couldn't exactly get Robin Williams because they promoted his acting in the film despite the fact he didn't want that, so you can't blame them for trying to recreate the magic.
 
Steamboat_Bill said:
They couldn't exactly get Robin Williams because they promoted his acting in the film despite the fact he didn't want that, so you can't blame them for trying to recreate the magic.
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Yeah but even if this wasn't a problem I don't know if he would've wanted to go back to TV work anyways. I say that knowing they got him for the other direct to video movie, but still.
 
Pokemonquistador2 said:
Came across this today -a version of "Let it Go" with only ambient sounds and no background music.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=sH75twH05rw
Am I wrong to think this is actually kind of awesome? A desolate character singing a song in a desolate wasteland, with nothing but the sound of the environment to accompany them strikes me as more meaningful than a song with the full orchestra treatment. I wouldn't mind seeing this done with other Disney songs...
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That was really neat, not sure how many how many of those environmental sounds were edits or always there and just covered up by the orchestra but I loved the tiny details of her voice being slightly muffled by snow and the camera distance, the echoes off the mountain and castle walls, the tiny clattering when she throws her tiara. Really great details.
 
MysticMisty said:
People are (or were) harsh on him not because of how he sounded, but the writing that he had no control over. It was just a little too obvious that the writers were trying to write stuff that Robin Williams might improv (both in Return of Jafar and the Aladdin TV series), but for some reason the backlash skipped over the writers and onto Dan Castellaneta instead.
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I think the people who bashed Dan thought that he was the one trying too hard and not the writers. I don't think it helped that he dipped into his Homer and Earthworm Jim at points.
 
eternal dog mongler said:
Top ten would just be Hellfire, Hellfire and well it's Hellfire all the way down.

I don't know who the hell worked on Hunchback but they need to come back.
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no
because Jafar's thumb is number one on every list
:smug:

Aladdin (the original) is the best Disney movie by far. I rewatched it recently and found yet another thing to be shocked and amazed by: how many different classic adventure environments / challenges they were able to stick into 90 minutes of movie. There's the desert, a city/rooftop chase, a dungeon, a natural cave, lava, drowning, frost, and a giant snake! Fuck yes.

Male protagonists >>>>>>>>>>>>> female protagonists. As soon as an exec decides girls (as s/he imagines them) should be the target audience, a movie automatically gets worse.
 
Safir said:
no
because Jafar's thumb is number one on every list
:smug:

Aladdin (the original) is the best Disney movie by far. I rewatched it recently and found yet another thing to be shocked and amazed by: how many different classic adventure environments / challenges they were able to stick into 90 minutes of movie. There's the desert, a city/rooftop chase, a dungeon, a natural cave, lava, drowning, frost, and a giant snake! Fuck yes.

Male protagonists >>>>>>>>>>>>> female protagonists. As soon as an exec decides girls (as s/he imagines them) should be the target audience, a movie automatically gets worse.
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Aladdin was always my favorite of the ones I saw growing up for the reasons you mention, it was such a great adventure story.

However I disagree about the male protagonists versus female protagonists thing, a female protagonist can be just as compelling, it just depends on how it's done, modern "Mary Sue" style storytelling is not the right way.
 
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