Disney is developing planned communities for fans who never want to leave its clutches

From The Uncanny Valley · Feb 20, 2022

verifymejoshuaconnormoon said:
this reminds me of the sodosopa episode from south park but even more ridiciolous somehow. especially the concept art they showed. their employees are barely scraping by but they decide to expand and make more money.

honestly the only benefit i can see to these soy reservations is that it’s a containment zone for disney adults that hopefully they won’t leave. good things there’s shops there so they can get their overpriced disney themed 3000kcal food and not radiate cancer and body odor to the public

Disney spergs are a drain on society, they need to be contained for the greater good.

veri · Feb 20, 2022

From The Uncanny Valley said:
Disney spergs are a drain on society, they need to be contained for the greater good.

honestly thinking about it i’m on board with the idea the disney concentration camps would be a net benefit to society

northstar747 · Feb 20, 2022

ProblematicUser420 said:
I was eating breakfast at Denny's the other day and heard two grown men debating what 3 super powers they would pick if they could, and this conversation went on for the whole time I was there.

Too many people not living in reality as it is, and now they're going to open up this shit. The world is doomed.

Years ago I was in a jewish deli having a sandwhich and over heard two dudes talking about the diablo 3 auction house....god damn it bugged me for some reason.

Toolbox · Feb 20, 2022

IAmNotAlpharius said:
Wasn’t that what Walt wanted to do with Epcot?

As Lawgiver said, Epcot was a stupid idea but nowhere near as bad as this. Epcot was essentially a 50's futurist's utopia, a centrally planned city that would utilize every possible efficiency in design while still being livable, the bad part was it being entirely corporately controlled by Disney, with Disney employees given pretty much all maintenance control at a minimum. But it wasn't just a barely upscaled suburb with a bunch of Disneyland propaganda and overpriced consoomer material, at least not in Walt's vision.

Snekposter · Feb 20, 2022

Larry David's Opera Cape said:
You think that's eerie, check the lyrics to RHCP "Californication"

And California Uber Alles wound up being prophetic.

Kramer on the phone · Feb 20, 2022

Dom Cruise said:
Brave New World is another eerily prophetic novel, read that one in 2013.

You almost wonder if Aldous Huxley had some inside knowledge or something, for a book written in the 1930s it's insanely prophetic.

its not prophetic so much as the void of nothingness the nazis talked about if they lost the war came true. Just look at art or politics, people having the same discussions that were still being argued or were settled back in the 1920s. art critics were already bored of meta bullshit by the early 1930s, and yet Red Letter Media/Reddit discovered a massive boner for that last year. Same with the Ship of Thesus crap that only recently has been discovered by normies who thanks to the Flynn Effect can finally handle such ideas in their media.

Everything Huxley talked about in the book had such a clear thing it was referencing that it was as hamfisted as Don't Look Up feels today. the only difference is that time has made those old references to things such as car CEO's with a cult of personality seem brand new.

For fucks sake Santa was literally created by coke in the 1920s, its a fuckload easier believing in the genius of corporations and the idiocy of the plebs when you could see in real time the creation of multiple holidays. When in your lifetime has the corporations invented a new fucking gift requiring holiday?

northstar747 said:
Years ago I was in a jewish deli having a sandwhich and over heard two dudes talking about the diablo 3 auction house....god damn it bugged me for some reason.

you think thats obnoxious imagine the faggy conversations Quentin Tarrantino had with his friends back in the 1980s

Also we're all being played. Disney won't ever get this shit off the ground. its literally something to shake in front of shareholders because much like a woman on valentine's day they require something shown to them or else they'll leave.

Its the thought that counts and when this gets too expensive and they can't find the buyers they'll abandon it. Enough disney nuts have the memories of the last half dozen times disney pulled this to know not to buy in. Like others have said, if there was one group i wouldn't want building my community its fucking Disney. the last time they were known for their quality Walt was in charge. I'd literally trust Null over any person employed by the mouse the last 50 years.

As for the parks, as much as people bitch, Eisner's era will be known as the last time it was great for middle class people to go to the parks. For fucks sake they even had a small gang problem because teenagers would hang out there (in tomrrowland specifically) . Plus if you were a disney nut you'd have learned the fast pass system and it was easy enough for any dope to learn, you didn't even need to set up some obnoxious itinerary either . even up until 2013 you didn't have to be rich for the parks to be fun. Between fastpass+ and bob's honesty about going full rollercoaster tycoon and charging as much as guests have on them Disney will do great but will soon have the same feeling that Mexican resorts have, they'll be a tourist trap for the rich tourists who come to the country exclusively to visit the parks, its easier to charge a millionaire 10k a day rather than convince 20 idiots to pay $500 a day, and it'll be less hassle on the machines and on the cast themselves, suddenly employee satisfaction also ends up skyrocketing because the stress goes down and the actual work becomes much less too. Its why those mexican resort jobs are seen with the same prestige and honor as costco jobs are to retail workers, near impossible to get but if you do you're set for life. Its like Dubai, the citizens are slaves to the rich tourists that visit there.

Honestly at this point its literally cheaper to get a group together for the VIP bullshit than do the hassle of planning your whole fucking trip down to the minute. Like you can save money paying for 10 people than say do the Star Wars landcruise for the same group, plus you don't have to stay at some dogshit resort in the park. And the way they keep jacking up prices you do have to wonder if that isn't the direction they're going in.

Brahma · Feb 20, 2022

It'll make a cool place to visit in Fallout: NCR

Xarpho · Feb 20, 2022

Agent Abe Caprine said:
So a company town but homosexual.

Like I said with the canned Alphabet Inc. bugmen hive in Canada, there’s nothing wrong with a giant corporation developing communities IF they’re fairly divorced from the company as a whole.

Case in point, Exxon did develop a number of big suburbs around Houston (probably others too) via a subsidiary. You cannot tell that Exxon had any involvement in the development, however, and there was nothing that connected the residents to Exxon. Sure, there’s going to be an army of soy golems talking about it being a “car-centric development”, but they say that about everything that’s not New Urbanism.

Tasty Tatty · Feb 20, 2022

feedtheoctopus said:
See I'm just thinking what a weird thing that is to hate. Why Brazilians specifically? Like I live in a place where I half expect to run into fucking Fieval from American Tale whenever I put down a mouse trap, and I still have never given the Brazilians of all people much thought. I've heard complaints about the Puerto Ricans, the Chinese, the Russians, the Muslims, the Polish, whatever but the fuckin' Brazilians? Who the fuck talks about the Brazilians enough to hate them in America? In the Lexicon of American bigotry I've yet to hear the Brazilians get more then a passing mention.

Like you gotta put some effort into hating Brazilians. How many Brazilians this bitch actually encounter? No, she had to SEEK OUT that kind of dislike. I can't think of a single natural path in which a white woman comes into enough contact with the people of Brazil to hate them.

Like what, is she sitting around seething about Bolsanaro and the rainforest or what? What's happening here? What caused this?

I can't even think of a meaningful stereotype about brazilians. They like soccer and butts I guess. But is that I reason to hate anybody!?

Maybe they're Argentinians?

northstar747 · Feb 20, 2022

Kramer on the phone said:
its not prophetic so much as the void of nothingness the nazis talked about if they lost the war came true. Just look at art or politics, people having the same discussions that were still being argued or were settled back in the 1920s. art critics were already bored of meta bullshit by the early 1930s, and yet Red Letter Media/Reddit discovered a massive boner for that last year. Same with the Ship of Thesus crap that only recently has been discovered by normies who thanks to the Flynn Effect can finally handle such ideas in their media.

Everything Huxley talked about in the book had such a clear thing it was referencing that it was as hamfisted as Don't Look Up feels today. the only difference is that time has made those old references to things such as car CEO's with a cult of personality seem brand new.

For fucks sake Santa was literally created by coke in the 1920s, its a fuckload easier believing in the genius of corporations and the idiocy of the plebs when you could see in real time the creation of multiple holidays. When in your lifetime has the corporations invented a new fucking gift requiring holiday?

you think thats obnoxious imagine the faggy conversations Quentin Tarrantino had with his friends back in the 1980s

Also we're all being played. Disney won't ever get this shit off the ground. its literally something to shake in front of shareholders because much like a woman on valentine's day they require something shown to them or else they'll leave.

Its the thought that counts and when this gets too expensive and they can't find the buyers they'll abandon it. Enough disney nuts have the memories of the last half dozen times disney pulled this to know not to buy in. Like others have said, if there was one group i wouldn't want building my community its fucking Disney. the last time they were known for their quality Walt was in charge. I'd literally trust Null over any person employed by the mouse the last 50 years.

Disney isnt building it. They are basically "partnering with devoplers" aka they are gonna license their name and some stupid park gimicks.

I havent been to disney in like 30 years now. I get what your saying getting a rich family to pay 10K vs 20 at 500. also disney being a mecha for people is soo fucking weird.

Remember the 1990s when everyone had a home video library of all the disney movies in the whit clam cases, from the disney vault oh yeah

The Cunting Death · Feb 20, 2022

From The Uncanny Valley said:
I want all the "anti-capitalists" to move there so i never have to hear their bullshit again

has anyone realized these commie larpers are most of the time actual autists (like diagnosed) who would have never gotten anywhere in life without the help from a capitalist society?
Communism would have fucking killed them for being different

glib · Feb 20, 2022

Marcus the Mong · Feb 20, 2022

Consoomer city-states for the upper middle class to escape the anarcho-tyranny.

XYZpdq · Feb 20, 2022

northstar747 said:
Disney isnt building it. They are basically "partnering with devoplers" aka they are gonna license their name and some stupid park gimicks.

I havent been to disney in like 30 years now. I get what your saying getting a rich family to pay 10K vs 20 at 500. also disney being a mecha for people is soo fucking weird.

Remember the 1990s when everyone had a home video library of all the disney movies in the whit clam cases, from the disney vault oh yeah

is there info if this is building on new land or stuff Disney already owned?
I saw somebody speculating that this might be The Mouse trying to hedge their bets on the cheap against future Just Two Weeks with real estate they already have.

northstar747 · Feb 20, 2022

XYZpdq said:
is there info if this is building on new land or stuff Disney already owned?
I saw somebody speculating that this might be The Mouse trying to hedge their bets on the cheap against future Just Two Weeks with real estate they already have.

Well the article says this

"As reported by USA Today, although Disney is branding and marketing these communities, it will not own, build, or sell the homes. Instead, it will be partnering with third-party developers to carry out this work.
Cotino, for example, is being built by DMB Development, a company that’s constructed a number of luxury communities in the US and"

Basically Disney will be doing something like value add on.

Dom Cruise · Feb 20, 2022

Kramer on the phone said:
its not prophetic so much as the void of nothingness the nazis talked about if they lost the war came true. Just look at art or politics, people having the same discussions that were still being argued or were settled back in the 1920s. art critics were already bored of meta bullshit by the early 1930s, and yet Red Letter Media/Reddit discovered a massive boner for that last year. Same with the Ship of Thesus crap that only recently has been discovered by normies who thanks to the Flynn Effect can finally handle such ideas in their media.

Everything Huxley talked about in the book had such a clear thing it was referencing that it was as hamfisted as Don't Look Up feels today. the only difference is that time has made those old references to things such as car CEO's with a cult of personality seem brand new.

For fucks sake Santa was literally created by coke in the 1920s, its a fuckload easier believing in the genius of corporations and the idiocy of the plebs when you could see in real time the creation of multiple holidays. When in your lifetime has the corporations invented a new fucking gift requiring holiday?

I've heard the "Coke invented Santa" thing is not actually true, but your point still stands, however it's still impressive for Huxley to extrapolate as far as he did as far back as he did.

Kramer on the phone said:
you think thats obnoxious imagine the faggy conversations Quentin Tarrantino had with his friends back in the 1980s

Like Madonna singing about big dicks in Like A Virgin?

Kramer on the phone said:
Also we're all being played. Disney won't ever get this shit off the ground. its literally something to shake in front of shareholders because much like a woman on valentine's day they require something shown to them or else they'll leave.

Its the thought that counts and when this gets too expensive and they can't find the buyers they'll abandon it. Enough disney nuts have the memories of the last half dozen times disney pulled this to know not to buy in. Like others have said, if there was one group i wouldn't want building my community its fucking Disney. the last time they were known for their quality Walt was in charge. I'd literally trust Null over any person employed by the mouse the last 50 years.

As for the parks, as much as people bitch, Eisner's era will be known as the last time it was great for middle class people to go to the parks. For fucks sake they even had a small gang problem because teenagers would hang out there (in tomrrowland specifically) . Plus if you were a disney nut you'd have learned the fast pass system and it was easy enough for any dope to learn, you didn't even need to set up some obnoxious itinerary either . even up until 2013 you didn't have to be rich for the parks to be fun. Between fastpass+ and bob's honesty about going full rollercoaster tycoon and charging as much as guests have on them Disney will do great but will soon have the same feeling that Mexican resorts have, they'll be a tourist trap for the rich tourists who come to the country exclusively to visit the parks, its easier to charge a millionaire 10k a day rather than convince 20 idiots to pay $500 a day, and it'll be less hassle on the machines and on the cast themselves, suddenly employee satisfaction also ends up skyrocketing because the stress goes down and the actual work becomes much less too. Its why those mexican resort jobs are seen with the same prestige and honor as costco jobs are to retail workers, near impossible to get but if you do you're set for life. Its like Dubai, the citizens are slaves to the rich tourists that visit there.

Honestly at this point its literally cheaper to get a group together for the VIP bullshit than do the hassle of planning your whole fucking trip down to the minute. Like you can save money paying for 10 people than say do the Star Wars landcruise for the same group, plus you don't have to stay at some dogshit resort in the park. And the way they keep jacking up prices you do have to wonder if that isn't the direction they're going in.

I hate the idea of never going back to WDW, but it's getting too damn expensive, last trip I took there was in 2015 and if I only knew that would probably be the last time.

The Lawgiver · Feb 20, 2022

Kramer on the phone said:
For fucks sake Santa was literally created by coke in the 1920s, its a fuckload easier believing in the genius of corporations and the idiocy of the plebs when you could see in real time the creation of multiple holidays. When in your lifetime has the corporations invented a new fucking gift requiring holiday?

Santa wasn't created by coke, that's fucking wrong and shit propagated by clickbait articles ranting about capitalism. He was used by them in popular ads but thats about it. He's been depicted in a variety of outfits including the red one, but maybe the red ones just stuck moreover time. It's how you've got the "fancy santas" and shit. He's actually a weird mix of things spawned from several culture sources like a lot of stuff tied to christianity. One of which being a real ass dude called saint nicholas, one of which being Odin, some other things here and there I'm too lazy to look at, my pointis the concept of thejolly old fat guy with the army of short people giving gifts to good kids on christmas has been around for a long while asa tradition. Some of the various regional santa lores are fucking wild and funny shit in terms of punishments, like sending a goatman named krampus to harass the really naughty kids or having his elves literally kidnap the shitter kids and send them to spain.

Acting like Coke made santa instead of just co-opting what was there is similar to taking disney acting like they made marvel or lucasfilm shit from before the buyout. If I had a fucking dime for how ofted they claim that shit isa"disney movie", or how prevelent marvels or star wars shits been in disney's political ads these past few years I'd have like a few dollars probably.
At least some funny content's come out of both situations, the coke/santa situation has had a lot moretime to fester, though.

TowinKarz · Feb 20, 2022

Toolbox said:
As Lawgiver said, Epcot was a stupid idea but nowhere near as bad as this. Epcot was essentially a 50's futurist's utopia, a centrally planned city that would utilize every possible efficiency in design while still being livable, the bad part was it being entirely corporately controlled by Disney, with Disney employees given pretty much all maintenance control at a minimum. But it wasn't just a barely upscaled suburb with a bunch of Disneyland propaganda and overpriced consoomer material, at least not in Walt's vision.

That's the best way to describe the utter foolishness of this current plan, it's a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy, a pale stereotype of an already-failed 90's tract development that in turn was meant to capture the spirit of an out-of-date 50's utopia, and it's all built by the lowest-bidding contractor in a fucking desert.

Snekposter · Feb 20, 2022

The Lawgiver said:
having his elves literally kidnap the shitter kids and send them to spain.

Jesus, talk about a fate worse than death.

Xarpho · Feb 20, 2022

Toolbox said:
As Lawgiver said, Epcot was a stupid idea but nowhere near as bad as this. Epcot was essentially a 50's futurist's utopia, a centrally planned city that would utilize every possible efficiency in design while still being livable, the bad part was it being entirely corporately controlled by Disney, with Disney employees given pretty much all maintenance control at a minimum. But it wasn't just a barely upscaled suburb with a bunch of Disneyland propaganda and overpriced consoomer material, at least not in Walt's vision.

Not even the original Disneyland was particularly "consoomer". As I stated in in another thread, the Disney theme parks were an entity of their own and while it obviously had nods to the films Disney had made up until 1955 (Cinderella castle, spinning tea cups, Dumbo ride, etc.) they had, in their first 30 or so years of existence all sorts of original concepts that weren't in any Disney film. Main Street USA, Tomorrowland, It's a Small World, Country Bears, Haunted Mansion, EPCOT Center (as it opened), and many more weren't based after existing properties, and in many cases, were looted for movie ideas as early as the Eisner days.

However, the talent that created that is almost completely gone, retired years ago, and replaced with diversity hire hacks who will just slap an existing movie property on an off-the-shelf ride and call it a day. But despite some impressively excellent documentation of just about everything related to the parks, the Disney theme park stans don't understand that fact.

They'll wax nostalgic about 20k Leagues Under the Sea, Main Street Electrical Parade, Fidget, and everything else fallen by the wayside (and have some excellent documentation of just about everything related to the parks) but then welcome whatever nu-Imagineering shits out, usually some bastardization of an original concept into a movie advertisement, and bad ideas are only criticized after the fact (Superstar Limo, Light Magic, "The Enchanted Tiki Room Under New Management", etc.). Yesterland embodies this philosophy perfectly with everything I said (the part about keeping autistic records, waxing nostalgic, criticizing attractions only after death, and gladly eating shit from nu-Imagineering) but I doubt that's an uncommon sentiment.

Disney is developing planned communities for fans who never want to leave its clutches