Do you believe in the Supernatural? - Ghosts, the fae, demons, Oswald was a lone shooter, and other such things

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You mean like ghosts and shit like that? No, I don't and I never have. I also don't believe in demons demonic possession and so on. The only time anyone will ever see a demon is in a video game a movie or the cover of an 80's heavy metal album. Otherwise, that shit doesn't exist. I also don't believe in any of that weird new age shit. Astrology is a bunch of superstitious BS.

The only thing I do believe is real are UFO's alien abductions cattle mutilations. That's because there is actual evidence backing it up. If you consider that to be supernatural then yeah, I do. But that would be about it.
 
Not to be a complete knob but it depends on the definition of super natural. I believe there are parts of nature we haven't seen or can't explain with normal science but that has been the case throughout our entire existence. The duck-billed platypus was thought to be a joke when it was originally found.

But ghosts and fairies and magic? I don't think so, as nice as it would be for it to be real.
 
To a certain extent, yes. There are absolutely things out there that are beyond human understanding, perception, or comprehension. I especially believe in the ability for individuals that are close to one another, such as twins, to 'communicate' subconsciously or perceive things from the other that they otherwise shouldn't be able to. Even far apart. I don't think it's anything that's able to be mastered or called upon at will, however. Angels and demons exist.

Having said that, I do feel as though the vast majority of "supernatural" experiences are explainable or hype based on tall tales. People want to believe, to a large extent. Self-proclaimed psychics, mediums, and "haunted" places in particular are exceptionally underwhelming. I believe in alien life forms existing in the universe, but not UFOs and such in our skies. Sasquatch is nonsense. Astrology and tarot cards are both nonsense. Prophetic dreams are somewhere in the middle for me, as something that seems potentially valid but also is explainable through scientific means of coincidence and selection bias.
 
No, don't believe in ghosts. Have had a bunch of weird dream experiences throughout my life, but not ghosts.
I think a lot of the stories you hear about "haunted houses" is sleep paralysis. I've only had sleep paralysis hallucinations happen during stressful times in my life, or from drug use back when I was a teenager. I suspect people who are sleeping/living in what they think is a haunted house are just having stress induced sleep paralysis hallucinations. Some probably just drunk/high.
 
The idea of supernatural-ness is a little odd to begin with. What exactly would constitute "supernatural"? If something exists in the universe then that would make it natural.

It seems like the only stuff that could really be classified as "supernatural" are things that violate natural physical laws, and that I don't believe in.
 
please go the schizophrenic Gnostic route.
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I think that which we can interact with via our senses is only a small part of that which 'exists.' For example, if you've ever tripped psychedelics before, you start perceiving new things. Those things exist too within your perception, you just normally don't perceive them until you eat a bunch of drugs (or smoke or boof or whatever I don't discriminate). There are ways to perceive other things that don't 'exist,' which IMO calls the trustworthiness of our senses into question.

I think there's stuff that we can't perceive or comprehend which would be called "supernatural" but I do think that stuff exists.
 
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Every single person I've met who said they didn't believe in the supernatural in any way was either boring or completely up their own ass.

So in an effort to avoid ending up like that, I choose to believe in the supernatural. Nein! Ein fact, I vill choose to believe in ze ÜBERNATÜRAL!
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I pretty much have to believe by default, because I've seen shit I can't explain.

The thing I keep most remembering is what I call the "flying trash fire incident."

Quick setup, at the time I lived with my grandmother in a two-story house in the woods. We had neighbors but like, they were on the other side of a line of trees and not visible (or in one case, barely visible) from where we were, and my grandma's house was at the top of a hilly area.

So one day I was in my second floor bedroom watching a movie, and out the window I start seeing this... it looked and was moving like a piece of paper that was on fire, doing flips and kinda riding the wind, but somehow not burning up. I paused the movie right there and just watched this piece of paper (and nothing like this was in the movie). After awhile, it drifted down past the boundary of the window. I watched it then got worried it was gonna land on the back porch and set it on fire, so I ran downstairs and outback to stomp it out.

It wasn't there, and I didn't find ashes or anything.

Also I looked at the nearest neighbor from the back porch but saw no signs they had a bonfire or anything... because I mean, that is the most obvious explanation, that this was literal trash that just happened to drift here, right? But that didn't make sense as one, the nearest neighbor wasn't bonfiring, and two, I've seen paper on fire before and it usually is used up in like seconds, but this kept dancing at my window for quite awhile.

It was weird and I keep remembering it.

This isn't my only story, but it is one that keeps coming to my mind.
 
The idea of supernatural-ness is a little odd to begin with. What exactly would constitute "supernatural"? If something exists in the universe then that would make it natural.

It seems like the only stuff that could really be classified as "supernatural" are things that violate natural physical laws, and that I don't believe in.
That is a good point. If something seemingly fantastical actually follows identifiable “laws” governing its behavior and behaves in a repeatable and predictable manner, at that point it just becomes a matter of Clarke’s Third Law. Even something as commonplace as electricity would certainly appear supernatural to someone who does not understand what it is.

If, say, what we think of as ghosts/spirits really do exist but they’re actually just life forms whose bodies are composed of an unknown form of energy, then they wouldn’t really be “supernatural”, just a naturally-existing scientific phenomena that has yet to be identified.

I think the only things that can be truly supernatural are things that exist outside of the laws of our universe. For example if the universe is in fact a simulation, the person running the simulation (“god”, so to speak) wouldn’t be beholden to the same laws and parameters governing our universe, and would thus be considered “supernatural” to our reference frame.
 
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I'm strangely skeptical of such things for a religious person, and I don't generally believe in such things. That said, I've heard a few credible stories and seen a couple of strange things. I'm not sure how much would be supernatural vs. simply unknown to our current sciences.

For example, in my neck of the woods, we have these "crawlers." Their bodies are about the size of a German shepherd, but with weird, long legs, no fur, and rodent like heads. Nobody's shot one yet to bring back the body, but I've seen them as have a lot of locals. I'm not sure if that qualifies as supernatural though, they're probably just some unknown beastie.
 
I try to be reasonable but there have been some experiences that I could not explain. I don't care to go into detail but some of it was creepy and straight up terrifying.
 
If you define "supernatural" as "phenomenons not explainable by the laws of physics", then yes. The world is just a little too weird to think that hard matter is the sum total of reality.
That’s kinda the problem though, the laws of physics are descriptive, not proscriptive. Throughout the history of science, there are TONS of things that were not explainable by the laws of physics as understood at the time. If some phenomena can’t be explained by the laws of physics, that doesn’t mean it’s supernatural - it just means that our understanding of the laws of physics was wrong (or, more commonly, simply incomplete). The fact that we cannot come up with a satisfactory explanation for something doesn’t automatically imply that no logical explanation exists.

I'm strangely skeptical of such things for a religious person, and I don't generally believe in such things. That said, I've heard a few credible stories and seen a couple of strange things. I'm not sure how much would be supernatural vs. simply unknown to our current sciences.

For example, in my neck of the woods, we have these "crawlers." Their bodies are about the size of a German shepherd, but with weird, long legs, no fur, and rodent like heads. Nobody's shot one yet to bring back the body, but I've seen them as have a lot of locals. I'm not sure if that qualifies as supernatural though, they're probably just some unknown beastie.
Usually with these stories, the culprit ends up being a mangy bear or coyote or something similar. The long limbs, lack of fur, and rodent-like face all track with that; the true body shape of many animals are normally hidden by their fur/feathers, and they can look downright alien when they lose their coat due to disease. If you saw pic related, “bear” probably wouldn’t be your first thought.
 

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