Does Chris realise it was rape?

[FightenGnome]

"Troons"

 

[KaiserC]

I think Chris knows what the did was a horrible crime... had anyone else done it. Chris doesn't see himself as a normal person. His entire life, he's been playing make-believe. Of course anyone who rapes his mom is vile scum that should go to jail, but he is no rapist, he's a kind, gentle lover who helped his mom with her depression. She enjoyed it, thus it was justified. "This is all just a misunderstanding", as he said during his arrest.

Most sexual abusers believe such things.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Well he tried to conceal the details to Null so he definitely understands it’s wrong. I don’t know if that extends to understanding it’s rape but it’s somewhere in that ball park.
He did say she was “confused” which could be code for “out of her fucking mind and unable to consent to anything.”

I think he understands that OTHER people would think it was wrong, but that doesn’t mean he thinks it was.

 

[Screaming Mascara]

I think Chris knows what the did was a horrible crime... had anyone else done it. Chris doesn't see himself as a normal person. His entire life, he's been playing make-believe. Of course anyone who rapes his mom is vile scum that should go to jail, but he is no rapist, he's a kind, gentle lover who helped his mom with her depression. She enjoyed it, thus it was justified. "This is all just a misunderstanding", as he said during his arrest.

Most sexual abusers believe such things.

 

[bajagoogoo]

I think it's less about him knowing what he's doing, to him not giving a shit one way or another.

I mentioned this in another post but I believe Chris is a double hit. He's a autistic with severe paraphilic behavioral patterns who's also a complete psychopath.

From the common sings of psychopathic behavior:

• socially irresponsible behavior.
• disregarding or violating the rights of others.
• inability to distinguish between right and wrong.
• difficulty with showing remorse or empathy.
• tendency to lie often.
• manipulating and hurting others.
• recurring problems with the law.

There isn't a single trait Chris hasn't exhibited. There's only so much one can chalk up to autism.

 

[sewergf]

Can you really even understand the gravity of rape if you have no empathy?

That's like asking if a psychopath understands that they've comitted murder. I'm sure Chris understands what he's done in his own deluded ways, and also understands that other people see what he did as wrong.

Bringing him from that first place into our realm of understanding is an impossible task, and if he suddenly did aquire some sense of self awareness or empathy I'm pretty sure he'd just stop breathing.

I hear what you're saying, though a psychopath actively chooses to commit murder. Maybe it's like when a schizophrenic person has an episode and gravely injures someone they love because they are not mentally present at the time. Is Chris actually in there, or has he fallen into his fantasy world completely?

 

[moemoeh]

Chris is dumb enough to believe that he is in a ‘loving relationship’ with a demented elderly woman.

 

[mario if smoke weed]

Chris knew that rape was bad. He had, at the very least, intrusive thoughts regarding rape during the Megan Saga around the time he drew SheCameForCWC. If he was familiar with rape then, he'd be familiar with it now. He should've also known an old lady like Barb cannot consciously consent to sex, as he isn't completely retarded.

 

[RageCageChamp19]

Yes he does but he's so delusional that he doesn't care. Deep inside, he knows that he is an autistic male, that sonichu isn't real and that fucking his dementia ridden mom is wrong. He just ignores those parts because it would be too painful to admit that he was wrong. So he gets crazier by the minute as a coping strategy.

 

[Deborah "Debbie" Grayson]

You have to understand that there are multiple types of wrong we’re dealing with when talking about Chris:

What society/law/world at large think is wrong and what Chris thinks is wrong.

Chris has again and again shown that he thinks he’s super special and he plays solely by his own rules. Chris didn’t think that running Snyder over was wrong in the sense that Snyder is a damn dirty Jew-antagonist that keeps him locked out of a place where he rightfully should be allowed to go so it was an righteous act in his eyes. You see this pattern repeat whenever he gets into trouble with authority: he knows that “the other” sees what he’s doing as wrong, but he justifies it as righteous. Same thing with fucking his mom - he was aware that Null wouldn’t take kindly to it, so he lied. Yet he himself describes it as a loving relationship ordained by god or some shit to himself. It was so good and pure it helped her dementia even!

tl; dr - Chris is fully capable of recognizing something as wrong and illegal but considers himself above/exempt from it. So yes, he on some level realize it was rape in the eyes of “the other” - but not to himself.

The “Chris and The Law”-page on the wiki is a great read to understand this thinking, but since I couldn’t access it, here’s Rogue reading it: https://youtu.be/MlP7dWtUsBI

 

[I raped a dog 2day]

I don’t think he did. We don’t have all the details on Bella and her manipulation of Chris, but we know that him banging his mom was part of her plan and Chris has an extensive history of being easily manipulated by trolls.

 

[slimz]

The question can't be answered in the simple terms it was presented.

We must first take into consideration Chris's "reality".

Does Chris truly believe Sonichu?​

- When you were a very young child you may remember a few moments that you truly believed in something. Think Santa Clause or even a moment where you were playing "Make Believe" and let yourself be overtaken with the experience. That true childlike imagination that we all lose as we age.​

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It is quite possible that Chris never lost that ability to make imagination seem real as a result of many factors​

• His parents enabled his fantasy
• he lived in a world without friends and was forced to play alone
• Lego/vidya games were his only past times
• Need I go on?

Is Incest with his mother a crime In Chris's mind?​

- Growing up in the Chandler household is/was not "normal". Besides being an only child and getting all of the attention, Chris is 'special' and required much more 'special' attention. Barb has always been overly affectionate toward him. Once Bob died this was reinforced even further.​

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Chris may believe that while Incest is wrong, his case is different, he is special and the special relationship between a mother and their lesbian transwoman Sonichu is not the same as other peoples familial relationships (and to be clear it probably isn't).​

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I don't know exactly what is going on in his head but between the items brought up above and the years of poor nutrition and living with the feces of dogs/cats and pests, I would think that his mind is addled. The parasites alone could be enough to cause irrevocable damage to his brain.

 

[Jack Awful]

I think Chris is pure coomer id and will just do anything for instant gratification with no concern for anything or anyone else, and even himself.

Maybe it crosses his mind a little that what he's doing is wrong, but it's drowned out by thoughts of how good it feels and how bad he wants it.

 

[cow-wannabe]

I'm not sure. There are way too many unknowns.

One of the horrifying things that came up in conversation with a friend who is a psych nurse is that it's possible, if Barb is suffering from dementia, that she made the first move. Dementia patients can become inappropriately sexual with family members, and it is possible CWC misread this as actual consent because he's a complete tard. She touches him sexually. He thinks she's flirting. It keeps happening so CWC decides to escalate it (even buying a book to help him out).

This has to be one of the worse possibilities because it means CWC was groomed by Barb's dementia and Barb was groomed in response by CWC's retardation.

If that does turn out to be the honest and true explanation for what actually happened, then I tell you one thing. That Caretaker bloke is going to pissed off because his six-hour magnum opus on the horror of dementia has just been knocked off the top spot by a single Discord screencrap.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I think Chris is pure coomer id and will just do anything for instant gratification with no concern for anything or anyone else, and even himself.

Maybe it crosses his mind a little that what he's doing is wrong, but it's drowned out by thoughts of how good it feels and how bad he wants it.

Chris has only ever thought of the world and his relationship with everything in it by terms that only apply to him. He has always believed that he is the protagonist of the story and this was not helped by the world bending over backwards to benefit him in ways others couldn't (due to in large part factors he probably couldn't even comprehend today, like the staff of MHS being sick of dealing with him and his parents and wanting them all gone immediately). As such, while he is capable of understanding right and wrong, he believes himself to be above basic morality so long as it benefits him. The few brushes he's had with reality until now were largely avoided and as people have been saying, he thinks being arrested is a trivial matter and that he'll get bailed out by mommy dearest or otherwise divine intervention of Godbearjesus.

Now he's not only been in jail for weeks, but he also was straight up prevented from going to Everfree Northwest. Hell, the G5 Pony trailer dropped and only further confirms its still happening despite Chris demanding it not to 'save the timeline' or whatever. I can only wonder what his mental state is as he's had multiple delusions shattered in quick succession, a constant in-his-face reminder that he's not all that special in the end after all.

 

[Barley]

No. And, even if he did, he wouldn't mind. He always feels justified in his wrongdoings.

To clarify: he didn't exactly have a problem with lack of consent or even with the concept of rape in the past, remember the Megan talk after the drawing? The attitude towards other girls through all these years?
What he did to Barb might be a lot of things but, to him, rape and/or abuse just wasn't between those things.

 

[doomlad]

I think it's less about him knowing what he's doing, to him not giving a shit one way or another.

I mentioned this in another post but I believe Chris is a double hit. He's a autistic with severe paraphilic behavioral patterns who's also a complete psychopath.

From the common sings of psychopathic behavior:

• socially irresponsible behavior.
• disregarding or violating the rights of others.
• inability to distinguish between right and wrong.
• difficulty with showing remorse or empathy.
• tendency to lie often.
• manipulating and hurting others.
• recurring problems with the law.

There isn't a single trait Chris hasn't exhibited. There's only so much one can chalk up to autism.

I outright disagree with the last line. Autism is a wide, poorly understood spectrum. I know many people who are clearly autistic who do not exhibit almost any directly comparable traits. Most of them are asexual, implying the part of their brain that controls sexual attraction is crippled. Some of them are completely cold and hate any sort of physical contact with people, meanwhile a couple of them are extremely over-aggressive with touch and will randomly run up to strangers to try and squeeze them with hugs.

It's not out of the question or even unlikely that he has some really weird combination of defects like:

• The part of his brain that controls sexuality is functional enough to still have a strong sex drive but crippled enough to be attracted to his family members.
• The part of his brain that controls social inhibitions is completely crippled, despite still having enough social functionality to lie to bother lying.
• The part of his brain that controls self image is crippled enough to think he is essentially a goddess, but no so crippled that he has no self image at all.
• The part of his brain that controls empathy / compassion is functional enough to care about inanimate objects but too crippled to care about other people at all.

I get the point that his behavior is so fucked up and unconventional looking for an autist to hand-wave it all away with autism, but I see absolutely no good reason not to think of him as just a severe, low functioning autist that appears to be higher functioning because he can speak in semi-coherent sentences.

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

Chris doesn't know it was rape because he didn't understand Dementia.

When he attended several classes for caring for elderly dementia patients at his local hospital. (youtube archive) He in typical Chris Chan fashion turned the whole experience into about himself, and about how he had dementia. He applied what he learned to his way of thinking and used it in several instances to explain why he did certain things, forgot things, said things, etc. He didn't truly understand what it meant for Barb to have dementia. With Chris' level of delusion and craziness, nigger thinks he can punch through the dry wall in his bathroom to break the 4th wall and enter toonland to morph into a recolored hedgehog pokemon setsy woman and fuck cartoons, it'll be hard to prove in court that he understood what it meant for barb to have dementia.

It's very obvious barb has dementia and she's been degrading fast, so even if she did consent, she legally cannot consent because she has dementia. She could think chris is bob, hell she could think chris is her boyfriend from when she was 16, or she could think chris is her dead grandmother. Whatever the case from what we can gather by the details he shared she had some small moments of clarity and tried to stop him or was uncomfortable but I doubt she ever was in the frame of mind to truly know her son was fucking her.

I doubt chris knew it was rape, he will never believe it was rape, he will forever believe it was consensual. We're talking about a retard after 20 years of being fucked with on the internet was still meeting with children under the belief they were going to produce him a movie with triple A video effects about fucking sonichu. That these children were going to help him taze himself so he could dragon ball z charge up his powers and transform into a god. The fucking idiot is retarded. He will never learn, he can never learn, and he will never understand truly just how horrific the thing he did was.

Um, Okay, last uh, last f- Last three Wednesdays I've uh, been attending a care-giving classes over at the Martha Jefferson. Uh, to help- To expand my mind on uh, care-giving for my mom around here and there. That was good, I have definitely learned a lot in my noggin' and I have paper materials to help out with that. Among which a few of the highlights, uh, definitely learned more about uh, dementia and that being the umbrella term for all the mental conditions and what not.

 

[Pappy Striderite]

the chat with null answered the 1st part of this clearly.
chris said he doesn't care about labels anymore. he knows right from wrong and heard a quote in an anime about taboos that he decided sounds smart.

for me the question becomes, does he understand that these acts of incest were also rape?

absolutely, but he seems to think this is normal. he didn't hesitate saying "she said no". he was speaking to a woman and thought nothing of sharing the "no" and that it hurt her. he saw it as a bragging point that his skills overcame it by being persistent n firm with her.

this issue looks to parallel r/incels debating the difference between rape, date rape, or raping a spouse.
i bet chris would think "i wasn't hiding in the bushes wearing a mask."

it doesn't matter though does it?
we have fun with it as a thought exercise, yeah.
but, when his judge n jury join it with us, it won't effect his punishment. if it doesn't begin in a straitjacket it will go there almost immediately. it will take him a night at the most to realize this isn't an all girls private school full of gal-pals. the seroquel and ativan have probably already begun.

 

[KungPowChimkum]

He doesn't understand the concept of rape 100%
But he has a tacit (and uncannily vague) compass of what is right and wrong.

He knew that telling Null would get him in trouble, so he never gave away the identity of the older sweetheart he was fucking
BUT he felt it was ok to tell Bella because she was endorsing him

Like an infant, Chris will assume things that are convenient for him are "right" as long as he receives the proper external stimuli. Small infants as young as 3 are capable enough of quickly asserting if an action they do will trigger a positive or negative reaction from an adult. Chris follows this to a T, which is common with high functioning autists.

However, considering we're talking about Chris (the guy that got Idea Guy planting the notion of an extended universe, where all his drawings and musings are real), he would definitely set himself on a positive loop to see the action of having sex with his mom as something "good for HIM", and that last part is crucial. He felt it right, so it must be right, right? Prosecutors would see this as low hanging fruit and will grill Chris with this idea alone, unti it sticks and gets Chris behind bars.

TLDR: he didn't fully grasp it was rape, but he knew it was wrong.